steven s
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join:2002-09-14
Dearborn, MI | Who cares?
I am getting so sick of all of this VoIP News!! ARG! |
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Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting | Oh I do Declare! The single most important event in the broadband industry that happened today being posted to a website about broadband. The nerve of these people..... |
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tunes
join:2002-01-31
Grosse Ile, MI
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I care. I means that a blossoming industry won't be prematurely saddled with unrealistic regulatory expenses. It means that I can continue to receive all of my communications through one wire. It means that I get to continue using a service that I find both inexpensive and reliable. |
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Mellow
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join:2001-11-16
Salisbury, MD
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 ·Cavalier Telephone
1 edit | Go get em jeff!
"AT&T and other providers are waiting for a ruling on how much they have to pay telcos when their VoIP traffic bumps bumps into the PSTN."
thought you might wanna fix that karl. Unless your a B2k fan?
I hope that fcc does take their time ruling on Voip. All we need now is for them to tax it like they want to do to everything else. |
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glmclell
join:2000-10-17
Manistee, MI
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|  while it lasts...
congrats to Jeff and his supporters
I think voip over the internet is great and am eagerly experimenting with it now.
but the government will eventually give into the demands of the telco's, as the telco still has a few cards up their sleeve they have yet to play
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reelbigfish
join:2002-06-06
Boston, MA
·Comcast
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| since some providers do go over the PSTN network, those providers to have a right to charge since it is thier equitpment. I mean, POTS service isn't going away anytime soon. Not until everybody gets broadband, and that is still taking it's sweet time. Also, your need a good provider. Some only give 128kbps upload, and sometimes people don't even get that. As for small business, in most cases it costs less for a few lines than VoIP. For larger companies it makes sense. This is only the beginning of what will be a slow process that is going to get very ugly. |
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GNXPower
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join:2003-12-18
Huntington Beach, CA
1 edit | Maybe then Vonage can quit with the junk fees.
For crying that they aren't a traditional telecom, they sure charge the junk fees like they are.
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Aggie Dan
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join:2001-01-30
Frisco, TX
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Re: Who cares?
This is not a victory for those VoIP companies that provide a complete replacement for POTS lines.
This means that if you are calling from one computer to another computer purely over the internet, then it will be free. In other words stuff like chat clients with voice abilities are still free. As are hardware solutions like FWD.
But, if you are calling a mobile or land line number using this service via someone like Vonage then you still have to wait for a new FCC ruling.
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
| reply to reelbigfish
Re: while it lasts...
Well, what if I've already paid my local service bill and am only making local calls to a VoIP gateway? Shouldn't I get the same rate if I'm calling a local VoIP switch in unit 4 of an office building that I get if I'm calling a lawyer in unit 3 of the same building? Otherwise, isn't the price differential just plain anti-competitive surcharging?
Your attitude seems to be that the local telco gets to charge whatever it wants for its bottleneck access to the rest of the world. I suppose you also support access charges for long distance, even though they are several times the cost of providing the connection to LD carriers?
Calvoiper
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Cod
join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC
1 edit | reply to GNXPower
Re: Maybe then Vonage can quit with the junk fees.
yup, broadbandreports wouldn't dare think of reporting that though... |
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Karl Bode
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join:2000-03-02 | No?
»Fighting the Fee
»Vonage drops rates |
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GNXPower
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join:2003-12-18
Huntington Beach, CA
| No wait Karl...I thought your were dubbed by Boogie as the official Teletruth kiss-ass  Now Vonage. Dual citizenship.
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Karl Bode
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join:2000-03-02 | "bias" is a claim of the intellectually stunted who are too lazy to actually argue issues.... |
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ParanoiaInc
join:2002-08-28
Tucker, GA | That is surprising!
So, does this mean the VoIP providers do not have to provide 911 service and also are not charged with traditional federal & state connection and use fees? |
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skrupowies
join:2002-08-22
Wallingford, CT
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| Is no regulation a good thing?
Things like 911, repair intervals, battery backup during power outages, etc are there because the Telcos are required to provide them. In other words -- they are regulated. Right now cable companies and presumably VOIP providers will not have to provide those services. Where will you be when the power goes out and you don't have a phone? Who are you going to complain to when your phone doesn't work for 2 weeks? Or worse, how is the fire department or ambulance going to find you when your provider doesn't hve to provide 911 information?
Just my $0.02 worth. |
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GNXPower
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join:2003-12-18
Huntington Beach, CA | reply to Karl Bode
Re: Maybe then Vonage can quit with the junk fees.
Boogie bias?!? Say it ain't so. |
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jljohn0605
join:2002-12-30
Arabi, LA
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Re: while it lasts...
RBOCs want the ruling too. They have already started deploying VOIP and if the ruling is to keep hands off all of it then they will only have VOIP. The RBOCS will be free of regulation and POTS as you know it today will not exsit. Also, they will not have to resell it to the CLECS. Don't be fooled, the RBOCS will be a BIG winner!!! |
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natter
join:2000-12-18
Littleton, CO | A nice lawsuit
A nice lawsuit from someone that died because they had no E911 service will quickly reverse this. |
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Wall9
Tell Me, Did You See It Too?
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join:2002-06-25
Dupo, IL
2 edits | Should a case like that ever come up, I'd very much hope that the judge would throw it out. It's very clear when you sign up what you're in for concerning 911 and how it works compared to POTS.
Anyone sorry enough to even try only furthers the notion that in this day and age, everybody is looking for someone to blame for their own stupidity. (Atleast in this country) |
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Karl Bode
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join:2000-03-02
Host:
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Re: while it lasts...
It's really going to be akin to a WWF cage match.
The states aren't exactly wimps, and fresh from their likely loss of potential broadband tax they're going to want cash from somewhere....
Plus you've got the FBI eager to regulate ALL VoIP providers in an era where national security seemingly trumps everything from the bill of rights to logic....
This battle will be more like a political gang-war than a reasoned process I think. As with all politics, my guess is the wealthiest will come out on top. |
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