damascene
join:2000-07-13
Brooklyn, NY | its a good idea
its a good idea. similar to googles thing. target ppl |
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bmn
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Premium,ExMod 2003-06
join:2001-03-15
hiatus
1 edit | Buzz word...
There's that magically bux word. innovate...
quote:
According to Tom Galvin, VeriSign's vice president of government relations, opposition to the project comes from "an ideological belief by a narrow section of the technological community who don't believe you should innovate the core infrastructure of the Internet."
So breaking internet protocols like SMTP, etc. in an effort to boost your profits is what's considered innovation ? I'm starting to get the feeling that commercializing some parts of the internet wasn't a good idea. Verisign's job should have been given to a non-profit group.
I'm just glad most ISPs have patched their name servers to block sitefinder because Verisign can take their standards busting innovation and shove it.
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Camelot One
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join:2001-11-21
Sarasota, FL
clubs: | Agreed. This is just stupid. |
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NewLife
Just Keep Swimming, Just Keep Swimming
join:2001-07-31
Calhoun, GA
 ·AT&T Southeast
 ·Comcast
| See again thats what happens..
See if someone gets too much power they start doing stupid shit like this. I believe that there needs to be at least 3 organizations in charge of the domain name system. They should all be equal companies and they should not be allowed to buy out, merge, or in any other fashion become a whole entity which would then put it right back into the same shape. When it comes to doing something like this all 3 companies should have to agree before the implementation is allow to take place.
I mean on the web there are enough ads that people have to deal with. The last thing they need is a portal to be redirected to if they type one wrong letter in. In turn that portal is nothing more than a ad ladened site that they have to contend with.
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morbo
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·Charter Pipeline
·AT&T Southwest
|  prepare to be sued verisign...
consider this your warning verisign: if you enter me into ANY CONTRACT (read: your crappy, site finder catch 22 tos) without my permission i will file a small claims suit against your company for the maximum allowable amount in that venue.
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GNXPower
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join:2003-12-18
Huntington Beach, CA | ICANN Needs to smack the bitch up
And strip Verislime of their position. |
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Roundboy
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join:2000-10-04
Drexel Hill, PA | .f
80% of how many people? and WHICH people?
I'm sure the people that benifited from the redirection voted a large YES to that question...
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GNXPower
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join:2003-12-18
Huntington Beach, CA | reply to bmn
Re: Buzz word...
Agreed, greed is hardly innovation. |
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blips
join:2001-04-17
Addison, IL | reply to Roundboy
Re: .f
They left out the last part:
80% of the people WHO ARE STOCK HOLDERS IN VERISIGN think it is a good idea. |
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RoguePimp
join:2001-01-31
Phoenix, AZ | Can you say Monopoly?
Come on...they are using their dominance in the field to push their own personal agenda! Why should you be forwarded to Verisign's own search site and not Yahoo or Google. They are force feeding you their product. What a load of crap! |
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dgilbert
Good Bye My Friend
Premium,MVM
join:2002-06-15
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clubs: | yeah right!
what group of people did they poll? only way i can think of them getting 84% of users to like it is if they either polled their own employees or a bunch of AOL users! |
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Anon | reply to morbo
Re: prepare to be sued verisign...
said by morbo  :
consider this your warning verisign: if you enter me into ANY CONTRACT (read: your crappy, site finder catch 22 tos) without my permission i will file a small claims suit against your company for the maximum allowable amount in that venue.
They shaking.. oh wait wait not et.. oh oh there we go they started shaking. 
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gwion
wild colonial boy
Premium,ExMod 2001-08
join:2000-12-28
Pittsburgh, PA
1 edit | Noooooo... but sorta close...
... they should say, "the vast majority of the 20% of users, from among the ten percent who don't curse as soon as the redirect comes up and leave, who actually stick around the site long enough to answer the poll, like this.
They fail to mention the 80% of us who don't fill in any surveys or forms, who don't go more than a page deep after getting a redirect, and who just get angry and leave...
That, and it's an abuse of the DNS system and their trust as its administrators; that's the nutshell edition, case closed. Even if 100% of users like it, it isn't "right". It's as if Bush gave me a position as logistics director in Iraq, and I promptly started running my own taxi, shipping and transport operation out of the motor pool, and posting 4x8' ads for it on ammo trucks... at that point, issue's no longer whether or not the Iraqis are pleased with my services, the question's whether I have any business running a private operation and using my position to promote and subsidize it.
They're just plain wrong. There's something called "Google" for those sites that just don't come up when you type 'em in... just like there's always the Baghdad phonebook for that shipping firm.
Not only that, but it reflects harshly on Verisign. If they're that desparate for funding, then maybe they're not fiscally competent for infrastructure responsibilities to be entrusted to them? Or if they don't need it, but are planning to take trust responsibility for internet infrastructure, then abuse that for their own profit, maybe they're not ethically responsible enough to be entrusted with infrastructure respponsibilities???
PS- "...an egg." Hmm... now, excuse me a moment, while Lt. Minderbinder and I discuss this a bit...  that's some catch, that Catch - 22...
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Anon | Hmm I rather have them redirect to google  That be kick ass
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filmtvdp
join:2004-02-09
Rancho Palos Verdes, CA
| reply to damascene
Re: its a good idea
said by damascene :
its a good idea. similar to googles thing. target ppl
Yes, it is a good idea, but ONLY as a profit making hijack scheme for VeriSign.
First, unless you are already "locked" onto a site, very few of us ever get a 404 error. Most times, the re-direct will go to a search engine the OS has tucked away in the registry by one of the vendors who have an interest in having you use their search tool.
The difference in the way that VeriSign was doing it, was they would hijack your Web stats, making your visitor logs virtually useless.
I tried several times to contact them about this "problem", but never received a reply to my emails or phone calls. I finally had my attorney contact them, and their response to him was that in the future, they would have a commercial "add-on" that I could subscribe to (not free), that would give me my accurate originating site visitor stats.
So why would I want to pay for something I get for free now? Even when a person Googles my Web sites, I get the pass through stats, with VeriSign, all I saw was the VeriSign hijack. This is why a lot of ISPs and Web hosts were complaining.
They have much more of an agenda than just collecting ad revenue off of the redirect page.
Absolute power corrupts and absolute power always corrupts absolutely.
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72276539
Premium
join:2001-01-19
Atlanta, GA
| Wonder what the question was they asked
84%.. wow, maybe it was:
"Which do you think was better, Verisign further improving your surfing choices when a typing mistake was made or the World Trade Center attacks by Al-Queda?"
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koitsu
Premium
join:2002-07-16
Mountain View, CA
| reply to bmn
Re: Buzz word...
You should try applying for a job with them. I speak from experience -- definitely the most uncomfortable, unrealistic, and literal BIZARRE screening+interview I've ever done. VS is truly a very VERY strange, awkard, and downright WEIRD company (in the most literal sense of the word). The best analogy I can give you is the Twilight Zone.
It's funny; had I gotten the job, the first two question out of my mouth would've been 1) "So which jackass came up with SiteFinder?", and 2) "And who gave the order to deploy it without consulting the entire Internet -- and at bare minimum, NANOG -- first?"
NXDOMAIN, here we go again...
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elboricua
El Subestimado
Premium
join:2001-08-12
Bronx, NY | Hopefully BIND will have a permanent patch
I hope BIND has make some sort of permanent patch to stop crap like this.
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keyboard5684
join:2001-08-01
Youngsville, PA
 ·Teliax VOIP
 ·WestPAnet Inc.
·WestPAnet Inc. CA..
| They have. They came out with fixes for this right after Verisign implemented it to begin with.
Version 9.2 and up I believe support this.
There are also patches available...
»www.isc.org/
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zone "com" {
type delegation-only;
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zone "net" {
type delegation-only;
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Varangian
join:2002-12-08
Collinsville, IL |  Innovation//
If strewing these trash ads across my screen instead of a nice "404" is innovation, then I need to enter the versign ceos home and spray paint "Eat Mo' Chocolate: across his plasma tv screen. |
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