DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey | reality kicks in
Verizon actually fiqured out what people said 5 or 6 yrs ago. This will only be a metro area thing anyway.
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tonekilla
Pipe Dreams
Premium
join:2003-07-26
Gunnison, MS
clubs: | atleast its progress..
or is this just some more of their worthless bullshit to keep them in the headlines? |
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rit56
join:2000-12-01
New York, NY
| business is business
I like the bit where he evaded the part about opening their lines to competitors. As far as I'm concerned if they keep getting tax breaks like they do and if we are still forced to pay the Universal Slush Fund then they should be made to allow competitors to use the lines. Their using public funds so we should benefit. |
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Rothan Tik
Premium
join:2000-11-07
Danvers, MA | sweet mother of mystery...
as long as they actually do it, I gots no problems... |
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BranTON
@optonline.net
| -= As long as it will work =-
I don't care about what they say etc, but when they actualy start hookin' up and putting their things to reality then the words will have a meaning backed by the results.
Although, they said a while back that they will improve their DSL and I think they did to some point. So who knows... |
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JohnA
Premium
join:2003-09-16
Pittsburgh, PA
| reply to rit56
Re: business is business
Sharing has been the whole drawback to Verizon fiber. Cable is not forced to share their lines and they do digital telephone on them. If you step back and look at Verizon's competition, you can't hardly expect them to make that kind of investment, just so someone else can use it to sell their service, over their lines, with someone else's brand name on it, like they're forced to do with POTS. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD | believe it when you see it
"-- we can't do any of that acceleration unless we have clear guidelines."
How about this guideline:
If you don't get off your @ss to reach more customers with faster speeds and better service, you will be buried by cable. |
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boogie74
join:2001-06-19
Neenah, WI
clubs:
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Re: business is business
said by rit56  :
I like the bit where he evaded the part about opening their lines to competitors. As far as I'm concerned if they keep getting tax breaks like they do and if we are still forced to pay the Universal Slush Fund then they should be made to allow competitors to use the lines. Their using public funds so we should benefit.
USF doesn't pay for this. Further, tax breaks go to pretty much ALL companies- regardless of the industry- for many reasons. This does not have anything to do with the sharing of networks at all.
I think that we should all get a free car from every auto-manufacturer since they get tax breaks for meeting emissions standards. Afterall, they're using "public money" to make products and market them.
I also think that since YOU own a home and I only rent- and YOU get a tax break for owning a home and I don't, I should get to move in with you rent free! Afterall, you're using MY tax dollars to do whatever you please with and I'm not getting anything from the deal!
PLEASE! Give it up. Amazing how the "anti-competitive" lawsuits have stopped coming from groups like Voices For Choices and C.A.L.L.S. (front groups for AT&T). Could that have anything to do with the fact that all 50 states now have the major RBOC able to sell long distance?
It's time for companies to compete now folks. Bitching about a "broken" promise from 1993 isn't gonna get you anywhere.
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bilbo4fun
Premium
join:2002-02-18
Camden, SC
 ·Windstream
| I can't compete
Hi All,
I am a local ISP and sell DSL service. Verizon doesn't sell it here. Verizon charges me $37.50 per line 768/128 higher speeds are more. I still have to pay for my Internet bandwidth and equipment along with a frame-relay line, router etc. to them for DSL. Open up their lines??, give me a break. They will eventually come to this market and offer $29.99 a month DSL service. How can I compete? The telco's do what they want and we subsidize them??
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clecrupt9
join:2002-01-22
GA
| Its the Right Move
Verizon moving to a "broadband" company is the right thing. The Bells are anti-competitive, so it should come as no surprise that we will probably only see Fiber to the house when the Gov deregulates the industry.
Personally I think Cable will seriously hurt these companies for the next 5 years. The strategy of competing against the Gov instead of competitng for customers, won't work in this new environment.
The Bell here claims it wants slow, steady, growth...and in 1965 that would be fine. What they cant see is that the industry is changing and will change with or without them. Not a drop of sympathy from me, other than to the people who don't understand that they need to be looking for another job, and are layed off.
Its one thing to have new competition, its another to have competition from a company with millions of existing customers. We should thank the Cable companies for finally putting these companies in check- should the cable company be able to execute. |
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clecrupt9
join:2002-01-22
GA
1 edit | reply to bilbo4fun
Re: I can't compete
As long as that loop is owned by them, you can forget trying to play the game by their rules. And the sad part is that VZ has LD because they meet the "opening of the lines" requirement for 271 relief. Perhaps the Gov could begin looking at taking that away if a bell now is anti competitive. |
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clecrupt9
join:2002-01-22
GA
| reply to tonekilla
Re: atleast its progress..
Depends, Ivan (ceo)may actually be serious. If it were any other Bell, I'd say its BS. Until there is no competition we won't see FTTH. Bell employees have public stated this is what they would like. But again Verizon appears to be somewhat more futuristic, for lack of a better word. I can't help but think of PA though. |
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clecrupt9
join:2002-01-22
GA | reply to JohnA
Re: business is business
Well, I hope that since 96 won't be enough, maybe massive market decline from cable will force the Bells to do something- Fiber or wireless. |
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs:
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Re: reality kicks in
said by DaveNJ :
Verizon actually fiqured out what people said 5 or 6 yrs ago. This will only be a metro area thing anyway.
That's how companies work. They wait a number of years for a good idea to fester and then they implement it. (This is assuming that they actually hold true to the promises.)
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gpancner
join:2001-09-27
Nine Mile Falls, WA | reply to clecrupt9
Re: I can't compete
new govt. regulations have freed the local phone companies from the requirement to share their lines if they rebuild their systems and put fiber-optics in. If they continue to use copper instead of fiber, they are required to share their lines. |
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lesopp
join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL
| reply to boogie74
Re: business is business
Regarding tax breaks, I know for a fact that Verizon off-shores to India which means they are playing in a global economy. Since they and any others involved in off-shoring are benefitting at the expense of American tax payers any and all tax breaks should stop immediately. Furthermore they should receive equal treatment as foreign companies seeking to expand into American.
About infrastructure sharing, the law is what it is until congress changes it or the courts declare it unconstitutional.
So you now admit they broke their promises? |
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs:
 ·Comcast
| reply to bilbo4fun
Re: I can't compete
said by bilbo4fun :
Hi All,
I am a local ISP and sell DSL service. Verizon doesn't sell it here. Verizon charges me $37.50 per line 768/128 higher speeds are more. I still have to pay for my Internet bandwidth and equipment along with a frame-relay line, router etc. to them for DSL. Open up their lines??, give me a break. They will eventually come to this market and offer $29.99 a month DSL service. How can I compete? The telco's do what they want and we subsidize them??
Welcome to world of I payed for it and your leetching off it. They route it to your equipment and they own all the loop. You can't compete. Thats why you should look into something less expensive and more diverse such as wi-fi
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs: | Finally a bell gets "it"
Finally one of the bells understands that there is more then just pots to make a profit on. Welcome to the new millenium Verizon. Hopefully the rest of the US will see this as well.
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SBC ST
join:2003-08-05
Strongsville, OH
| Good-bye Catv Co. too???
I think its great for Fiber to finally be brought to the prem virtually ending bandwidth/speed needs and wants. But what will happen? Will telco want to bring in fiber, then Cable Co.? In my area there are 2 competing Cable Co.'s. I wouldn't want 3 or 4 sets of cables on the poles running down the street, much less 2 or 3 terminations on my house from competing data providers. In a perfect world i would think there is enough bandwidth on one piece/set of fiber to enable competing providers with data solutions, to minimize add'l lines wiring going down the street. In an effort to beatify the neighborhood. Wouldn't it be great to look on the poles going down the street, and in your yard and seeing only 2 utilites; power and fiber. Thats it. From my point of view (a telco installer) this would truely be a thing of beauty. |
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SBC ST
join:2003-08-05
Strongsville, OH | reply to clecrupt9
Re: I can't compete
So let me get this straight. You would want the telco to open their lines, real cheap to you, let you resell or provide your own signal over their lines...and fix a rate so that they cannot compete with you. Okey. Makes sense to me. |
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