Flizesh
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cork1958
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Fruitport, MI | Give 'em hell!!
Give 'em hell RIAA. Spend some more of that money that's NOT going to the bands or anybody else's pocket but to your own corporate greedy little palms. Why don't you try and figure a way to sell the music online, legally then? Duh!! A**wipes!! |
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AnonProxy
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| We need HIGH PROFILE downloaders
Imagine if they caught the ACLU downloading or the Whitehouse, or some Senator.
All we need are a few high profile people being revealed by these john doe lawsuits...and I bet they will "go away".
The RIAA won't sue them...they will lose even more creadability, and in the end...it will be very embarassing for them and costly. |
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CO_Chris
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Broomfield, CO
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Re: Give 'em hell!!
I have to agree with cork stop going after people and give more money to the bands and lower the price per song to Hmm maybe 59 cents and then i will stop my downloads for sure and buy the songs i only like. But Till then i will keep doing what i am
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Roundel
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Re: We need HIGH PROFILE downloaders
said by AnonProxy  :
Imagine if they caught the ACLU downloading or the Whitehouse, or some Senator.
All we need are a few high profile people being revealed by these john doe lawsuits...and I bet they will "go away".
The RIAA won't sue them...they will lose even more creadability, and in the end...it will be very embarassing for them and costly.
That Would Be Great, if that happens, it could effectivly ruin the company beyond belief.
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Elfstone
join:2001-11-14
Bayonne, NJ
| reply to AnonProxy
said by AnonProxy :
Imagine if they caught the ACLU downloading or the Whitehouse, or some Senator.
All we need are a few high profile people being revealed by these john doe lawsuits...and I bet they will "go away".
The RIAA won't sue them...they will lose even more creadability, and in the end...it will be very embarassing for them and costly.
...or even better, one of the guys from Metallica.  |
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SKYHN
Lu.. Lu.. Lulululu
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said by AnonProxy :
Imagine if they caught the ACLU downloading or the Whitehouse, or some Senator.
That would almost be better than capturing saddam
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Wills
join:2001-01-03
Port Charlotte, FL
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Everyone holds a grudge against Metallica for essentially starting this whole mess.
Which they did...
But when things started getting heavy the downloaders all asked for a few simple things.
Cheaper CD prices.
Better music.
Did anyone pay attention to Metallica's last album price? It hit the shelves at $10. Sure it sucked to some, but at least the ones that started this are halfway listening to the people and put out a CD at a lower price like you asked for.
You really can't fault them for that. You can fault them for it sucking, but the die hard Metallica fans still went and bought the CD and they bought it for around 33% less than any other new CD that hit the shelves lately.
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starstuff
Fly By Wire
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join:2001-12-05
Mcallen, TX
| Unauthorized tactics...
I have posted before my concerns about the data gathering tactics that the RIAA use. I always thought that there was a potential violation of our civil rights and privacy.
It's like some government agency gets into your home, watches your sister, your mother, your spouse, your grandmother and you take a bath, have dinner, watch tv etc in search for something. After they don't find anything they just leave without you never knowing about it.
I think the RIAA should disclose what tactics they use, who they have surveillance on, how many people they have spied on and their IP addresses. The RIAA should also disclose how many of those people DIDN'T download or upload anything so the can be notified and take the actions that they consider pertinent. Fair is fair. |
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Qumahlin
Never Enough Time
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join:2001-10-05
united state
| said by starstuff :
I have posted before my concerns about the data gathering tactics that the RIAA use. I always thought that there was a potential violation of our civil rights and privacy.
It's like some government agency gets into your home, watches your sister, your mother, your spouse, your grandmother and you take a bath, have dinner, watch tv etc in search for something. After they don't find anything they just leave without you never knowing about it.
I think the RIAA should disclose what tactics they use, who they have surveillance on, how many people they have spied on and their IP addresses. The RIAA should also disclose how many of those people DIDN'T download or upload anything so the can be notified and take the actions that they consider pertinent. Fair is fair.
the RIAA has no way of "spying" on specific IP addresses etc. All they do is have machines sitting on p2p networks downloading specific works and record the ip addresses of where the machines are getting the files from (hence who is uploading the music/movies/etc)
Thats it, they don't watch your internet activity etc
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Jason Levine
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USA
| reply to AnonProxy
Re: We need HIGH PROFILE downloaders
said by AnonProxy :
Imagine if they caught the ACLU downloading or the Whitehouse, or some Senator.
All we need are a few high profile people being revealed by these john doe lawsuits...and I bet they will "go away".
The RIAA won't sue them...they will lose even more creadability, and in the end...it will be very embarassing for them and costly.
I thought the same thing at first. Then I realized what would happen. They'd quickly (and quietly) move to settle the suit (probably for a token amount like $1). The worst PR that the RIAA can get isn't from suing a senator. It's from suing 12 year old girls in the projects or grandmas who can't even run Kazaa. It shows everyone that the RIAA doesn't care who they go after in their quest to supplement falling profits with lawsuit money. (This isn't to say that the uploaders aren't engaging in illegal acts or shouldn't be punished, but the RIAA's tactics are like using a tank to kill a fly buzzing through a crowded street.)
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| reply to Roundel
said by Roundel :
said by AnonProxy :
Imagine if they caught the ACLU downloading or the Whitehouse, or some Senator.
All we need are a few high profile people being revealed by these john doe lawsuits...and I bet they will "go away".
The RIAA won't sue them...they will lose even more creadability, and in the end...it will be very embarassing for them and costly.
That Would Be Great, if that happens, it could effectivly ruin the company beyond belief.
That's wishful thinking. By the very nature of Anon's statement you can rest assured nobody will find out about it. It won't get publicly released. There won't be any legal documents because no lawsuit will be made. Everything will be swept under the rug and nobody will be the wiser. For all we know they already have a list of congressman's children and celebrities who they found sharing files, but either looked the other way in fear of bad publicity or took care of the problem quietly. |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| reply to starstuff
Re: Unauthorized tactics...
Also it's not the methods they use of finding the information that's the issue. If they use unconstitutional methods they would be blasted in trial or counter suits. The main issue here is how they get the names from the IP addresses (previously by extorting ISP's using the DMCA). Now the RIAA will have to make a subpoena for each and every violator they want to sue instead of one giant lump court order. It will be more time consuming, more costly, and less advantageous for the RIAA to litigate in the volume they have been doing. I am predicting less lawsuits in the near future. |
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ks_av8r
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join:2003-09-17
Newton, KS
| I am predicting that they are going to sue themselves out of business. They produce an overpriced, crappy product in a time that the economy is still hurting. So, lets sue people for not buying our overpriced, crappy product. One heck of a business model. I believe it will fail. |
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Oleg
Bellsouth Fastaccess
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join:2003-12-08
Birmingham, AL
| reply to CO_Chris
Re: Give 'em hell!!
said by CO_Chris :
I have to agree with cork stop going after people and give more money to the bands and lower the price per song to Hmm maybe 59 cents and then i will stop my downloads for sure and buy the songs i only like. But Till then i will keep doing what i am
I agree they need to lower prices on cds. I have no problems buying cds, because I am buying tham form BMG music service, but they only have americans cds  |
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starstuff
Fly By Wire
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join:2001-12-05
Mcallen, TX
| reply to Qumahlin
Re: Unauthorized tactics...
said by Qumahlin :
the RIAA has no way of "spying" on specific IP addresses etc. All they do is have machines sitting on p2p networks downloading specific works and record the ip addresses of where the machines are getting the files from (hence who is uploading the music/movies/etc)
If that is the case... and I hope it is, then they should disclose the tactics they use. The RIAA MUST prove that their method of gathering information is secure, accurate and most important... legal.
I understand that Sherman networks the makers of kazza complained/sued the RIAA for using kazza-lite, a pirated version of kazza for their legal? monitoring. I understand that kazza-lite have anti-tracking options/features that could hide users' ip/identity... so why not fake other people identity? If this is the case then the RIAA incurred in the same crimes that they are persecuting.
1. Using pirated software.
2. Hiding themselves behind k-lite to avoid detection.
3a. Monitoring US internet traffic without a court order.
3b. Other countries may have more strict laws regarding this illegal monitoring, that is why they are only suing US users.
Other concerns I have, where and who did the monitoring? Are these trusted people, employees, hackers? Are these people in the US? India? China? Mexico?
As a software developer I'm against any type of piracy but we should obey the laws of the land, and most important have common sense. In this case I see McCarthyism laws, abuses, corporate corruption and greed steering the RIAA boat. |
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BIGMIKE
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Westminster, CA
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| reply to starstuff
Re: Unauthorized tactics...
Actually I think you're mixing two complaints together. Sharman Networks complained about the RIAA hacking Kazaa in order to get the information, thus violating the DMCA. A separate complaint went to the makers of Kazaa Lite for violating the copyrights or patents (don't remember which)of Sharman's baby, Kazaa. |
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jmn1207
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join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA
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Would it be considered spam if I were to send an email to the RIAA requesting authorization to download copyrighted music from some P2P application? Something simple like the following:
Dear RIAA,
Please forward this to the appropriate copyright holder for the song, "Song" by Artist. I am requesting authorization to download this copyrighted title to listen to on my computer and perhaps even burn it to a disk to complete my "Cruising Music" compilation CD. I can only find this song on a CD at the Bend-Ya-Over Music Outlet and it costs $17.99 plus tax. My friend has this CD and I listened to it in his car(I hope that's ok) and decided that I only really enjoyed this one song. The online music services are a bit pricey and pale in comparison to what I currently use to search for music; so, if it's not a bother, I'd prefer to use what I already have.
Thanks a bunch,
Jim
P.S. Why can't Artist make this decision, why do I have to ask you guys? Did you create this song? |
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Lumberjack
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join:2003-01-18
Newport News, VA
| reply to Oleg
Re: Give 'em hell!!
So lets all just STEAL for now, that's OK. It's perfectly just to bust into my neighbors house and take his flat screen TV because they are too EXPENSIVE for me. Oh wait, that's stealing from somebody else and not right.
Fine then, I'll go to the DEALERSHIP to steal my new car because it's so EXPENSIVE and the guy that designed it doesn't get anything. So if I steal from the dealership, that will eventually causes prices to drop. Wow, I feel so morally correct!
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