special13
join:2000-08-17
Brooklyn, NY |  Hell NO!!!
Kiss the Net as you know it goodbye. |
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Nemokrad
join:2002-04-24
Miami, FL | Verisign
I think all of these talks were prompted because of Verisign's domain redirection. To lay it bluntly, they screwed themselves over. |
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Googled
Yay, I have FIOS
join:2001-08-13
Orchard Park, NY | reply to special13
Re: Hell NO!!!
Exactly, hopefully the U.S. will use their veto power to stop this dead in it's tracks. Why should the U.N. have any say in Internet taxation? Sounds like the day of one world government is getting a little closer. |
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Theo2002
join:2002-02-28
Clermont, FL | reply to Nemokrad
Re: Verisign
I hope they do it quickly  Verisign is a bad, bad company. |
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Omega
Displaced Ohioan
Premium
join:2002-07-30
Cheyenne, WY
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| reply to special13
Re: Hell NO!!!
said by special13  :
Kiss the Net as you know it goodbye.
Right you are, this is not good.
The UN won't be able to run the internet, they can barely manage themselves.
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Julio
Bachatero y Que?
Premium
join:2003-03-19
Brooklyn, NY
clubs: | wtf??
if the UN cant even solve world hunger, what makes them think that they can solve internet related issues? |
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avantare
Go Tribe
join:2000-02-16
Farmington, MI
1 edit | Bad Idea...
To blatently plagarize a posting on this same issue from /.
"Bad news.
I am completely against U.N. control of the Internet, because I believe it would lead to censorship. I believe the U.N. would use its power to deny domains to those critical of the U.N., or those who hold unpopular opinions in opposition to the U.N.
Exhibit A is the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. It all sounds pretty good. I think the particularly applicable Article to this case is #19:
Article 19.
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
That sounds to me like one should be able to say whatever one wants over the Internet. i.e., to impart information and ideas through any media.
Now kindly review Article 29, section 3:
(3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
What exactly are the purposes and principles of the United Nations? If I were to try to register 'theUNsucks.com' would they stop me? My right to free speech ends when I exercise that right contrary to the purposes of the U.N. The U.N. holds all kinds of conferences where they condemn racism and sexism. What if I wanted to create a website about the inferiority of a certain race or sex? Would they stop me? Sure, the opinions I express may be wrong, stupid, and unpopular, but popular opinions are those that don't need protecting.
The U.N. will pry control of the Internet from my cold, dead DNS server."
I agree with every word of this posters post and we need to do someting to protest against this as far as I'm concerned.
Chuck |
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cmaenginsb
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-19
Palmdale, CA
| reply to Nemokrad
Re: Verisign
Verisign? Sorry but Verisign (internet domain name registrar) and ICANN are two different companies.
This would be like the city taking over electricity because the water company did something illegal.
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Logan 5
Some people go WAY over the top
Premium,MVM
join:2001-05-25
The WasteLAN
·Pacific Bell - SBC
|  UN = Woodchuck?
Asking the U.N to "run" the internet is like asking how much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
Well, since a woodchuck can't chuck anything (it's a rodent) I guess the U.N. Is S.O.L. if it thinks that it can do a better job than ICANN can.
The UN Should be more worried about if it has a future in this World any longer, rather than focusing on desperation measures to give it something to hold on to as it's present world authority wanes.
Many countries see the UN as a joke, and with stunts like this, it's easy to see why they think the way that they do.... |
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UnKown
The Underground Network
join:2002-09-08
Orlando, FL
·Earthlink Cable Mo..
| reply to special13
Re: Hell NO!!!
i agree the internet should not be regulated by any goverment rather than a public company. by giving control of dns to any goverment we can now face laws charges and taxation. the whole argument over dns is a very touchy one at the least, since no1 owns the internet who actually gets the right to name it? i think the original owners of the internet (and not the military if you know your history) should take control of the dns. |
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KeiferW
Premium
join:2003-05-19
West Plains, MO
| reply to special13
said by special13 :
Kiss the Net as you know it goodbye.
I wouldn't be too concerned. If the UN reacts with the Internet as they reacted to their Embassy getting bombed in Iraq, they'll return Web operations to ICANN the first time a hub goes down...
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The entire earth, and everyone on it, is going to experience Divine Intervention. |
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nonymous
join:2003-09-08
Glendale, AZ | world internet tax
So a world internet tax needs to be set. Who would collect it the UN.
Yes we have 85% of the infrastructure, it mostly works. Build there own and shut up. |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
| Not good
Can you imagine a UN council on the Internet with a rotating chairmen from different countries, With China in control for a time.
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nothing00
join:2001-06-10
Centereach, NY
| reply to Googled
Re: Hell NO!!!
Boy - I'll tell ya, I'd much rather spend my money lining the pockets of some millionaires who's company administers the 'net rather than fork a penny over to the UN.
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DSLDUDE
Got The Folding Farm Itch
Premium
join:2002-01-07
Norcross, GA
clubs: | If it ain't broke.
Another good example of "If it ain't broke, DON'T FIX IT!"
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gruggni
Oxygen Gets You High
join:2003-07-28
Corpus Christi, TX
| hmmm
UN + ICANN = UNICANN
This means before the Iraq website, defaming America, can be taken down, the UN will need to vote on it. Therefore, France and Germany will not help to take down the website. Then the USA and UK will create a website take-down coalition. The initial website attack to disable any firewalls will be called, "Hack and Saw" a parody of "shock and awe." 
I think countries will just end up creating private nets. Thus the internet will be the international means of communications. A country like China will not change, they will keep the rest of the world out their nets. The world will then be divided into a kind of border-net. Not much good will come from the UN having so control. ICANN controls naming. DNS-es just assign names to ip addresses.
A WHAT IF? segment:
Many ISP's have created their own networks. What if, many open networks become closed networks. Similar to AOL's network. The only way to get into an AOL chat room, is thru AOL software with an AOL account. DNS servers will be smaller, ISPs would only keep entries of paid hosts on their network. A huge money making program comes to mind. If you want the world to see your website, you would have to create an account on virtually ever private network, or some website licensing fee to put a site on every network.
wait and see I guess.
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gripenfelter
@swbell.ne | gripenfelter
They gotta find something to control, since the oil for food program in iraq is not bringing them anymore funds. |
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Rock Guitar
join:2001-01-17
Columbus, OH
clubs:
| What has the U.N. done for us lately?
The UN is the most incompetent organization ever devised by mankind.
Handing over the keys to the internet to this third-world dominated mob where there isn't even telephone service or paved roads in some of those countries is giving away the store that the U.S. built.
This should be an easy decision for the Bush administration to kill this idea dead in its tracks.
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
·Optimum Online
|  This is not a bad idea...
...if it is the ITU running the show and not some "new" U.N. agency. The ITU does an excellent job of managing international telecommunications and I have yet to hear any complaints about the routing international phone calls or international radio broadcasting. BTW, the ITU predates the United Nations though it was folded in after the U.N. was formed. An alternate organization might be the Universal Postal Union (UPU) that also predates the U.N. although the only tie-in to "postal" might be e-mail. |
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special13
join:2000-08-17
Brooklyn, NY | reply to gripenfelter
Re: gripenfelter
lol...oh so true. |
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