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Your tax dollars at work.
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| "advocating" quote:
He's obviously trying to avoid backlash by pointing out he's not "advocating" the idea, just putting it out there for consideration.
How about he avoid backlash by not bringing it up at all.
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rit56
join:2000-12-01
New York, NY | oh great the internet version of the Universal Slush Fund. create a huge fund billing us for email and making a huge profit while doing nothing. | |
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anon name
@66.97.x.x | What about the nasty virus What about the virus inviting itself into your address book. Are you going to want to pay the tax on that as it sends itself out to everyone in the kingdom? | |
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Synon29
join:2003-09-13
Cabot, AR
| Re: Why is everyone against this? Well, think about it man. Lets say a hacker hacked into your email account and started sending emails. Guess who would be paying for those emails that are being sent. That's right you. That's what we're talking about here spammers using others accounts to do their damage. It wouldn't cost them anything, it would only cost legitimate businesses and users. That's what everyone is so upset about. | |
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Mordy
Comfortably Numb
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Denver, CO
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| Lemme see...spammers are stealing bandwidth from me and everyone else, so...Let's charge everyone more money!
Not only is the idea insulting, but it will fail for the same reason that spam is hard to stop in the first place...we are in a global society, and the spammers don't live in the US. Collecting taxes, regardless of who is responsible for that absurd bureaucracy, from those who are beyond the reach of US law will be impossible.
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| Pay a penny to whom?
I'm running an email server. My pal Fred is running an email server. I post a message from my PC to my server. My server connects to Fred's server. Fred POPs the message from his server to his PC.
What is the mechanism by which payment is exacted, and to whom?
I am mostly against anything that says "only recognized authorities can operate service X". That is contrary to the networking ethos that I understand.
I also suspicious about whether "email" can be defined in a watertight manner.
Would it make any difference if I started running an entirely different protocol between Fred and I? How would you know whether it's email or not? It's only ones and zeroes. | |
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| Re: Why is everyone against this? said by Nightfall  :
Look at the existing postal mail system we have here.
What, the existing postal mail system that delivers more spam ('bulk mail') than useful content to the mailbox at the end of my driveway? The existing postal mail system that makes a profit from spammers, and the hell with my opinions as owner of the mailbox? | |
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TexasGuy
49 States And Texas
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Houston, TX
| said by dave :
How would you know whether it's email or not? It's only ones and zeroes.
In God we trust.
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not in ohio | Incidentally, if you spin this so that large ISPs decide to charge a penny per email posted through their servers, then that probably answers my objections. However, would that solve the problem? | |
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Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
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Grand Rapids, MI | Re: Why is everyone against this? I have no idea if it would solve the problem...
As I said before, it was just an idea.  | |
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pianotech
Pianotech
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join:2002-12-30
New Castle, PA
| Re: Why is everyone against this? You watch, the days of metered email WILL come, I bet. And so what? What's wrong with attaching a premium to bulk email? It sure would cramp the lifestyle of the Nigerian "help me get my money out of the country" idiots.
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pepperhead
join:2001-10-18
Bowling Green, KY
| What is wrong with it? Well I am on a food email list and I got around 20 emails a day from them. You multiply that times the number of members, then multiply that by 365 day in a year and then by whatever you want to charge per email. I am beginning to see a problem. List people run for hobbies, in their free time are going to start to cost alot more money to run.
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| Alors! Um, is e-mail electronic text? I mean, we could always just modify the protocol, I don't see how they could enforce it. | |
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purplejello
join:2001-08-23
Reno, NV
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| Re: Alors! Good point... Define 'e-mail'. Would it be text sent electronically? Nonbinary data? Would this, due to poor wording, end up inclding instant messages as well? What if the protocol were changed just enough to make this law no longer technically applicable? | |
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Jonny Suave
@167.1.x.x | Heres Johny Just spam the spammer who spams. Dughh | |
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reub2000
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join:2001-12-28
Evanston, IL | The problem. The problem is that any bulk mailing, including a legit newletter will cost the sender a ton. | |
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Jason Levine
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USA
| Re: The problem. Exactly. For example, I believe the readership of Fred Langa's LangaList is a few hundred thousand (completely opt-in, of course). Now suppose a charge of 1 penny per e-mail, that would be a few thousand dollars per mailing. And since he sends out mailings about once a week, he would need to pay a couple hundred thousand a year to operate his mailing list.
But while Fred might have to shut down his legitimate newsletter due to rising costs, Joe Spammer would just hijack a few PCs and use them to send out his mailings on another person's dime.
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major marco
Res Firma Mitescere Nescit
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Stepford, CA
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| Good Intention, Moronic Implementation So Senator KnowNothing from MN thinks a tax is going to stop spammers - I've got a couple questions for him. 1 - What happens when the perpetrators of spam move their servers off shore to another country not subject to the tax? and 2 - A piddly little tax will not hurt bulk spammers, it will hurt the rest of us using email legitimately. Case in point - take one look at snail mail junk. These people buy postage in bulk so even if you do return the postage paid envelope empty to them it's no big deal because the junk mailer paid less than a penny for the postage.
Realistically speaking, imposing taxes on email will do nothing to stem the tide of spam - it's too far gone for simplistic measures to have any kind of effect. The remedy lies in creating more sophisticated filters to catch spam.
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damox
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Olympia, WA
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redblkjck
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join:2001-11-07
Sanford, NC
| non-sense add on Next thing you will see them creating a mandatory email address and banish anything else. The same people will make it your SSN@state.gov
Until someone clamps down on the marketing companies and firms that are paying the marketing companies it's just going to get worse. You wouldn't have all this spam if there wasn't any money in it.
Just wait till it gets closer to election time. The candidates will be spamming your in-box promising to rid the internet of spam.
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joako
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| Who pays How exactly do they keep track of who sends email? Who pays? The company that owns the server? The sender? The recipient? How do all the ISP's keep track of this? How about emails sent from outside the US to Americans? Is there an import tariff the receiver must pay? | |
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Synon29
join:2003-09-13
Cabot, AR
1 edit | Re: Who pays Lol good point. Fortunately, I think enough people will realise that this is just a pathetic attempt to get more taxpayer money. So we won't ever get to the point where we have to worry about all that. | |
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pepperhead
join:2001-10-18
Bowling Green, KY
| Nothing is worse than a guy who buys his seat This would kill many legitimate email list. There are car, cooking, computer and many other lists. Not many people are going want to run the list if they start getting taxed every time they send out a email. It doesn't surprise me that Senator Mark Dayton, a guy who came from money, would put forth such a out of touch idea.
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bolt
Former Broadband Exile
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Charlestown, IN
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| Tasty Spam My current ISP has spam filtering installed on the mail servers. I have my Spamstopper set on "high". I get a report every 2 weeks of how many messages it has blocked as well as headers for the blocked messages. My last report was that it had blocked 4326 messages. Yes that's over four thousand messages. In 2 weeks. God, I'm sick of spam.
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FastiBook
join:2003-01-08
Newtown, PA | What the $#@& Who in their right mind would tax email or anything to do with the internet? Whats next taxing of IMs? Why dont they just make it illegal already! I mean wow! What kind of pinhead thinks these things up? | |
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TexasGuy
49 States And Texas
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join:2002-12-02
Houston, TX
| Re: What the $#@& said by FastiBook :
What kind of pinhead thinks these things up?
Only those whom you vote into the office. Simple as that.
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