kaisa
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Glen Ellyn, IL
clubs:  | IRC trading
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even more traders fleeing to newsgroups and IRC
IMO It'll take the RIAA forever to start cracking down on IRC users...thats where file trading is going to go. |
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Omega
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Cheyenne, WY
clubs: | IRC...the best
I am sticking to IRC for my movie downloads. |
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ObdH
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|  said by Omega  :
I am sticking to IRC for my movie downloads.
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Xtract
join:2003-04-25
Etheria
| reply to kaisa
Re: IRC trading
There are two solutions left that can render a user "still safe".
Multiple privatized networks, or distributed proxying. The RIAA can not hold someone liable for being a proxy for the content that transfers through their machine, but is never stored. If they did, then they could hold ISP's who own routers responsible.
If you're a member of a few privatized networks, you could share your content on those networks. You can choose which "networks" to be a part of, and the network owner can establish a login for you on that network. If a file you want is not on your network, the peers on your network will ask the people on their networks if that file is available, and then proxy the information to you. Kind of complex, but other then compromised IRC hosts, thats really the only way to stay safe. |
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azinator
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Alma, AR | What about TV Shows..??
what are they going to do about downloading and sharing tv shows that have already been broadcasted?....it's just like recording it on tape or tivo or any other recordable device.. |
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dave
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| reply to Xtract
Re: IRC trading
said by Xtract :
If they did, then they could hold ISP's who own routers responsible.
Oh, I'm no lawyer, but I'd guess it's fairly easy to make a case that a proxy operating on top of layer 4 is content-aware in a way that a router operating at layer 3 cannot possibly be aware. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
 ·Comcast
| reply to azinator
Re: What about TV Shows..??
said by azinator :
what are they going to do about downloading and sharing tv shows that have already been broadcasted?....it's just like recording it on tape or tivo or any other recordable device..
there is nothing they can do about shows already broadcast and recorded, but they have the "broadcast flag" for future shows |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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Erie, PA
| Bittorrent?
Has anyone actually seen a letter stating that bit-torrent was a target? In that thread (the last time I read it) someone just jumped on and said "I got a letter for using Bit-torrent" without even a copy, paste of the actual letter. If there is someone please point me to the thread.
I find it hard to believe that they are going after BT users, unless it was somebody running a tracker that got the letter.
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pnh102
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| Much Better Approach
I like this approach much better than the RIAA's sue-you-till-you're-dead approach. These kinds of letters at least inform you if you didn't know already that what you're doing is wrong, and gives you a chance to stop doing it before you really do get in trouble. While the tone of the letter may be a bit callous, its certainly a much better thing to receive than a summons for a court appearance.
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Xtract
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Etheria
| reply to dave
Re: IRC trading
But if a person uses multiple proxies, how could you hold the person accountable? They're not sharing the file, but rather just directing traffic to a desired host. Regardless of the layer, even routers can be programmed to filter for certain content (port blocking).
The charges brought against these users are for sharing files that are stored on their own computer. It would take a whole new set of legislation to try a case like this and win. |
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Jason Levine
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USA
| reply to pnh102
Re: Much Better Approach
said by pnh102 :
While the tone of the letter may be a bit callous, its certainly a much better thing to receive than a summons for a court appearance.
Actually, I think these letters are more of a precursor to a court appearance. If you get this letter then it means that the RIAA has already caught you (or claims to have caught you) trading in pirated songs. Comcast is just informing you so you can delete any illegal copies you have, protest the release of your personal information, and/or contact a lawyer. Otherwise, your first indication would be the papers arriving summoning you to court.
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broknsymetry
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| This was NOT the RIAA
As noted in the Comcast HSI thread, this was not from the RIAA. The person who received the letter had downloaded a copy of an anti-virus program that he wished to try out and then removed the prog from his pc when he decided not to use it. Apparently the program contacted the vendor to update/verify. The vendor noted that this was not a legal copy and then contacted his ISP. Let's not start another bash the RIAA thread, the topic is getting pretty old...
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MrTangent
join:2001-12-28
Earth
| said by broknsymetry :
The person who received the letter had downloaded a copy of an anti-virus program that he wished to try out and then removed the prog from his pc when he decided not to use it. Apparently the program contacted the vendor to update/verify. The vendor noted that this was not a legal copy and then contacted his ISP.
Let me guess... it was a McAfee product?
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mrchris
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North Babylon, NY | reply to kaisa
Re: IRC trading
Already underground, I give where the MPAA nor RIAA know of this network  |
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SaBo7Ge
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US | reply to Omega
Re: IRC...the best
Want to bring more attention to yourself and possibly kill off another client with means of communication/transfer then keep on yapping your big mouth.. Dumbass :slap: |
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Xtract
join:2003-04-25
Etheria | reply to mrchris
Re: IRC trading
There will always be the underground. The RIAA/MPAA doesn't care about the underground, they care about filesharing becoming widespread.
My solutions were regarding those who wish to fileshare in a widespread community. |
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aliasrlz
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the world
| all they are....
All they are doing is forcing people to learn newsgroups, IRC, or get on a private, secure, IP restricted network. They are merely pushing it further underground, or making the average joe smoe go underground.
This won't accomplish anything but make it more difficult to catch people... so they are shooting themselves in the foot. While it may temporarily deter massive file-trading on the public p2p, the users will just learn & move somewhere else. Once the cat is out of the bag (so to say), there is no going back.
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z28kindaguy
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| reply to broknsymetry
Re: This was NOT the RIAA
said by broknsymetry :
As noted in the Comcast HSI thread, this was not from the RIAA. The person who received the letter had downloaded a copy of an anti-virus program that he wished to try out and then removed the prog from his pc when he decided not to use it. Apparently the program contacted the vendor to update/verify. The vendor noted that this was not a legal copy and then contacted his ISP. Let's not start another bash the RIAA thread, the topic is getting pretty old...
I don't know, it looks like the DMCA scanned the ed2k network similiar to the RIAA with kazaa, rather than the software calling home.
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Topmounter
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| reply to aliasrlz
Re: all they are....
The harder it is to share files (i.e. pushing it further underground), means that fewer "normal" people will go through the trouble of getting and sharing files.
And I do believe there is legislation being discussed right now that will make it illegal to cache or proxy illegal content, even if you don't know that your hardware is being used to do so... I believe it was in an MPAA related news story listed in the news stories here on DSLR a few days ago.
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broknsymetry
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| reply to z28kindaguy
Re: This was NOT the RIAA
said by z28kindaguy :
I don't know, it looks like the DMCA scanned the ed2k network similiar to the RIAA with kazaa, rather than the software calling home.
The DMCA didn't scan anything. DMCA stands for "Digital Millenium Copyright Act" a law which gives copyright holders the ability to request information from your ISP if they believe an act of infringement has occured. This relieves your ISP of the possibility of being named in the law suit if they comply with the request.
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