Stewy85
Premium
join:2003-01-16
Sharon, WI
clubs: | ok...
I will believe it when I see it. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
 ·Comcast
| Anti-MS Whiners
quote:
if they release a more sophisticated firewall application they'll be slammed for invading the turf of firewall vendors
I don't see how this could be considered a legitimate complaint. Linux and other operating systems have had these capabilities for years. A good OS-based firewall is only one part of the solution when it comes to network security. It could never by itself take the place of a hardware firewall.
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onliners450
Net Addicted, Period.
Premium
join:2002-12-19
Lebanon, CT
| Slam them regardless.hehe
quote:
if they release a more sophisticated firewall application they'll be slammed for invading the turf of firewall vendors,
So?They can afford to get slammed.They can afford anything.This is a good move IMO.Hell had there been such a firewall included I would not have renewed my ZA updates.
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AthlGrond
Premium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO
·Comcast
| reply to Stewy85
Re: ok...
said by Stewy85  :
I will believe it when I see it.
Or see it when you believe it. (depending on point of view.) |
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AthlGrond
Premium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO
·Comcast
| reply to pnh102
Re: Anti-MS Whiners
said by pnh102 :
quote:
if they release a more sophisticated firewall application they'll be slammed for invading the turf of firewall vendors
I don't see how this could be considered a legitimate complaint. Linux and other operating systems have had these capabilities for years. A good OS-based firewall is only one part of the solution when it comes to network security. It could never by itself take the place of a hardware firewall.
The legal world is a scary place. |
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Supafly
Premium
join:2000-07-15
Elk Grove, CA
| The Customer is always WRONG
said by The Article Above:
If Microsoft releases an OS without a firewall (or a feeble one), they're knocked for poor security; if they release a more sophisticated firewall application they'll be slammed for invading the turf of firewall vendors, and flaws will only enforce their image as security-dysfunctional.
That hit it right on the nail, this is exactly why Microsoft is having trouble with security these days.
To little control and MS isn't doing what it needs to protect the customers.
To much control and they are invading out "privacy".
You guys need to make you up your damn minds.
[text was edited by author 2003-10-16 12:41:50] |
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Sarick
It's Only Logical
Premium
join:2003-06-03
USA
 ·FrontierNet Intern..
|  Well it seems like the attention got them.
Will this be enough to solve the security issue no.
I have a feeling there are going to be some major changes in the OS.
A change this big might result in a few systems getting messed up.
As for the new technology I think MS is planning to improve the next version is going to incorporate digital rights management.
»www.abtrusion.com/Downloads/appersonal.asp
making the OS an active security OS VS passive.
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easymoney862
join:2002-06-08
Dallas, TX |  Worthless Firewall
Any type of firewall they could add to the already bloated OS would not be anywhere as good as the other Firewall programs on the market. |
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raydog1
Feel Secure
Premium
join:2003-07-10
La Vergne, TN | reply to Stewy85
Re: ok...
I'm looking forward to seeing what it can do. Microsoft has to start somewhere. . . |
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sadowski
I Am My Own Doppelganger
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-14
Buffalo, NY
clubs:
| reply to pnh102
Re: Anti-MS Whiners
Well, I've been testing their alpha AV/Firewall/Backup/Update thingy and I must say I can understand why they say they don't know what if anything they can do with it because I see DOJ and individual companies throwing fits and lawsuits over it. "They're using their size to crush my business!" The consumer isn't a priority in these areas. But I can assure you if they released this thing as it is and for free then the govt. and competitors would be screaming like stuck pigs. Even if they charged for AV updates (which I assume they would) then the competition would still be screaming about the stuff being included with Windows.
I'm not in any way saying what I've been testing is or ever will be a product or related to the above announcement, but I am saying they sort of lose no matter what they do in this area if they do much of anything of substance or nothing at all for that matter.
Btw, didn't they in earlier years ship an AV with a 6 month free update deal (I forget from whom) with the OS and basicaly people didn't want to pay for the updates and complained they weren't free? Like I said, you lose either way.
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damonlab
Premium
join:2001-05-02
Detroit, MI
clubs: | Going to be a big headache
I taught a bunch of people about windows update and how to use sygate personal firewall. Now, I am either going to have to teach them how to turn the new MS firewall off or how to use the MS firewall and remove sygate. |
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Sunburn
join:2000-10-05
Denver, CO
| reply to easymoney862
Re: Worthless Firewall
said by easymoney862 :
Any type of firewall they could add to the already bloated OS would not be anywhere as good as the other Firewall programs on the market.
What makes you such and expert and how the hell would you know? |
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gnubeest
Gnu
join:2001-10-28
Nashville, TN
| reply to easymoney862
It doesn't have to be, and MS doesn't want to get into the firewall business. Heck, the firewall built into XP is plenty good enough without outbound filtering, unless you open every attachment and download every file you can get your hands on sans AV. The problem is, that's most people.
We don't need pressure on OS vendors for more security -- we need education, instead of the paranoia, ignorance, and misinformation that's spread around in the media. The tech media isn't immune, either.
I use a dedicated Linux box as a firewall, and I don't use IE. Not everyone has that luxury. The more complicated you make security, the fewer the end-users that will actually bother. Remember, there's a lot of people out there who are still baffled by their antivirus software. |
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chlen
Ethically Challenged
Premium
join:2001-01-16
Albany, NY
| reply to damonlab
Re: Going to be a big headache
Im a Unix guy but i ran win2K sp4 with no spyware, intrusions, viruses, popups, and spam , for over a year now. It can be done. just norton corporate anti-virus, carefull where i leave my email address, and I used Mozilla with things like global java-disabled, and security and ssl keys on. It is still a fast box, and will continue to serve up warcraft3 and any other game as long as the hardware stays good enough. Its not really about the OS..
UNIX user are ,NOT, All!!!, but tend to be way more tech savy and smarter. To use linux/unix/bsd you have to care a lot about your pc.
Configure it right and keep a strict file structure as well as organization table.
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IcyFire
Flammable Ice
join:2001-05-30
Somewhere |  I'll Pass
I never use the XP built in firewall, So enhancing it is pointless to me, I'll continue to use my router and zonealarm for my firewall, Even at that Why would you want to use the XP firewall when theres Superior free alternatives? |
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Plasticman
Will Work For Bandwidth
Premium
join:2002-09-06
Harrisville, RI
clubs:
·Cox HSI
| reply to AthlGrond
Re: ok...
said by AthlGrond :
said by Stewy85 :
I will believe it when I see it.
Or see it when you believe it. (depending on point of view.)
How long should I hold my breath before I see it work....
Plasticman
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Dagda1175
join:2001-06-17
Goleta, CA | who cares?
I dont see the point of ANY software firewall. If you're on cable you probably have a hardware firewall anyway, so is this really needed? And dialup users arent usually used and drones for attacks, so most dont need to worry...... |
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Dude
What Happens When I Do This
Premium
join:2000-11-20
Chicago, IL
clubs: | I will....
I will believe that when me sh*t turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbert.
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Rejected One
I Suffer From Id10t Errors
Premium
join:2003-07-31
Wilmington, DE
clubs:
·Juno Express
| M$ firewall
they cant keep there browser or windows software secure now they want me to trust a software firewall. they might as well call it M$ swiss cheese firewall. they will patch that every other day.
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TexasGuy
49 States And Texas
Premium
join:2002-12-02
Houston, TX
| Can it beat Tiny firewall?
I have Tiny 4.5 and I'm super happy with it. If only it wouldn't f* up every 3 months with firewall complete reinstall. But I could move to MS it it will be that good.
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