mrchris
We don't miss you Bush
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join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY | Yeah right...
Most cable companies don't give that kind of bandwidth to their customers (coughCoxcough, coughComcastcough, COUGHcharterCOUGH, coughAdelphiacough) and nor do DSL give as much either |
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Lord Pancake
join:2003-09-30
West Milton, OH | Yay!
That's Just super! Oh wait, I don't have an HDTV, or DSL service in my area yet. Never mind. |
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dslwanter
Why would I want DSL? I have FTTH
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join:2002-12-16
Lowellville, OH
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|  Possible
This could happen, maybe over a type of line like ISDN. I don't see anyone being able to get that kind of bandwidth over a regular ADSL line. It would be nice though, but I think we need to work on DSL being more widely available first.
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panth1
The Coyote
join:2000-12-11
Boca Raton, FL
| More Vaporware
Sounds great but whose phone line can handle sync at 15Mbps+?
Plus I don't want over compressed signals so I can see demonstration of how to screw up an HD broadcast. That's the over the air affiliates jobs. 
I still think it has to be fiber to the home.
We can dream. Some can pretend.
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Omega
Displaced Ohioan
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join:2002-07-30
Cheyenne, WY
clubs:  | It would't be HDTV...
I don't know too much about HDTV, but wouldn't compressing the signal/video quality not make it HDTV?
In order to get true HDTV, you would have to have the 15mb/s.
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Mele20
Premium
join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
| Cable is far ahead
Very interesting, but I disagree that these developers have lots of time to tinker with this. HDTV sales may be sluggish now but just wait until next summer/fall when Sony is planning to mass produce the first widescreen HDTV with the tuner built in and the cable card slot on the tv. Oceanic Time Warner here in Hawaii is already preparing for this and says they plan to be ready to offer all us Oceanic cable users this technology as soon as those tvs are available. (We usually get technology like this before any other TW franchise). This will mean no more renting of the cable converter box. These tvs are to be offered at more reasonable prices than what we currently see for HDTV ready monitors. Sony says the first will be a 32" widescreen. I am eagerly awaiting this development as I don't want to rent a box when it is more cost effective to have the tuner built in and simply slide the card provided by the cable company into the slot on the tv. I think these tvs will greatly speed up the transition to digital and HDTV. The DSL tinkerers may get left in the dark if they tinker too long.
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gruggni
Oxygen Gets You High
join:2003-07-28
Corpus Christi, TX
| HDTV over dsl?
Ok, coming 2007 broadcasters have to be ready to deliver hdtv. So my guess is if you get cable tv via cable then HDTV will have to travel over cable, no? DSL and HDTV are the bells trying to get a foot into broadcasting? Don't tell me that after all this push to convert to HDTV they will not have a medium to deliver the signal.
AHHHH so many questions.
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
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| Wow! Oh gee! 20 times faster and I could too!
quote:
"The demonstration, which took place last week at Tandberg’s facilities, used two ADSL lines with each providing 10.6 Mb/s of downstream bandwidth. One HDTV MPEG-2 stream, encoded at 15 Mb/s, and one standard definition MPEG-2 stream, encoded at 3 Mbps, were simultaneously transported over the bonded ADSL lines, which in aggregate provided slightly more than 21 Mb/s downstream."
So, all I have to do is get a DSL line that is 20 times faster then my current one, and then I'll get to MAYBE watch *one channel* of HDTV! Yay!
Give it up. HDTV over DSL? Don't make me laugh.
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jtpeck2001
join:2001-03-27
San Marcos, CA
| reply to gruggni
Re: HDTV over dsl?
As far as I know, the only requirement will be that broadcaster send DTV signals... Cable & Sat providers will not be held to this requirement because they do not "broadcast" over the standard airwaves.
[text was edited by author 2003-10-14 19:02:16] |
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tonekilla
Pipe Dreams
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join:2003-07-26
Gunnison, MS
clubs:
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Re: Wow! Oh gee! 20 times faster and I could too!
said by KrK  :
So, all I have to do is get a DSL line that is 20 times faster then my current one, and then I'll get to MAYBE watch *one channel* of HDTV! Yay!
Give it up. HDTV over DSL? Don't make me laugh.
Amen, brother. ftth is the ONLY service atm that could be used to bring 21mbps to the home on a widespread scale. Show me 20something mbit dsl and I will kiss your ass.
[text was edited by author 2003-10-14 19:09:42] |
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Tomek
Premium
join:2002-01-30
Brooklyn, NY
 ·Packet8
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Re: It would't be HDTV...
said by Omega :
I don't know too much about HDTV, but wouldn't compressing the signal/video quality not make it HDTV?
In order to get true HDTV, you would have to have the 15mb/s.
They used MPEG-2 for HDTV as a standard because it's less demanding software and more available on market. MPEG-4 will offer the same quality, but at the price of requirement of higher system requirements.
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The Folsom
Kindly Shut Your Noise Hole.
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join:2003-01-31
Yucaipa, CA | Eh?
*YAWN* |
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MacLeech
The one and only
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join:2001-07-14
SoCal
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Re: Wow! Oh gee! 20 times faster and I could too!
Actually cable can do about 30 mbit/sec per 6 MHz of bandwidth using 64 QAM and about 38 mbit/sec per 6 MHz using 256 QAM.
That plus the fact most cable systems are knee deep in upgrading their plants for 860 MHz of bandwidth and are testing multiplexors which can fit 2 or 3 true HDTV channels into the space occupied by a single 6 MHz channel...
DSL has a long way to go, just to catch up with the current state of the industry:
»www.terayon.com/admin/file_handl···HDTV.pdf
FTTH only? Pucker up.
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nunya
SEE ROCK CITY 475 MILES
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join:2000-12-23
O Fallon, MO
clubs:
·AT&T CallVantage
| Quick to dismiss
The "have not's" and skeptics are always quick to dismiss these stories.
Remember, the earth used to be flat. You could not fly faster than sound. It used to take 3-6 months to cross this country. They'll never put a man on the moon, etc...
Sure, right now it is unrealistic. This is America. Now that it can be done, someone will find a better way to do it. That's how it works. VoDSL may or may not materialize, but at least it's a step in the right direction.
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aSic
application specific
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join:2001-05-17
Wakulla, FL
clubs:
| reply to tonekilla
Re: Wow! Oh gee! 20 times faster and I could too!
said by tonekilla :
Amen, brother. ftth is the ONLY service atm that could be used to bring 21mbps to the home on a widespread scale. Show me 20something mbit dsl and I will kiss your ass.
[text was edited by author 2003-10-14 19:09:42]
*points at Japan where the average home user's DSL is 26mbps*
Now kiss it.
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aSic
application specific
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join:2001-05-17
Wakulla, FL
clubs: | reply to nunya
Re: Quick to dismiss
The Earth isnt flat? OMG! I must call my mommy! |
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Speedy8
Premium
join:2002-08-22
Alliance, OH
clubs: | And...
...who actually wants this other than the DSL ISPs?
Buffering... Please wait... |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
·AT&T Yahoo
·AT&T DSL Service
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·AT&T Southwest
| reply to nunya
Re: Quick to dismiss
said by nunya :
Sure, right now it is unrealistic. This is America. Now that it can be done, someone will find a better way to do it. That's how it works. VoDSL may or may not materialize, but at least it's a step in the right direction.
Well, I'd share your optimism if it wasn't for the Telephone Companies getting in the way of it happening.
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana | reply to mrchris
Re: Yeah right...
quote:
HDTV signals, which normally require 12-15 megabytes
Uh -- me thinks the mbs and the MBs are mixed here |
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morbo
Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
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clubs: | reply to tonekilla
Re: Wow! Oh gee! 20 times faster and I could too!
let's see you kiss it. we're waiting! |
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