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Comments on news posted 2003-10-03 17:53:25: The makers of one of the newer 'stealth' p2p applications, dubbed Earthstation 5, are being accused of including malicious code in their application. We spoke briefly on Earthstation 5 earlier this year. ..
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Wolverine2
It Wasn't Me
Premium
join:2001-01-30
Wilton, CA
clubs:
| .... And because they are a palestinian company they obviously couldnt be staffed with Stanford and MIT grads right... 
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'Do Not Go Gentle' into that 'Good Night'. Rage, Rage against The Dying of the Light... "Dylan Thomas" | |
| shumedemny
join:2002-09-27
San Diego, CA
|  You might as well put a gun to your PC right now
Do you like gambling with your PC's well-being just because your buddy told you he got this new cool program or because some fool on a board said the program was the bomb? I guess it will take a few more million hard drive failures and stolen credit card accounts before people get smart.
You want a good analogy? Would you take an unmarked pill from some random prick standing on a street corner? [If you're already a crackhead, ignore the last sentence] These are the same people that bone that one really dirty trick who's dragging her ass across the club floor all night long...without using a condom (you know which one I'm talking about). The same people that are still driving around with Firestone tires on their Ford Explorers....etc..
There's by far enough reasonable doubt with this program to tell you to steer clear of it.
One last unrelated point...why would you think that just because a Palestinian is/or may be low tech that they can't operate a computer (or hack a country) just as well as anyone else? No one is ever surprised when a 10 year old Korean kid living in a straw hut in the middle of a rice paddy creates a virus that cripples the Internet.
People will always do as they will, just don't come crying for help hereafter, since you've been warned...you damn dumb "1337 h4X0rz". [Not directed towards any individual post]
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| jdir
join:2001-05-04
Santa Clara, CA |  Like I always say
is that too hard to comprehend? | |
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Lurkers inc
Don't Call Me Doink
join:2001-10-13
Seattle, WA
| A rebutal to ES5's poor attempt at damage control This »thebighack.org/modules.php?op=mo···613#1613 is a pretty good debate I read about while reading elsewhere between the programmer of ES5 and someone who seems to get it.
Paul, | |
| 
Hiachi
@cox.net
| Conspiracy Theory
I used that first few mods of ES5 and only came to one conclusion. The application starts of as a 5MB program and grows and grows. It starts becoming extremely processor dependent, though I think that was fixed to. But one night I got caught up in the Conspiracy theory. So here it is
Our government uses high bit encryption, high enough that if you linked a million computers it would take a couple of days to crack it. So... if an "enemy" wants to get a million computer users to DL their program to start trying to crack this code, what is the best way? Ah, p2p seems to be the best. Otherwise why would someone put up 5 GB Bandwidth and free use of their servers for no fee, and not even use advertisements as a source of revenue.
(Of course I do not understand how K-Lite is running either, except that most people I know in the real world that used Kazaa never switched to K-Lite)
So obviously p2p from Palestine is just an attempt to overthrowe the great satan and not about freedom of information.
Or whatever. | |
| jlcook83
join:2005-01-11
Redwater, AB
|  ES5 Advertised on TV
This just raises more questions in my mind... how does a legit television station promote this software ? and yet a better question WHY??? Did someone just hear of ES5 at the network and think.. "heres a good tech bit segment" without researching into the alleged problems? did the RIAA pay them off to do this? (if es5 is a RIAA trojan of some sort). does the network not believe any of the negative hype brought on by ES5? will they retract this recommendation when they find out that they have potentially put thousands more less experienced users at risk? or perhaps it is to help the RIAA spread ES5??? what are the real answers? | |
| cando789
join:2006-08-19
Ottawa, ON
| Earthstation 5' , es5--SharePro One day soon, I will tell the entire story. The truth is, was, and always will be that ES5 was only out there to provide an alternative solution to anonymous p2p. There was never any bad intentions to delete files or mishaps. Our mission was to provide an anonymous p2p network and application and teach people.
What type of security and anonymity could the owners, makers, and even members of ES5 boast about if they cant even protect their own identities.
Steve Cohen is currently sitting in some Mexican jail for something related to his sex.com days. Personally, I never cared for Mr. Cohen (haha...for those of you who remember, he tried to hijack ER from us!)
As far as I remember, Steve only offered a bunch of old ideas and started a bunch of fights with ZP. At the time, there we're a couple of Steve's and I hated all of them.
Both Steve's dared (by offering 50,000 rewards, etc) to idiots like Random Nut to see if they could break into ES5, and created a lot of problems for the people like myself and Filehoover who we're working our asses off to build the community and promote from beta a nice p2p program. ES5 wasnt released perfect. It had bugs. But we had alot of experience, adrenalin, and enthusiasm to continue the mission. Bad hype got in the way.
Every word that came out of my mouth was manipulated. I once said that I had a couple of BT sites (at the very beginning of Bit Torrent) and was using them for bandwith experiments. That was understood by a bunch of idiots to mean that I was dos attacking BT sites. So again, I found myself wasting time measuring each and every word (in my long ass educational essays that I would write...) before actually posting them.
Most people enjoyed my posts because while some came as a result of the hype and negative talk, the majority stayed because they found that ultimately, our entire community was made up of down to earth people.
We all found ourselves fighting and digging shit up on ZP instead of focusing on the real important things. Funny, but ZP realized that starting shit with us proved very stupid because their site is still owned by the same makers of DRM (digital rights management) and people who make real cash off of spying on peoples network traffic.
But nevertheless, time has proven that none of the people in ES5 had bad intentions. Our "p2p integrity" has been proven by the mere fact that we did many things that other p2p networks and management only dream about. All of the specualtive negative ideas about ES5 proved to be bullshit. When Random Nut created an exploit to erase peoples files, it was actually me who threatened his life (Yeah, I know, I went a little bit too far...). So how the hell people could publicly claim that ES5 was made to erase people's files is beyond me. Truth is, in the backround via Forums PM's, the owners of Slyck, ZP, P2PNET, etc., all knew that to be bullshit and wrote me letters telling me that they knew it was bullshit but promised "revenge". My attitude at the time was simply to tell them to fuck off.
The fact that nobody really knows how the routing was done speaks for itself.
According to the article, ES5 died in Sept 2005, "shortly before Steve's arrest". Hmm... How many people believe that ES5 died less than a year ago? That article at Wiki was written on August 6th 2006, which is several years after ES5's departure. Amazing how people are still digging. But the dates, times, and framework of the article are totally disportional to reality ( God knows that I havent been with ES5 in over 2 years), so I'm not even going to waste time editing the article and providing the real set of events.
For the matter of conversation, there is no physical proof of anything written in that article. But make no mistake, there is also nothing to disprove the article. Facts are generally based on 3rd party evidence. I didnt see any evidence in that article to support any of the theories presented.
Unlike the Washington Post, CNN, etc., who have editors to ensure that every word is REAL and can be PROVEN, you all must know by now that WIKI is nothing more than a community website allowing anybody to edit any definition without any real scrutiny. My theory is that on August 6, 2006, years after ES5's absence in cyberspace, somebody has still got a "hard on" for information. Anything recognized as ANONYMOUS is mistakenly understood as a SCAM.
The fact is, I may be English, American, French, or Italian. Nobody will ever be able to connect myself or the other people who participated with that project because as I've said a million times, true p2p is not about headtrips regarding racial or ethnic backround, sexual orientation, politics or religion. God forbid we limit ES5 to a ISP in Europe or a person named Steve. The reality is that ES5 was a network and community of many people and none of the people who participated can be found today. I am just one of many.
Nobody cares who provides them the music, movies, games, etc. Was ES5 just one big anonymous proxy as reported? The truth is, today, nobody knows (...or cares). Was it in Palestine, Europe, America, or the Far East? Hmm...Good question, but no answer...
Our original objective was eventually realized. We proved that one can be online and remain anonymous. Steve Cohen willingly released his own identity. The others in the group and community continue to remain anonymous.
When Random Nut tried to erase people's files, I did a simple WHOIS for Kazaalite.com and then cross checked the information with a couple of articles written on Cnet.com about a university kid from Scotland who built Kazaa Lite. I printed the information and everybody went apeshit. Amazing how little shits like Random talked so much shit about us being a conspiracy when in fact his own true colors were revealed by his own malicious actions.
At the time that we released ES5, the entire internet had thought that anonymity was increasingly difficult if not impossible. We proved otherwise. More importantly, we tought others. So our objective was reached.
Yes, Filehoover and I did plant false information in different places to send the RIAA, MPAA, newspaper journalists, etc., off in the wrong directions. (I imagine this gives a bunch of groupies now the right to run off and scream "SharePro lied to us...!)
The reality is that I never lied to anybody about things that they needed to know (i.e. Security, P2P, etc). Who I am is simply none of anybody's business just like your home addresses, phone numbers, etc., are none of my business.
P2P is not personal and should never be limited to a guy named SharePro, Filehoover, ES5, etc. Many of you remember when P2P first started. The thought of being able to trade files and meet people without the headtrips of their religious or political backround, geographical location, etc., was a thrill for first time p2pr's. The ability to join for free and get files for free hooked most of us onto the drug called p2p.
Hackers like Random Nut no longer had a job. No longer did people need to HACK to get unauthorized files. In the BBS days, people would hack into systems to get software (not everybody had the money to pay for games, software, etc).
I always figured that anybody who wants to know who I am only wants to know to cause me damage. Why else would anybody care who I am?
We spent a great deal of time not only protecting our identities, but also making sure that your identities we're safe.
The fact that the Washington Post and many other first rate magazines sent journalists around the world into dangerous places to try and get information (and turned up with nothing...) shows you all that the RIAA, MPAA, Investigative Journalists, etc., will go very far and hire the best minds to get information about us. Haha...They all wasted their money. So allow me to be very bold (several years after the fact...) and say that we are very good at what we do because we succeeded in fooling the entire world.
I personally know alot more than I like to talk about regarding the techniques. I can teach network anonymity, but most security deficiencies on networks are not because of computer mistakes, rather because of human error. In short, doing what everybody thinks your going to do and/or being stupid and sharing secret information with the public. Good security depends on private information remaining private. I never liked some of the people at ES5, but I wont sell anybody out. Some of the people at ES5 hated me, but they never sold me out.
The moral is that a good community (public or private) needs to rely on eachother. Assholes like XTR, Bsmuv, Punk, Random Nut and others who erased p2pr's content simply because they didnt like me or our community are bogus freaks who should never have had the privledge of entering into our community.
At any rate, there will come a time that I will talk. I may even release the code of ES5 as open source.
But to answer your question, if I edit Wiki and show evidence via 3rd party non-ES5-affiliated websites that actually track and monitor networking traffic that the article in Wiki contains details that are not true, what do you think would happen?
Answer - The person who wrote the article would continue searching. Personally, I like the idea that makes it look like Steve Cohen was ES5. Steve was an asshole from the get go, so I truly do hope that he's enjoying his once-a-week meal in a Mexican jail. But I wont provide details to help and/or hurt Steve or anybody else regarding ES5.
Even after Punk, XTR, Bsmuv and others fucked with ES5 Forums, I didnt release their IP addresses or any other information I had about them. The came to ES5 as NOBODYS and I helped them create an online persona, gave them mod powers, and instead of fucking with me, they fucked with the community.
If they had my name, they would have gone straight to the RIAA. I know who Punk, Bsmuv, XTR and others are. I know their names, addresses, etc. Again, there was a time that those people we're in good grace with me so they shared the information with me. I even know the company that Bsmuv and his old DJ partner worked for.
Unlike them, I'm not a drama queen nor do I become vendictive. They didnt get what they wanted so they erased p2pr's content. What they never understood in grammer school is that THERE IS NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A "REASON" AND AN EXCUSE. The reality is that they we're angry with me, and instead of dealing with that anger directly with me, they decided to erase other community members thoughts, ideas, pictures, and informative posts and yet today NOBODY CARES WHY THEY DID THAT. ER became alot larger than ES5 forums ever were with zero hype.
Bsmuv Radio is dead. Crapfiles forum is a black hole with zero substance. XTR committed suicide.
So it doesnt matter how much shit people have talked about me, at least nobody can say that I erased p2pr's content and nobody can say that I sold out. All that bullshit about ES5 being some malicious p2p program to erase peoples files was bullshit and everybody always knew that.
It's amazing how many people are full of conspiracy thoughts regarding ES5 yet the same people, and others, eventually show their true colors. As I have always said in the past, ALWAYS ASK YOURSELF WHAT THE AUTHOR OF THIS (OR THAT...) ARTICLE HAS CONTRIBUTED TO P2P.
All you know is that somebody on August 6th edited an article on Wiki regarding ES5. The original article on Wiki has been edited so many times, and most times the different writers contradict eachother while competing to write negative shit about the only fucking p2p network and community who truly provided an anonymous peer 2 peer working enviorment.
Anyway, if the RIAA, MPAA, or author of the various WIKI articles all jumped in the air holding their breathe waiting for me to talk.... to provide more accurate details on ES5...Allow me to say
I HOPE THEY ALL CHOKE!
I hope that answers your questions!
Cheers,
SharePro
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