Tomek
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join:2002-01-30
Brooklyn, NY | Business in American Style
Corruption, lies, empty promises and unbelievable pursuit for profits.
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statemachine
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| Good article
You see, this is a good article. It offers both sides and several sources to back up each, as well as back the author's view.
It doesn't sound contrived like a press release, it doesn't offer some overly optimistic one-sided view of the world, and it stays relatively objective, even though the author makes it a commentary ("By golly" for example).
However, don't expect me to sing the praises of every article BBR posts just to balance out, for the appeasement of a select few, any criticisms along the way. |
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linicx
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| Hal's What???
Hal's 'list ' would certainly make an interesting stock portfolio, wouldn't it?. This is an example of why I don't bank with Wal-mart , or shop in national chain stores, and why I have a lot of faith in the folks who operate the smaller companies I like. |
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nil
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join:2000-11-27 | reply to statemachine
Re: Good article
okay, but we'll be sure to frame this post and hang it on a wall somewhere 
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gnucleus7
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|  Business as usual
Everybody has their own agenda,From the giant ILEC down to the independent contractor. The fact that businesses use spin doctors and focus groups make them no different from politicians. Everybody is out for themselves.
The bottom line is, Broadband is good. Getting it to the masses is another story. The battle between the telco's and the cable companies is much akin to 2 dianasours fighting over food, sooner or later, the bigger one usually wins.The Ilecs or cable companies hiring companies to promote their agenda is no different from lobbyiest's. What's the deal here? Is the fact that the backers are trying to stay in the shadows really that big of a deal?.
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boogie74
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| What Karl didn't happen to include was the actual list of clients of this group (which he conveniently left out was also formed in 1986- hardly a "front group" for telcos designed to spew rhetoric to acheive a political agenda around DSL and/or broadband).
The actual entire list is as follows:
Alliance for Consumer Rights
Alliance for Public Technology
America Online
American Express
American Heart Association
American Social Health Association
American Strategies
American Telemedicine Association
Ameritech
Amnesty International USA
Associated Credit Bureaus
Association of America's Public Television Stations
Bank of America
Bell Atlantic
BellSouth
Bill Bradley for President
Blue Cross Blue Shield Association
Blue Cross Blue Shield of Georgia
Business Coalition for US-China Trade
California Teachers Association
CDR Associates
Center for Marine Conservation
Citizens Educational Foundation
Clear the Air
Coalition for Affordable Local and Long Distance Service (CALLS)
Communications and Policy Technology Network (CAPTN)
Corning
Crounse Malchow & Schlackman
Defenders of the Wildlife
Dontblowit.org
Edelman Interactive
Edison Electric Institute
Education and Libraries Networks Coalition (EdLiNC)
Emergency Committee on American Trade (ECAT)
endgridlock.org
Epilepsy Foundation of America
Fannie Mae
Fireman's Fund Insurance Co.
Fleishman-Hillard
George Washington School of Political Management
George Washington University - Virginia Campus
Georgia Early Learning Institute (GELI)
Greater Phoenix Chamber of Commerce
Greater Washington Board of Trade
GreenCar.org
GTE
Gun Free Kids, a project of New Yorkers Against Gun Violence
Hewlett-Packard
Hispanic Association on Corporate Responsibility (HACR)
Human Rights Campaign
iAdvance
Inova Health System
International Campaign for Tibet
International Food Information Council (IFIC)
Internet Alliance
Internet Public Policy Network (IPPN)
Juno Advocacy Network
Kelsey-Hayes
Leadership Conference on Civil Rights (LCCR)
M&R Strategic Services
Mark Warner 2001
Metricom
NAACP
National Association of Realtors
National Association of the Deaf
National Biosolids Partnership
National Center for Tobacco Free Kids
National Community for Latino Leadership
National Consulting Strategies
National Council of La Raza
National Environmental Trust
National Latino Telecommunications Task Force
New Millennium Research Council
New York State Democratic Party
Novartis
Open Access
Optimum Public Relations
Organizations Concerned About Rural Education
Ozone Action Corporation
Pacific Bell
Pacific Gas & Electric
Personal Communications Industry Assoc.
Public Affairs Council
Qualcomm
Qwest
Repeal the Tax on Talking
Salestar
San Francisco Giants
SBC Communications
Southern Environmental Law Center
Sprint
Techrocks
Telecommunications Research & Action Center
Teligent, Inc.
The Global Telemedicine Group
The Justice Project
The NOAH Group
The TransAfrica Forum
The US Internet Industry Association (USIIA)
United States Telecom Association (USTA)
U.S. West
Verizon
Verizon Wireless
Virginia Center for Innovative Technology
Virginia Secretary of Technology
Virginia Power
Including AOL, Sprint, Coalition for Affordable Local and Long Distance Service (CALLS- which is AT&T's front group that hasn't appeared for several months- as it's getting obvious that within a year, the Bells will sell long distance in all 50 states) and the USIIA, this group's clients certainly include a LARGE range of interests- both liberal and conservative and both Bells and independent CLEC and ISP organizations.
This list of clients is not a list of "contributers" but rather a list of clients that secured the services of this organization. Karl's spin simply shows that he still intends to put out a smear campaign against the Bells. I'm suprised that he didn't include a link to his favorite "Tele-scam" site.
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boogie74
join:2001-06-19
Neenah, WI
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Re: Business in American Style
said by Tomek  :
Corruption, lies, empty promises and unbelievable pursuit for profits.
Do you just post this randomly? Or is there an actual point to this? What lies, empty promises, corruption, etc for profits are you talking about? |
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Tomek
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Brooklyn, NY | Look around, examples are everywhere.
Maybe others will enlighten You.
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bistro777
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join:2002-02-07
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Re: Business as usual
Without trying to put words in Karl’s mouth (and he did include a link to the IDI client list and label it as such) - - Do you really think the “Defenders of the Wildlife” or the “Center for Marine Conservation” pay (influence?) IDI as much as, say, SBC or Verizon? And BTW, Issue Dynamics is not in all things a neutral party. For example, in addition to being an influential lobbying firm, IDI is a regular and active contributor to policos, especially the Democratic National Party. And IDI’s “backroom role” in the anti-MCI furor appeared typical of an operation trying to cloud any “follow the money” traceback to those funding the action.
From one Verizon-funded study by these folks - - “To ensure a fair competitive environment for corporations, maximum choice for consumers, an equality of access for the public will require a level of policy discourse yet to be achieved. Our moment has arrived - our challenge is to influence that discourse now while we have the chance to shape the future.”
So to take IDI and its New Millenium Research Council with a grain of salt only seems prudent to me…
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Teletruth
join:2001-12-25
New York, NY
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Re: Why do you defend Bell Astro-Turf groups.
Once again you haven't done your homework and are taking it out on Karl.
IDI is skunk-works 101 for the bells, led by Sam Simon. Had you had gone through the web site you would see that this companies' primary funders were the Bells to create fake consumer groups that would try to control the agenda in Washington ---- and it was built to help 'Bell Atlantic' corporate public affairs...
"Our experience is simply unmatchable.----In 1993, we were the company that launched the Internet's first
corporate public affairs web site (Bell Atlantic), the first trade association issue campaign site (1993, Alliance for Competitive Communications)..."
This group helped to create or run numerous groups who have been individually outed as groups spouting Bell rehetoric, paid for by the sponsors --- the Bells.
b.. Alliance for Public Technology (APT) --- sponsors are ---ALL of the sponsors and affiliates (with the exception of Time Warner) are the Bell companies,
or IDI clients, Corning, the Personal Communications Commission and the US Telecom Association --- the Bell's official public mouthpiece.
a.. AOL Time Warner
b.. BellSouth
c.. SBC
d.. US Telecom Association
e.. Verizon
Affiliates
a.. Corning
b.. Personal Communications Association
c.. Qwest
Is it a wonder that the research they publish is always defending the Bell position? And these groups don't identify who's paying them, This is not we're doing a web site, this is we're creating fake, corporate-based consumer groups to fool the public and regulators.----
The list goes on. Do some homework.
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