armyrebel4
Dream Chaser
Premium
join:2002-01-08
Springfield, IL
 ·AT&T Midwest
|  Thanks for the support
Geeze, talk about quick to respond. I think this is why there has to be a national broadband infrastructure...I know it may sound dumb but what else is going to happen an increase in city deployment?? Of course this may not be the time to talk about more construction since the economy is in bad shape right now...
Erik
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana
·AT&T Southwest
| I'm so SURPRISED! (and understanding)
This only confirms the obvious for anyone who has seriously looked at FTTH. The numbers definitely don't work if you have to buy the bandwidth -- and now we see that even if the bandwidth is "free" -- the numbers don't work - mainly because we consumers just won't pay what FTTH is really worth.
The ONLY hope for FTTH lies in the hands of mavericks (like me!) Thanks SBC for my marching orders.
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josephjoe
join:2002-09-08
Chicago, IL
| oh sbc why
I thought the problem whitacre had is with the prohibitive cost per customer $2000 * . I think he's just trying to save his own A$$. Income statement has to look good in order to get that raise... Now their considering laying off people trimming capital investment not to cool. I wonder what is contributing to their lower bottom line. |
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garagerock
Premium
join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY
| Political Message contained...beware
Oh, but our government will spend 87 Freakin' Billion dollars on our involvement in the war in Iraq.
How many homes, cities, counties, states, and towns could we put fiber to for 87 billion dollars? Oh right, all of them.
It's time to see where our priorities are. This never ending blank check to be the world's policeman is not only making us more and more unpopular, it is draining our national resources. Defend the country first, not the rest of the planet all at once.
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timcuth
Braves Fan
Premium
join:2000-09-18
Pelham, AL
clubs:
·AT&T Southeast
|  What does that mean?
>>> As this anonymous vendor (waiting on fiber deployment contracts) points out, each bell has their own opinions on the technology. "BellSouth's view is they want a competitor to Marconi in the fiber-to-the-curb business......"
Can anyone translate this into English? I'm particularly referring tho the phrase, "to Marconi in".
Tim
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blips
join:2001-04-17
Addison, IL | ?
Is the $2000 price to existing homes? What about new housing developments? How much would it cost to put fiber down instead of laying copper? It can't be that much more. |
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DotDitDot
@dsl.gen | reply to timcuth
Re: What does that mean?
Marconi is a British company that makes products associated with fiber among other things. |
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Subaru
1-3-2-4
Premium
join:2001-05-31
Greenwich, CT
clubs: 
 ·Packet8
| It's going to be like 56K all over again..
This is just not right.. You have Cable networks that provide 10Mbps down and other provide 1.5Mbps down and some less then that.. Not only are the prices wacky but what do they plan to do about this? nothing as I see so far but to raise the prices.. By that time the price you pay for your cable Isp can get you FTTH.
Mike
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana
·AT&T Southwest
| reply to blips
Re: ?
said by blips  :
Is the $2000 price to existing homes? What about new housing developments? How much would it cost to put fiber down instead of laying copper? It can't be that much more.
The price of the [triple-play]ONU is up to $1200. Thats why the ONU vendors greased themselves up for massive price cuts -- hoping for some huge volume orders from the likes of SBC. SBC could produce their own ONU's a lot cheaper.
Let's face it, it you grossed 100 billion a year on your copper lines -- why exactly would you want to spend 100 billion to upgrade to fiber??? |
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josephjoe
join:2002-09-08
Chicago, IL
| reply to garagerock
Re: Political Message contained...beware
I agree with you garagerock we get "details of possible Iraq weapons of mass destruction" from sources. So the government pulls out their checkbook... Iraqi destroy and rebuild. The newest game.j/k Other worldwide conflict don't worry there's a blank gov't check when not if u need it. Maybe if terrorist threaten us if we don't have fiber.... anyway its a big problem if the government builds a network that the people want because phone company's "cant compete" their too worried about their bottom line to understand the need to build this necessary infrastructure. sad |
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alfnoid
Premium,MVM
join:2002-02-18
| doesn't see the incentive for FTTP... No S$#T!
Of course they don't see the incentive for fiber. They make billions each quarter with what they have now, why would they want to spend $2000 per house? (which I think is high, but I don't know how they are figuring it)
They won't be able to rake in much more money with it, because regular people (not counting power users here) won't pay more than $50 or so for broadband, so it would be a net loss. There have been talks about telco TV, but Ed apparently doesn't care about that 'cause it is not going to happen over existing copper. Not much else you can do with fiber since they already have the dial tone covered.
They are going to squeeze every last drop out of the cash cow before they have to do FTTx. Does this really surprise anyone?
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footballdude
Premium
join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO
| reply to garagerock
Re: Political Message contained...beware
said by garagerock :
How many homes, cities, counties, states, and towns could we put fiber to for 87 billion dollars? Oh right, all of them.
It's time to see where our priorities are.
Whether you agreed or not with the decision to take out Iraq, we now have a moral obligation to help rebuild what we blew up. It would be wrong to destroy their government and much of their infrastructure and then just walk away amidst all the chaos. When you compare a moral obligation like that to a luxury like high speed internet, I think our priorities are just fine. |
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rmrper
@205.203.x.x
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timcuth
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Re: What does that mean?
I'll take a stab at it. I work for Marconi. We make FTTC equipment. Bellsouth would like to have other vendors is the field to offer us some competition. Now granted, I don't work for that division of Marconi, but this is what I've picked up from talking to people here. Of course, I've yet to hear of any large scale deployment plans of our products (or anyone else) by any of the ILEC's, which is irritating. The beg the FCC for rule changes, and then still refuse to actually do anything. Oh, and as far as SBC's balance sheet goes. I've heard (from SBC employees I know) that part of the cash flow issue with SBC was due to them spending big $$$ to get into the Long Distance business and it hasn't made them very much money. |
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wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH
| reply to blips
Re: ?
Fiber is about 10 times the cost of copper. But still, it would be worth the price.
It would be like getting a $1000 PC with 128 megs of RAM instead of spending $1045 for the same PC with 512 megs. So you cut some off of the price. But the performance will suck as a result, and you lose the initial investment when you have to swap it out later.
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana
·AT&T Southwest
| reply to Subaru
Re: It's going to be like 56K all over again..
said by Subaru :
This is just not right..
Not right? Even a moderate like me can see that SBC has no obligation to provide FTTH. It's "not right" that our free enterprise system hasn't stepped-in yet to solve this market snafu. That's up to you and me kid. |
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neftv
join:2000-10-01
Broomall, PA | Awwwww $2000 per home
Why don't these communication companies go to the government? Why the hell are we paying the taxes on our phone line and DSL service for??? And Verizon has no excuse they took money from the State of Pennsylvania to fiber most of PA. |
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Subaru
1-3-2-4
Premium
join:2001-05-31
Greenwich, CT
clubs:
·Packet8
| reply to garagerock
Re: Political Message contained...beware
said by garagerock :
Oh, but our government will spend 87 Freakin' Billion dollars on our involvement in the war in Iraq.
How many homes, cities, counties, states, and towns could we put fiber to for 87 billion dollars? Oh right, all of them.
It's time to see where our priorities are. This never ending blank check to be the world's policeman is not only making us more and more unpopular, it is draining our national resources. Defend the country first, not the rest of the planet all at once.
I agree with you very much! WHat a friekn waste of money.. ANd now he wants the UN's help but wants the Americans to lead the way.. SO where are the WMD's?? Thats alot Bush I will remember not to vote for you again.
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Subaru
1-3-2-4
Premium
join:2001-05-31
Greenwich, CT
clubs: | reply to DotDitDot
Re: What does that mean?
said by DotDitDot:
Marconi is a British company that makes products associated with fiber among other things.
Just a little pointer Marconi was on the Titanic. As a wireless telegraph. |
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fiber lover
@130.94.x.x | I have fiber already!!! Adelphia cable
Adelphia cable uses fiber for my tv and internet.
Why wait to telco if cable companies run on fiber.
Most cities are fiber wired by their cable company. |
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boogie74
join:2001-06-19
Neenah, WI
clubs:
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Re: Awwwww $2000 per home
said by neftv :
Why don't these communication companies go to the government? Why the hell are we paying the taxes on our phone line and DSL service for??? And Verizon has no excuse they took money from the State of Pennsylvania to fiber most of PA.
Yeah... in fact, since we all pay taxes on our gasoline, why not have the government give us all cars too... Since we all pay taxes on our property, the government should give us each a new house too!
What does paying taxes on a service have to do with the government being responsible to give each user of that service a related asset?
Boogie |
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