bky
moof moof
Premium
join:2002-07-05
Austin, TX | DIE!
KILL THE SPAMMERS! |
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Krispy
Premium,VIP
join:2001-12-11
the stix
| Criminal Matter
An attack of this magnitude should DEFINITELY be a criminal matter and be investigated by the authorities. Public awareness of this issue is tantamount if we are to stop this from happening again. People need to understand how this temp victory to the spammers affects all of us. |
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DHRacer
Fire Survivor
join:2000-10-10
Lake Arrowhead, CA
 ·Charter Pipeline
 ·Verizon west (ex G..
| "Revenge is a dish best served cold,
and it is very cold in [cyber]space."
Ha, ha, sorry, thought the line was funny.
Seriously, it is now up to the people getting spammed to give it right back to the people dishing this out.
If they are trying to bring down our protection from spam, then that means war, and war is what they are going to get.
Bring on the hackers!
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The three most dangerous things are a programmer with a soldering iron, a manager who codes, and a user who gets ideas. |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
·AT&T Yahoo
·AT&T DSL Service
·Cox HSI
·AT&T Southwest
| reply to bky
Re: DIE!
Good move, Spammer fools!
Switch your annoying, un-ethical but still mostly legal tactics of Spamming over to tactics that are completely illegal, and drum up more opposition.... now there's something people can *prosecute* you for....
Somewhere out there is some P.O.'ed prosecutor who's tired of being spammed with Porn and Viagra ads and now you've given him his chance to whoop some ass.
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"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!) |
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banditws6
Shrinking Time and Distance
join:2001-08-18
Naples, FL
·Comcast
| This is severe
Wow...this issue has been playing havoc with our corporate e-mail server for the past 48 hours. We use a filtering system that utilizes the Osirusoft blacklist and it's been spotty for days -- incoming mail's been getting stuck in the queue and never arriving. We're in hot water with our clients because of it, because it's been looking like we've been ignoring them.
The problem was complicated by the new IT guy we had hired who turned out to not be very resourceful, I guess -- he never had a clue what was going on and apparently ignored the problem. He was "let go" this morning.
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N10Cities
SILENCE I Keel You
Premium
join:2002-05-07
Roland, OK
clubs:
·Cox HSI
·World Lynx
|  See related Slashdot article...
Over at Slashdot, they are having a similar discussion and they mention that the admin of that site basically blacklisted all hosts (*.*.*.*)...
[text was edited by author 2003-08-27 13:42:44] |
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Krispy
Premium,VIP
join:2001-12-11
the stix
| Yes Joe did do that and I agree with him, this raised awareness of this issue that he probably wouldn't have gotten if he'd just turned it off and disappeared. As others elsewhere had noted, this attack would not have been possible were it not for lax security of the networks involved and, to some extend, the lax security of home users so kudos to Joe for mashing everyone's face (including mine) into it.
We use (well I guess used) Osirusoft and we too were temporarily affected by this blanket blacklist but we figured it out really quickly (along with the help of his message in the bounce, 'Stop using Osirusoft...') and although it did somewhat impact us I do not bear ANY hardfeelings against Joe AT ALL. In my opinion he did the right thing given the circumstances. |
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Pz_
join:2001-03-31
Brownsburg, IN
clubs: | reply to banditws6
Re: This is severe
I've been suffering from the reverse. Customers are complaining about not getting e-mail, when it shows delivered on our side. |
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russotto
join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA
|  Good riddance to a bad blocklist.
I think the admin proved his detractors right by blocklisting /0, and therefore causing every mail server configured to use his blocklist to bounce every mail they got. I doubt any list this guy is involved with will be trusted by too many administrators after that, at least not for a while.
Mail delivery on the net will probably get a lot more reliable as a result of the end of this list, whose admins had the philosophy of a hostage taker: "Accede to my demands or your e-mail gets it!". |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | And people say SPAM has no cost....
Uh huh. Tell it to these guys right here. |
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Halo5
join:2000-07-20
Dayton, OH
clubs:
| Sweet!
SPEWS was out of control. They would block a whole subnet because one IP address sent SPAM, then the only way to get off their list was to post to a newsgroup (no direct contact of any kind) where you would get flamed for being a spammer.
This happened where I work. Someone spammed from an IP that was close to our block. Did they block the spammers IP? Nope, they just blocked an entire subnet including ours and a lot of other legitimate businesses. Took close to a month to get taken off.
Good riddance, I say let them rot in hell!!!
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pleekmo
Triptoe Through The Tulips
Premium
join:2001-09-14
Manchester, CT
clubs:
| RICO
I think that if the ones responsible for this attack are caught that they ought to be RICO'd and sent to the penitentiary for a very long time.
If this is a DDoS attack then somewhere there ought to be some zombies which ought to give up some clues to the generator of this attack. Likewise, if the attack is not distributed, then it should be even more easy to track down the perpetrators.
And speaking of distributed, perhaps it's time to create a distributed network of RBLs, as one person elsewhere noted. (In other words, this is not my own idea and I take no credit for it but merely comment upon it here where the idea may receive more exposure.)
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Ericthorn
It only hurts when I laugh
Premium
join:2001-08-10
Paragould, AR
clubs:
·Paragould.net
| reply to Halo5
Re: Sweet!
said by Halo5  :
SPEWS was out of control. They would block a whole subnet because one IP address sent SPAM, then the only way to get off their list was to post to a newsgroup (no direct contact of any kind) where you would get flamed for being a spammer.
This happened where I work. Someone spammed from an IP that was close to our block. Did they block the spammers IP? Nope, they just blocked an entire subnet including ours and a lot of other legitimate businesses. Took close to a month to get taken off.
Good riddance, I say let them rot in hell!!!
www.somethingawful.com had a problem with SPEWS - Go read »www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=1605
Quite humorous
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All I wanted was a Pepsi |
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Krispy
Premium,VIP
join:2001-12-11
the stix
| reply to Halo5
said by Halo5:
SPEWS was out of control. They would block a whole subnet because one IP address sent SPAM, then the only way to get off their list was to post to a newsgroup (no direct contact of any kind) where you would get flamed for being a spammer.
Well you're absolutely wrong about SPEWS but regardless, we're talking about Osirusoft, not SPEWs (and no, they are not the same thing). |
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Krispy
Premium,VIP
join:2001-12-11
the stix
| reply to russotto
Re: Good riddance to a bad blocklist.
said by russotto:
I doubt any list this guy is involved with will be trusted by too many administrators after that, at least not for a while.
I'm one admin that still trusts Joe and I work alongside of quite a few others that do as well.
said by russotto:
Mail delivery on the net will probably get a lot more reliable as a result of the end of this list,
Well except for that thing where mail servers and queues are flooded with unnecessary mail that no one wants. |
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reub2000
Premium
join:2001-12-28
Evanston, IL
| reply to russotto
quote:
Mail delivery on the net will probably get a lot more reliable as a result of the end of this list, whose admins had the philosophy of a hostage taker: "Accede to my demands or your e-mail gets it!".
With no laws about spam, how else are the anti-spam folks to stop spam? And spammers do a lot worse than threats. |
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fantomposter
Phantom Poster
Premium
join:2002-09-21
Independence, OH
| reply to Halo5
Re: Sweet!
said by Halo5 :
SPEWS was out of control. They would block a whole subnet because one IP address sent SPAM, then the only way to get off their list was to post to a newsgroup (no direct contact of any kind) where you would get flamed for being a spammer.
This happened where I work. Someone spammed from an IP that was close to our block. Did they block the spammers IP? Nope, they just blocked an entire subnet including ours and a lot of other legitimate businesses. Took close to a month to get taken off.
Good riddance, I say let them rot in hell!!!
SPEWS is not gone. ONE of the services that made their list available is gone. SPEWS is still available from many other sources.
So, did you guys change ISP's after all this, or do you not hold them responsible for hosting spammers? |
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stibnite
join:2003-08-11
Santa Barbara, CA | reply to Halo5
ehhh
Halo5, I think your avatar just told me to kill my parents.
( In seriousness, the several cases I've dealt with where SPEWS refused to delist netblocks were justified- the parent ISP continued to harbor spammers, albeit on a new netblock. ) |
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chanur
Premium
join:2001-02-26
Colorado Springs, CO
| reply to Krispy
Re: Criminal Matter
I have long had a question that has been bugging me.
When I want to stop something from happening that is irritating me, and there is an intermediary, I go to the source. The people who buy these adds should begin to suffer the punishment. It seems they would be eminently more traceable (after all, they are trying to sell something). Is it the volume of spam purchasers that prevents this? When I get junk mail (a lot of course) I am irritated at those who send it - not the spammer but the seller of product. Is it a free speech issue? We seem to be getting around that with no-call lists. |
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ThisGuy
@speakeasy.net | reply to Halo5
Re: Sweet!
"I say let them rot in hell"
"Hell" might be a bit strong, I say let their cars breakdown on a New Jersey tollbooth |
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