ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana | This is what massive Federal tax cuts will get you
My 0.02 |
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drjim
Premium,MVM
join:2000-06-13
Torrance, CA
clubs: | HUH???
Put a tax on my LAN??? What idiots! If they're like California, they already tax the $hit out of the phone bill.
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joebear29
join:2003-07-20
Alabaster, AL
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Re: This is what massive Federal tax cuts will get you
This what uncontrolled state spending gets you.
Besides, with the Federal tax cuts, the states are free to raise their own income tax rates. They just don't.
It's not like the Federal tax cuts forced them to raise a LAN tax.
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dinkerdnk
join:2003-02-04
Arlington, TX | Flailing economy.....
Well let's just drive a stake into the heart of our flailing
economy....what a bunch of freakin idiots.
I know let's just tax our way to revenue....That'll fix it.
DOPES!!! |
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IronChefMoto
Premium
join:2001-02-08
Alpharetta, GA |  reply to ronpin
This is what elderly transplants will get you...
The old Floridian farts are draining the state for "me first" healthcare and retirement benefits. Plain and simple. 
IronChefMorimoto |
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Rothan Tik
Premium
join:2000-11-07
Danvers, MA | Ok?
Time to get the shotgun...
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana | reply to IronChefMoto
Re: This is what elderly transplants will get you.
OMG -- they still exist |
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woody7
Premium
join:2000-10-13
Torrance, CA
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Re: Flailing economy.....
It's nice to see that other states are hosing their taxpayers, not just CA.
just kidding....
(taxtaxtaxtaxtaxtaxtaxtaxtaxtaxtaxtaxtaxtaxtaxtaxtaxtaxtaxtaxtaxtaxtaxtaxtaxtaxtaxt axtaxta xtaxtaxtaxtaxtaxtaxtaxtaxtaxtax)the new mantra
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GlobalMind
Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy
Premium
join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL
| Ok so...
Read the documents behind this and you'll see just how damn obsurd this really is.
The first question I have to ask is when you look at the definition of what a "substitute communications system" is, essentially IMHO one MUST also define exactly in each case I am substituting. Reading the definition they provide, I cannot see how a simple LAN qualifies as a substitute communications system.
However, as you read on it becomes clear that VoIP is certainly one of the target points. Since they also can target companies who essentially by-pass the long lines carriers with dedicated circuits to link their phone systems.
The funny thing is that this is based on the cost of installing/maintaining the network. SO...the only reason a consumer's residence would not fall into the taxable arena here is because they can't seem to put a price on that network. However, if in some way they could...whammo!
In my view this is nothing more than a pathetic regulatory land grab, looking for more $$ to the state.
Fortunately, there are any number of businesses and trade groups who are going after this proposal now, so hopefully it will get snuffed out in short order.
K.
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GlobalMind
Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy
Premium
join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL
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Re: This is what massive Federal tax cuts will get you
Not really.
The Federal tax cuts don't have much impact on this as far as I see it.
The real issue is the fact that in this lovely state, the old timers managed to get the "no state income tax" law put into the state constitution.
So, they have to find the cash to run the state somehow...and this is just the latest target.
K.
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garagerock
Premium
join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY
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All states except for Vermont have balanced budget laws:
»slate.msn.com/id/2084993/
quote:
Alabama boasts the most stringent balanced-budget requirement. At the end of the fiscal year, if appropriations have exceeded revenues, the treasury is forbidden from disbursing any more funds. An official who dares dole out an extra cent can be punished with a $5,000 fine, two years in the clink, and impeachment. (No one has ever been so disciplined.)
The problem is, that expenses keep rising. Kinda hard to piss off the voters by saying their Medicare can't be funded anymore...that wouldn't work! |
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joebear29
join:2003-07-20
Alabaster, AL | Yes, but tax revenues increase as well.
If the states had held spending increases to population growth + inflation, they would not be in fiscal crisis. |
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2farfromCO7
join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI
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Re: This is what massive Federal tax cuts will get
Of course Florida doesn't have a state income tax. If they relied on a state income tax for revenue, they'd go bankrupt. That's why they have a state investment tax. That way they can tax the entire senior population. A state income tax doesn't make sense in Florida. |
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AnArky
I am in your nightmares.
Premium
join:2001-06-12
Berwyn, IL
clubs:
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Florida Taxing Morons....
Think of how many businesses would relocate out of the state if this happened. They would lose there ass as businesses facing 14% tax charges would say screw that and go bye-bye. I work for the largest private security company in the nation and we have two of our main hubs in Jacksonville and Bradenton. They handle communications from all there alarm circuits in the US there as well as a fall back when one of the others go down. These centers are relatively new and employ 100's if not 1000's of people to handle and monitor alarm cicuits nationwide. This tax would hit the company pretty hard. I could see the company shutting it down and relocating out of state. I think they would lose more money then they would gain in the long run.
This is strictly my opinion though.
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AnArky
I am in your nightmares.
Premium
join:2001-06-12
Berwyn, IL
clubs:
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Re: This is what massive Federal tax cuts will get you
How is that? Show me facts and figures. If you feel you should be paying more taxes then by all means if you recieve a refund every year just tell them to keep it as you do not think you are taxed enough. If you do not they will more than gladly take any donations. Just make your check out to the U.S. Treasury. Maybe... Just maybe they will send it over to your state.
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jelling
Jelling
Premium
join:2003-03-12
Tulsa, OK
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Re: This is what elderly transplants will get you.
said by ronpin  :
OMG -- they still exist
OMG -- They still voted themselves into this mess. |
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greywolf520
That's All Folks
join:2003-06-02
New Kensington, PA | Hope the PA politicians don't see this
For those in PA, i hope Gov. Rendell, or Pittsburgh Mayor Murphy don't see this. If they start taxing LAN and Internet services, heck I might as well just sign my paycheck over to them. |
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lazarus_
join:2002-08-31
Resolute, NU
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Re: Florida Taxing Morons....
said by AnArky :
Think of how many businesses would relocate out of the state if this happened. They would lose there ass as businesses facing 14% tax charges would say screw that and go bye-bye. I work for the largest private security company in the nation and we have two of our main hubs in Jacksonville and Bradenton. They handle communications from all there alarm circuits in the US there as well as a fall back when one of the others go down. These centers are relatively new and employ 100's if not 1000's of people to handle and monitor alarm cicuits nationwide. This tax would hit the company pretty hard. I could see the company shutting it down and relocating out of state. I think they would lose more money then they would gain in the long run.
This is strictly my opinion though.
Its not easy for huge companies to move their head office to another state or country... I'm sure they aren't going to fire or lay off all their corporate employees just because they have to pay tax on their LAN...
Same goes w/ call centers. (Also this is only for corporate commercial LAN's.. Not home non profit..)
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[text was edited by author 2003-08-26 12:38:29] |
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youngmoore
join:2001-03-16
Marietta, GA | reply to AnArky
I think your right. Same thing happen with Cal. We saw alot of compaines go to other states.
ym |
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garagerock
Premium
join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY
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Re: This is what massive Federal tax cuts will get you
said by joebear29 :
Yes, but tax revenues increase as well.
If the states had held spending increases to population growth + inflation, they would not be in fiscal crisis.
Yes, in the laboratory that sounds great.
In the real world, people who need Medicare aren't going to tolerate any caps on that spending, especially when the older generation has a LOT of political clout (AARP, anyone?) and vote in large numbers. Health care issues alone are going to bankrupt the whole country if we're not careful...and wishing it all away isn't going to work.
So-raise taxes to continue benefits, or cut benefits? Both are political landmines for politicians. |
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