oliphant5
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join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA | Oh my
What a little competition will do...
Go munis! |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | FTTH yes, BPL no.
And this folks, is why we do not need BPL. |
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jplove71
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| said by Eat Me  :
And this folks, is why we do not need BPL.
What's wrong with BPL? I see it as another option that muni's can use in cooperation with the power companies.
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It's co-owned by a Microsoft chair person who can probably fund that little town for as long as they exist. Bribery is the best political policy. That and minions with guns or clubs.
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
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| reply to jplove71
Re: FTTH yes, BPL no.
See the other BPL threads for excellent explanations as to why BPL is bad.
And see the article for the reasons why FTTH is so much better:
quote:
"I am just thrilled," Bethel's wife, Trisha, said. The pair took turns demonstrating the high-speed capabilities of the fiber Internet connection, downloading Web pages at 4.0 megabits, about 70 times faster than a 56k dial-up modem.
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jplove71
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Colorado Springs, CO | BPL is not bad. They just need to switch frequencies.
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bobmanh2o
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Sharon, SC | reply to Eat Me
And this folks will never happen in my area..... |
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Camelot One
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join:2001-11-21
Sarasota, FL
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said by Article:
What's more, service issues (of the run of the mill variety) that aren't corrected by the next business day after being reported would qualify a customer to get one free day of service.
This really shouldn't be such a far fetched idea. If it doesn't work for a day, you don't pay for that day. You didn't receive the service, so you don't pay for it. I still don't understand why this isn't a more widespread concept.
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Zorglub
join:2000-11-18
Fremont, CA
| This is really sad
Here in America, the country where capitalism supposedly flourishes, we need local cities to provide broadband (a real socialist behavior) for things to move forward.
I'm sorry, but something is fundamentally flawed with the system when we need the local government to step in and provide competition.
I say: let's do line sharing with all lines and cables, and maybe we'll see some real competition going. |
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purplejello
join:2001-08-23
Reno, NV
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| Your post is entirely innacurate.
Regarding the first paragraph: One might say, as you have said, that municipal broadband is 'socialist'. However, the city still charges for this service. No, they don't include this service with your taxes - you pay extra for it. Approximately $30 per month, it appears.
Regarding the second: And nothing is fundamentally flawed with the system when you need local government to step in and provide competition. That's a sign of the flourishing capitalism. The corporations minimize competition and avoid engaging in price wars in order to keep their profits high. Thus, they are territorial and don't often 'invade'.
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| Don't confuse the self-interest of particular businesses with a flourishing capitalist market. Just because you have a flourishing business, it doesn't follow that you have a flourishing market. The self-interest of a particular company might be served by the destruction of competition, but capitalist markets and the mechanisms by which supply, demand and price play out are not served.
Profit is the motivator in capital markets, not the purpose of markets and the ideal outcome of a capitalist market is NOT to have a single business maximizing its profit. It doesn't follow that ideal capitalist markets seek to maximize the profit of any particular company. In fact optimal capitalist markets are not about maximization of profit.
There are multiple interests hashing themselves out in a market. To do away with the interests of all but one producing company is to obliterate the very notion of a market. |
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mocycler
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| reply to oliphant5
Re: Oh my
said by oliphant5 :
What a little competition will do...
What competition? Anyone can undercut the "competition" when they're a government-owned and operated enterprise with a virtually unlimited supply of capital and have absolutely no incentive to turn a profit (or simply break even, for that matter) because, aw hell, Joe Taxpayer will ride in on his white horse if things don't work out.
Oh well. It took 75 years for the Soviet Union to grab a clue.
By the way, tomorrow (Friday 8-22) I'm taking off on my mo'cycle for several days of touring our beautiful nation. So flame all you want. By time I get back, this thread will be history. Things are so much easier when you don't care. Mo'cycles = 
Peace,
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
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| reply to jplove71
Re: FTTH yes, BPL no.
said by jplove71 :
BPL is not bad. They just need to switch frequencies.
Huh?
I wasn't even talking about the interference problem with BPL. I was talking about availability and bandwidth.
Elementary physics will tell you that signal loss in fiber optic cable is way below any form of metal cable. A fiber optic signal can go for over 90 miles before needing a repeater. BPL is limited to 5000 feet from the CO before needing a repeater.
BPL is limited to 20 Megabits per second. DOCSIS 2.0 using 64QAM is capable of a maximum bandwidth of 30 MBps. FTTH on the other hand is capable of gigabit speeds. Quite a difference! |
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IronChefMoto
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join:2001-02-08
Alpharetta, GA
| Dalton FTTH? Well I'll be damned!
Holy hell -- I thought the only thing that Dalton had going for it was a big ol' carpet outlet and a "premium" outlet mall where the locals go to buy Gucci and BOSE. Damn. Maybe I should move up GA400 and find me a nice 1 acre plot and some FTTH in Dalton. 
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alfnoid
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| reply to Eat Me
Re: FTTH yes, BPL no.
4Mb is one thing when you have one subscriber, but what will happen when you get the whole town online?
Also if you look at Dalton on a map you will see it is pretty small. So this works for them.
Not likely however that many people reading this now will see a connection like this in their own home for years and years (did I say years?) unless you have a lot of money and move to one of the few developments in the country where FTTH is reality.
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SweetBabyCakes
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| reply to oliphant5
Re: Oh my
I hope Dalton fiber is available in my area! I can't wait to ditch Charter. The continue to mess something up no matter what it involves. I've only gotten one bill from them, yet they have managed to mess it up twice. They need competition so they will improve their customer relations. |
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| reply to Eat Me
Re: FTTH yes, BPL no.
even the purest fiber needs repeating at 50 to 70 miles and needs to be patched at points with a speed shifting fiber and this costs lots of money. how ever i do agree this is the best solution for the last mile.
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Kilkenny Kid
join:2003-05-14
Savannah, GA
|  Munis - Competitor or Regulator?
What really disturbs me about these muni efforts is highlighted in this story. After the city turns up their own service it is now trying to impose heightened standards and other requirements on the cable operator in order to maintain their franchise. Isn't there something fundamentally wrong with the cable company being regulated by its competitor? What happens if they simply set the bar so high that the cable company can not effectively compete?
Munis should stick to collecting trash. |
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DaMaGeINC
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Greenville, SC
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| said by Kilkenny Kid :
What really disturbs me about these muni efforts is highlighted in this story. After the city turns up their own service it is now trying to impose heightened standards and other requirements on the cable operator in order to maintain their franchise. Isn't there something fundamentally wrong with the cable company being regulated by its competitor? What happens if they simply set the bar so high that the cable company can not effectively compete?
Munis should stick to collecting trash.
Whats wrong with that? Your taking the side of the cable company, the rest of us that want higher speeds. I could care less about the cable companys, all these years of no competitiors, finaly they have some incentive to actually upgrade their network and provide some decent service.
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Angrychair
join:2000-09-20
Jacksonville, FL | reply to mocycler
Re: Yeah, but...
Took his comment a little personally, eh? |
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