Unit649
I B U, Who U B?
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Stockton, CA
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| Trials exist....
If trials exist, then the people who are concerned with the interference that it may cause should be allowed to check to see what interference it may be causing.
What better way to see if it does? If the technology is being tested in the US, it should be checked out and the concerns addressed. I find it interesting that none of these companies are denying it does and asking for people to come out and prove that it doesn't, which makes me wonder now if it actually DOES cause more interference.
If the technology is sound and doesn't cause it, I would think the people trying to get approval would be trumpeting to come check it, test it, it doesn't do anything of the sort!
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insomniac
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Naperville, IL
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| I'm all for it, if...
... they can find a way to make it not interfere (or interfere less) with existing technologies like amateur radio. As someone who is planning on getting a ham license very soon, I'd rather not see problems arise because of this.
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oliphant5
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Corona, CA
| Hmmmmm...report Powell to the MPAA
said by Article:
FCC chairman Michael Powell earlier this year toured a power line broadband enabled home in Maryland and gave his blessing to the technology. Powell watched the movie "Ice Age" on a flat-screen 42-inch television streaming from another computer miles away, checked his voice mail over an Internet telephone, and watched his picture get printed after it had been taken by the front door security system. "This is within striking distance of being the third major broadband pipe into the home," said Powell at the time.
Isn't rebroadcasting that movie illegal...seeing as what's really happening with streaming is a "copy" is being made, cached before playing? If so, naughty naughty Mr. Powell. If not...who's to say how long I can keep a cached anything?
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Smokey
Even drunk on a bet ya make it to Canada
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Va Beach
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dslwanter
Why would I want DSL? I have FTTH
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Lowellville, OH
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| Great Idea!
I think this is a great idea! But when will it be out, when will Ohio Edison catch on this one? Lets see, this will Finally come about in lets say 95-100 years? Give me a break! Let's work on the expansion of Cable and DSL Broadband services like we talk about but never see happening  .
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whateverthrillsya
@ameritech.com
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| reply to Smokey
Re: Hmmmmm...report Powell to the MPAA
What do you expect from a person who has made nearly 900 posts in less than two months of membership?
Maybe we should pitch in and buy him a life. |
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aSic
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Wakulla, FL
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Re: Great Idea!
AMEN BROTHER! My thoughts exactly. I'm less than a mile from the cable termination point in the middle of a subdivision, with cable on all sides within 1/2mi of the division..but not within. Expand first, then make it better!
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Smokey
Even drunk on a bet ya make it to Canada
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| reply to whateverthrillsya
Re: Hmmmmm...report Powell to the MPAA
Well I cant say I have agreed with oliphant5 but he has had some good points made in his posts. Now having said that, it won’t hurt him to get some “air” 
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daHam
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| Expansion Please
I am an Amateur Radio operator that only works the VHF frequencies... That's all I'm license to use... So I don't want any of my signal interfered with...
At the same time - is there a reason why nobody is pushing hard for NGDLC / DSL over remote terminals etc...
This is crazy... I work for a CLEC - can get DSL for peanuts - live only 2 miles from the CO - but can't get DSL due to DLC... Forget BPL - if anything how about commercial 802.11 wifi networks?? |
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dslwanter
Why would I want DSL? I have FTTH
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Lowellville, OH
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| reply to aSic
Re: Great Idea!
Ha you too!!! Cable Starts 3/4 mile down the road, then again 1 mile down the road but I can't get it! And DSL forget it, one more time I get a date when that's coming out and it doesn't, I'll just have to forget about it all together! EXPAND FIRST!
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bmn
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hiatus
| reply to daHam
Re: Expansion Please
said by daHam:
if anything how about commercial 802.11 wifi networks??
While I'm not too happy about BPL getting push forward due to interference OUTSIDE of the Amateur Radio band, I'm not for slapping WIFI all over the place when the telcos and MSOs could EASILY be serving an area. Its time for the people and the government to get on the telcos and make them deliver their promise on broadband to everyone (we've already paid for it several times over), be it in the form of fibre to the house like they promised or just getting DSL to under-served areas.
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David95037
join:2003-04-16
Morgan Hill, CA
·Be There
| BPL - The Wave Report comments
The Wave Report is a highly influential newsletter that has an uncanny knack of finding the real story behind the PR spin. They have been following the BPL issue closely with a number of insightful comments.
A brief extract from their latest newsletter on the NOI and the FCC's thinking is below;
More information is here;
»www.wave-report.com/other-html-f···ine3.htm
Full details on the Wave report are here;
»www.wave-report.com
»www.3dlinks.com/
***Broadband over Power Line FCC NOI Update
By James Sneeringer
(July 9)
The FCC Office of Engineering and Technology (OET) opened a Notice of Inquiry into broadband over power line (BPL) access technology earlier this year, with special attention paid to possible interference issues.
Today at the WCA 2003 conference in Washington, DC, the WAVE Report spoke with Alan Scrime, Chief
of the Policy and Rules Division of the OET, concerning the progress of the NOI. Alan made several points:
- The comments period just ended on July 8, and the total number of comments was almost 2000.
- Amateur radio enthusiasts were very active in submitting comments, detailing concerns they have over possible interference from BPL access systems.
- The comment period is over now, and the reply comment period will end on August 6.
- The FCC should have something from this NOI to the public by about the end of the year. However, the timing is dependent on the Commissioners' schedule, and so there are no promises made.
- The OET and FCC in general are excited by the possibility of BPL access as a competitive consumer broadband service. But, they have a clear duty to protect incumbent users of the spectrum utilized by BPL access services. The commission will do as much as it can to encourage this technology and industry--within the bounds of conservative assessments of its impacts on existing spectrum users.
The WAVE Report site contains a tutorial on the BPL NOI written by James Stenger, a telecommunications attorney who works within the BPL industry. The address is:
»www.wave-report.com/tutorials/bpl.htm
The amateur radio's response to the NOI has been organized by the ARRL (American Radio Relay League), the national association for amateur radio. The ARRL filed a 120 page comments document with the FCC asking that BPL not be allowed to go forward. The filing can be found on the ARRL web site:
»www.arrl.org/announce/regulatory/et03-104/
Broadband over powerline is a technology that uses electric power distribution wires to carry a high-frequency data signal. In- home powerline data communications use the power lines inside a house to create a local area network. They are commercially available and standardized under the HomePlug Powerline Alliance.
BPL access technology uses outside electric distribution lines to deliver a broadband signal to homes. At least five vendors have trial deployments of BPL access technology with electric utilities in the US and around the world. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
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|  reply to Smokey
Could be worse!
said by Smokey :
Now having said that, it won’t hurt him to get some “air”
At least he isn't complaining about how is EXTREMELY RICH INNER-RING SUBURB cannot get DSL
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Smokey
Even drunk on a bet ya make it to Canada
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oliphant5
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Corona, CA
| reply to pnh102
said by pnh102 :
said by Smokey :
Now having said that, it won’t hurt him to get some “air”
At least he isn't complaining about how is EXTREMELY RICH INNER-RING SUBURB cannot get DSL
I can if you want me to. Always looking to add to that post count.
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David95037
join:2003-04-16
Morgan Hill, CA
·Be There
| BPL growth in Scotland - update + interference
Scotland has about 100 BPL/PLC/PLT users which may be significant growth for BPL but for any other Internet delivery technology is a drop in the ocean.
For a detailed interference complaint on one of the Scottish operations check;
»www.qsl.net/rsgb_emc/CRIEFF%20No···n_1.html |
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funbill
join:2003-07-08
Aurora, CO | Sure speeds seem ok
Anyone know what kinda pings ud get with power internet, seems like an awful long travel distance to power centers? |
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squison
join:2001-07-07
Decatur, GA
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to dslwanter
Re: Great Idea!
If this actually works the way its supposed to, cable and dsl broadband services will be completely obsolete, not to mention phone lines, cable tv lines. And, the rollout for such a thing is easy.. wire the power station and an entire grid is hooked up, as opposed to DSL or Cable where a rollout for a similar area would cost a much more substatial amount.
Not to mention this is leaps and bounds faster than the fastest cable or DSL. You want a 'nationwide Cable or DSL Broadband service', well, with the relative low cost of implementation, the fact that the lines are already there.. as soon as they work out the bugs - here's your national broadband service.
edit: There's a few different implentations going on with this.. The above only really applies with the one originally started by MediaFusion a couple years ago that runs over the microwave field around power lines. Ones that tack on lines onto power lines -- well, I'd hardly call that anything marvelous.
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fancydancer
Perception is reality
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Am I the only one who has thought of the scenario with the customer trying to tweak his power-line broadband connection and he electrocutes himself?
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | reply to insomniac
Re: I'm all for it, if...
If you think it is going to be easy to surpress interference, look at these videos:
»www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/#Video |
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