 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK | So, as thought, Taxpayers (us) already paid for it Very interesting reading, eh?
So while the likes of SBC demand that their RT's and their networks must be blocked from competitors *so they can get a return on their investment* it turns out WE ALREADY PAID FOR THEM TO BUILD IT ALL and they're just screwing us over AGAIN. None of this is new information, but maybe spreading the news out to more people would help those threads where our ILEC supporters talk about "thieving CLEC's" and "ROI". Where's *OUR* Return on Investment?
I'll tell you where. In the Bell's pockets, that's where.
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK | The more I think about it, the more annoying it is. Think about the economic damage the Bells have done and continue to do to the U.S. Economy and society as a whole. Think of the competitive edge we've blown to other nations and continue to blow. In fact, it's really not a stretch to think that many of those failed so-called Dot.coms might actually be thriving companies today if the Bells had ever made good on their broadband and FTTH deployments.
ARRRRGGGHHH!!! And Our Congressmen and regulators still do their bidding! It's a JOKE!
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK | reply to KrK
"It is the largest accounting scandal in history and the FCC and the states have just let it drop. Essentially, the Bells have been including "Vaporware", missing equipment, in their accounting for local phone rates -- for all services. And we're talking about $19 billion being missing -- and that's a finding from only 1/4 of the potential audits."
Sometimes, I hate being RIGHT. That's fraud, theft, racketeering, you name it... Criminals. Where's the picture of Ed Whitacre being led off in Handcuffs? Martha Stewart. Sheesh. She's not even a French Fry when compared to these crooks!
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 bistro777Donuts-Is There Anything They Can't Do?Premium
join:2002-02-07
Englewood, CO | Kudos to Karl Interviews and information like this are reasons why I enjoy BBR/DSLR so much...keep up the great work!
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| Yep, good work Karl. I can't say that much in this article surprises me. Simply put, the Bells are used to a gravy train of money. They want to talk ROI, how about the ROI they must have got on that 30+ year old 1A switch they replaced last year with 5ESS in one of the projects I worked on. Or how about the 75 year old power system in the basement feeding various equipment in that Central Office? Must have good ROI there too. It seems maybe like they could care less about things like DSL or FTTH if they can't be guaranteed 30+ years of service from the initial investment. And let me say, I know of more 1A switches still in operation in Major Metro areas even today. I think it's just a mindset, like the article stated. They want to operate with no regulations, but are essentially monopolies for phone service for most of the public. |
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Re: So, as thought, Taxpayers (us) already paid for it Thats besides the point if we already paid them to build it, its like a builder asking for money to build a house, but the people keep wanting to change the plans already in construction.
SBC is not going to put a RT up that grants other companies rights to use it to. No logic in it, the states are holding SBC hostage, not the other way around. Plain and simple.
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Re: Kudos to Karl said by bistro777:
Interviews and information like this are reasons why I enjoy BBR/DSLR so much...keep up the great work!
Took the words right out of my mouth 
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK | reply to markopoleo
Re: So, as thought, Taxpayers (us) already paid for it Besides the point? Are you kidding?
So, you're saying you're willing to pay upfront for something that is never delivered, and then when you complain, they demand you pay them again...? and again?
No it's not like a Customer who keeps changing their order. The Telco controls the "features" of the network, not the consumer. The consumer just pays for it, even if it is never actually built.
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join:2002-01-22
00000 | reply to markopoleo
said by markopoleo:
Thats besides the point if we already paid them to build it, its like a builder asking for money to build a house, but the people keep wanting to change the plans already in construction.
SBC is not going to put a RT up that grants other companies rights to use it to. No logic in it, the states are holding SBC hostage, not the other way around. Plain and simple.
horribly flawed logic.
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Reisterstown, MD Reviews:
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| Sources? "according to the New York Communications Workers of America"
I wonder if Bruce actually believes half of what he hears from the CWA. I know I don't.
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK | The Telco's apparently attack his credentials all the time, and won't admit he's an industry insider, and he knows what he is talking about. |
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| Tell the truth Verizon! It's important that we support consumer advocates like Bruce, and help him out in his efforts. Imagine, it's 2003 and we're still using old, outdated copper lines!! I remember in the late 1980's they were demonstrating videophones in France which used fiber optics. Why we don't have this technology widely deployed 13+ years later in the TWENTY FIRST CENTURY is a complete mystery to me.
We're dying to see a little progress in the telephone industry. As a matter of fact, the only thing that has seemed to have progressed is executive compensation and perks. This is not right, especially since the bells built their business on public funds.
Time to tell the truth, bells. Your gig is up. The only time you get off your ass is when the cablecos and IP telephony providers are eating your lunch. Time to put our money where your mouth is.
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| Customer Satisfaction is Job 1 He sounds pretty much right on from what I have experienced. Remember that alot of people that work at the phone company started when it was still MaBell and that mindset is still there today. |
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Re: So, as thought, Taxpayers (us) already paid for it said by KrK:
In fact, it's really not a stretch to think that many of those failed so-called Dot.coms might actually be thriving companies today if the Bells had ever made good on their broadband and FTTH deployments.
Read this statement again and tell me you still mean it.
The dot-coms failed because most of them were stupid business ideas, not because there were not means for them to be deployed. The dot bomb was dropped because people are stupid and inflexible and because of one of the largest instances of groupthink to ever occur.
I can think of a lot of things on which I can blame the Bells, but the end of the dot-com era is not one of them.
The over-the-top rantings on BBR, while understandable and maybe even justified, take away from the argument instead of furthering the cause against the Bells. The Bells are not the root of all evil.
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what the bells say they will do; if they don't do something real soon, cable will eat their lunch. If they could give me DSL, I would switch to their bundle just because it pisses me off to be "penalized" for not having cable TV (comcast has been doing this to me a year before they called it "bundling").
On the other hand, if VOIP is rolled out before they can offer me DSL (at comparable speeds, lower price or higher speeds, same price), the local bell will lose me as a phone customer.
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Palo Alto, CA | reply to KrK
Re: So, as thought, Taxpayers (us) already paid for it Expect the bell shills to start chiming in soon with disparaging remarks about teletruth and Bruce and how wrong he is, without actually being able to support their positions. As per normal... |
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JakCrow
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Palo Alto, CA | reply to gateguy
Re: Sources? said by gateguy:
"according to the New York Communications Workers of America"
I wonder if Bruce actually believes half of what he hears from the CWA. I know I don't.
As well you shouldn't, but I believe Bruce is able to glean interesting information from CWA whenever one of their spokes people put their foot in their mouth. |
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | reply to TheMadSwede
Re: So, as thought, Taxpayers (us) already paid for it Note I said many not all. I'm thinking specifically of those that were counting on "Fat pipes" to people's homes, such as Telephony, Video services, Real time shopping, etc
These ideas were *not* pie in the sky ideas that would never work. They just needed consumers who had the bandwidth to deliver the services.
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no for the most part he is right except he does not know what's going on here in california he speaks for the most part of new york as if that was the whole america, but sbc had already deploy some fiber to home in palo alto california, and here in so cal they have deploy a lot fo fiber event thou not to the home, witch is why I can get dsl being 30,000 ft from the co.
Deploying fiber is the only way the bells can survive if not cable,cell phones and internet telephony are going to take there customers, now are more options for communications than in 1995 so unless the bells deliver they will be going belly up! |
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