Pyrion
Liquid Metal Nanomorph
join:2001-12-01
Poway, CA
clubs:
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 ·Cox HSI
| Nah.
Wow, 70 bucks a month to be called an idiot by some idiot working for Comcast. No thanks. I'll stick with NAT. 
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Sean Raines
Premium
join:2002-12-04
Phoenix, AZ
clubs: 
·Cox HSI
|  That's too much!
That is a lot of money. That's almost robbing them blind. I couldn't imagine paying $65.95 a month! Buyer beware, I guess. I guess some people need that, though. I could make a killing setting up home networks. Hmm... -ponders-
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DBowmanJr
join:2003-01-22
Arlington, VA | Doesn't Matter.
Doesn't matter what you purchase from Comcast in the Arlington, VA area cuase the connection will still stink!
Go buy a router for crying out loud... |
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tschmidt
Premium,MVM
join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
 ·Hollis Hosting
 ·Verizon Online DSL
·Fairpoint Communic..
| Third Party Support
Home networking is getting easier but it is still to complex for many folks. We are stall at the early adopter stage of home networking where implementers are willing to invest a great deal of effort in learning how things work and how to configure it. Most people don't build their own cars or home or for that matter even mow their own lawns. I think there is a huge opportunity to outsource management of home networks. If people are willing to pay $20 a month for network maintenance and companies can make money at it more power to them.
What bothers me is the service is provided by the first-mile access provider. The roll of the provider should end at the demarc. What one does in their home should be up to them. First mile access is a scarce resource - in a given market customers have few choices this gives the providers tremendous power to leverage additional services or as the article seems to imply in order to get better speed one must sign up for the service contract.
I think this is a great business opportunity but I don’t think first-mile access providers should be allowed to offer it. Network management should be independent from the means of access. |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Network support is what techie family members are for! It's their birthright (as anyone who gets more calls from family to fix things than to say hello can tell you). |
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rds24a
Teach Your Children
Premium
join:2000-12-13
Springboro, OH
clubs:
·RoadRunner Cable
| With the right combo
When a cable modem rents for $4/month versus buying one for $50, and when the cable company will unquestioningly provide support for that modem if I rent it, then it seems reasonable for me to pay that amount for the equipment and service.
If a cable company were to charge me $6/month for a router versus buying one for $75, and unquestioningly provide support for the network, then it seems reasonable for me to pay that amount for the equipment and service.
If a cable company wants to charge me $100 over a few months for a $75 router, and then complain about my bandwidth usage and tell me the only support they can offer is to reboot my modem, then I will pass.
Although I may have preferences for certain hardware, and although I know I can support my own network, if the price point is right then there is a certain advantage to being able to lump product, service, and support into one package. It's like buying OEM instead of building it yourself...
I believe that the cable TV and telephone rules are correct, however, in that I should be able to what I want with the service once it enters my house. I won't expect the cable company to support my personal network, but they should not be able to force me pay an extra fee when I do not want or need their equipment or help. I would like to see these rules applied to all residential Internet services as well.
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alfnoid
Premium,MVM
join:2002-02-18
| "seeing past" NAT devices
"Research into "seeing past" NAT devices may someday make paying for such services less optional, as ISP's begin peeking into home networks and charging accordingly."
This can already be easily defeated by anyone with an old spare PC using linux or a BSD variant so don't fork out more money for this.
If they have you capped anyway why should they be able to tell you how many computers you can use to hit those caps?
They shouldn't be able to because one can easily hit those caps. You are the only one suffering from slow down on your own internal network.
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easymoney862
join:2002-06-08
Dallas, TX
| Go with Speakeasy.net
If you have a home network, and your ISP wants to charge extra for additional PC's and if you have the option of DSL, I'd go with speakeasy.net. You can have as many PC's sharing one DSL connection as you want. They even let you run servers if you want. |
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newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
Premium
join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD
| Comcast 2nd class subscriber?
I currently subscribe to Comcast HSI, but no longer subscribe to their cableTV. Instead, to save a substantial amount of money each month, I dropped Comcast cableTV and subscribed to DirecTV.
As a result, I entered into the realm of Comcast's 2nd class subscriber and am now charged $15.00 more per month because I use a competitor for cableTV service.
I will never consider ANY additional Comcast services, as attractive as they may be, until I am recognized as a Comcast Customer, regardless of the level of service, and the $15.00 per month penalty is removed forever.
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vic102482
Premium
join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD
| reply to Pyrion
Re: Nah.
said by Pyrion  :
Wow, 70 bucks a month to be called an idiot by some idiot working for Comcast. No thanks. I'll stick with NAT.
Only a fool would sign up for that.
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cpr2k
This Won'T Hurt..
Premium
join:2002-02-02
San Marcos, CA
| reply to Pyrion
"Research into "seeing past" NAT devices may someday make paying for such services less optional, as ISP's begin peeking into home networks and charging accordingly."
I'd like to see them try to peek past my hardware firewall.
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mglunt
join:2001-09-10
Fredericksburg, VA | reply to newview
Re: Comcast 2nd class subscriber?
Thank god they are not getting any more of my money..
DirecTV and Verizon DSL ($35 for 1500/128) |
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batageek
Slave To The Duopoly
Premium
join:2003-01-25 | reply to Karl Bode
Re: Third Party Support
That is exactly what your 14 year old child is for......
Fix the networks, program the VCR, kick your butt on PS2, and take out the garbage |
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AthlGrond
Premium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO
·Comcast
| reply to vic102482
Re: Nah.
said by vic102482 :
said by Pyrion :
Wow, 70 bucks a month to be called an idiot by some idiot working for Comcast. No thanks. I'll stick with NAT.
Only a fool would sign up for that.
I'd agree if thats all it was but here is the part that was left out:
said by Comcast:
Home Networking customers will have a maximum download speed of 2.5 megabits per second, compared with 1.5 mbps for regular customers.
So it's not just a NAT for $20 extra. You also get your caps raised by 1Mbps.
Which at least makes it a viable option. |
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dpm1124
Premium
join:2001-02-06
Bartlett, IL
clubs:
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
| We are the elite..
Comcast is playing to the people here. Most of the folks out there that have cable know very little about the computers in the house. Even fewer know anything at all about networking. This is the group that Comcast is looking at. All it takes to see this is to do a little Wardriving around and you will see a lot of open networks. In my subdivision alone, out of about 300 houses I can access almost 50 open networks (only 12 were locked up). Better than that, go hang out at a Best Buy networking dept. and listen to some of the pure BS that the salespeople give out and you can understand why some people just give up on networking. We (BBR members) at least try to understand what is going on with their systems. For the most part we are ones that are called by the family and friends if something breaks or they need advice. Comcast is just trying to make a buck giving what quite a few households want, yet can't figure out how to do.
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vic102482
Premium
join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD
| reply to AthlGrond
Re: Nah.
said by AthlGrond :
said by vic102482 :
said by Pyrion :
Wow, 70 bucks a month to be called an idiot by some idiot working for Comcast. No thanks. I'll stick with NAT.
Only a fool would sign up for that.
I'd agree if thats all it was but here is the part that was left out:
said by Comcast:
Home Networking customers will have a maximum download speed of 2.5 megabits per second, compared with 1.5 mbps for regular customers.
So it's not just a NAT for $20 extra. You also get your caps raised by 1Mbps.
Which at least makes it a viable option.
Yeah now I have an eyebrow raised. Only if they offer back money for download speeds lost. We can all agree that at around 6 pm you will be going from 2.5 to 1.8-1.4-7--kbps download.
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Xcomcastuser
@chcgil.ameritech
| We need to take action
This is just another reason why we need to write these money grubbing people and tell them to stop. Also we should write the Gov., even though they can make things very bad, this situation is getting worse. Don't get me wrong, I don't think that the company should be able to make a buck, I don't think that they should force you to pay out the butt to do it!
I've just help a buddy get DSL and now my DSL is back on and I'm moving from comcast in 2 days. His new dsl service came with a new modem... a 2wire modem. If I was reading the quick guide right, this thing supports out the box:
ADSL (Via its self)
Home Phoneline Networks (via its self)
NAT (via its self)
and wireless (not sure if it is a access point or not).
So at least SBC in this area isn't crying foul for people using the same service, same bandwidth at the same time. |
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AthlGrond
Premium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO
| reply to vic102482
Re: Nah.
LOL
Hey its still cable...
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tomkb
Premium
join:2000-11-15
Avon, OH
clubs: | curious
How come the cable companies don't try to do this with cable tv - ie adding additional tv's to the line? |
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Vericima
Beautiful But Deadly
Premium
join:2003-01-07
Manchester, CT | They used to. |
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