vic102482
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join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD
| Schwang!!!!!
Down with Comcast (or whichever major provider gives service or doesnt out there)
More we need more. DC Maryland, New York, Atlanta, San Fransisco, Houston, everybody join in lol.
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JakCrow
join:2001-12-06
Palo Alto, CA
| Public dissatisfied with ILECs
And just yesterday someone said:
"What makes you so confident that the public is extremely dissatisfied with the ILECs- more so than anyone else? Because a bunch of people post on DSLR that they feel that way?"
Looks like a large chunk of Utah isn't happy now either. Are they "just whiners" too? |
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c0mmander
join:2001-10-03
| w00topia! finally some actual competition. my cable co charges our area just for BASIC channels that everyone else gets for free (NBC/FOX/CBS/ABC), that $145 a year i could spend on something else. meanwhile SBC wont give me DSL because i use AT&T for local, so they dont want my business.
municipal fiber plus powerline broadband, bring it on!!!
too bad i'm stuck in graydavis liberal land of debt so it'll be awhile before we do anything like utah does |
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keyboard5684
join:2001-08-01
Youngsville, PA
 ·Teliax VOIP
 ·WestPAnet Inc.
 ·WestPAnet Inc. CA..
| How is eliminating the ILECs and replacing them with government controlled services better? Have you ever attempted to get a pothole fixed in front of your home? It practically takes an act of congress to get the crews out there to solve the problem.
To me it does not sound like things would be better, it sounds like they would be the same. You have private companies competing for the services but who regulates the use of the fiber? To me this sounds like tariff rates that will not easily be changed by your demand for lower cost services.
Do the costs come from a lovely broadband for everyone charity? They come out of your pocket one way or the other. I would rather pay a local telephone company guy $18 an hour rather than some lazy local government employee $25 per hour to take 6 weeks to come out and fix my internet connection. Better yet, a local ISP with control over the network and more concerned about fixing the problem than getting to the bank to cash his check.
Prices and service levels controlled by the demand of the market rather than regulated by government and unions sounds better to me.
Its my understanding that power companies are large faceless companies with the same image as your phone company. Broadband over power lines may work but your not getting anywhere company wise. You simply have another large money hungry utility with your services in there lap.
Some attitudes play into the game of large companies or governments scraping cash off of charging you too much. Kill the small cow because the big cows have some tastier milk is really what the group of big cows want you to keep thinking.
I do not think the government has your best interests in mind. Its all about money and the government is just as concerned about missing out on this financial bliss as your telephone company. Do you think the government taxing cigarettes so much is because they are concerned about your health?
I think progress is great but I doubt you want to assume this is the best thing for you. Its about people who need to make the boat payments. People get blinded by the promise of great things to come without questioning the situation. |
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Boogeyman
Drive it like you stole it
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join:2002-12-17
Huntsville, AL | Have you read any of the user reviews of the places that have county controlled broadband?
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ib50MbSoon
Formerly TwoKDialup
Premium
join:2002-06-07
Coloma, MI
| reply to keyboard5684
said by keyboard5684  :
How is eliminating the ILECs and replacing them with government controlled services better?
With municipal broadband, we can vote the bad guys out. Since the local elected officials will be using the same municipal system as the taxpayers, I don't anticipate a problem.
With ILEC services, we have absolutely NO voice in the matter and we will be stuck with 2K dialup service.
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keyboard5684
join:2001-08-01
Youngsville, PA
·Teliax VOIP
·WestPAnet Inc.
·WestPAnet Inc. CA..
| reply to Boogeyman
Yes, and they look good.
In the long term, 5 or ten years from now, is this really going to be seen as a good thing?
In a way this has been attempted before. Forcing the local telcos to "share" there networks. The only difference in this case is replacing the telco with a government system. |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| reply to keyboard5684
said by keyboard5684 :
Do the costs come from a lovely broadband for everyone charity? They come out of your pocket one way or the other. I would rather pay a local telephone company guy $18 an hour rather than some lazy local government employee $25 per hour to take 6 weeks to come out and fix my internet connection.
Yeah but the lazy local government employee gets the job done eventually as opposed to the ILEC/CLEC/Cable connection where people go with months of piss poor service with no hopes of EVER getting ANYTHING done with all the intercompany fingerpointing going on. my view has always been "slow is better than no"
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MacLeech
The one and only
Premium
join:2001-07-14
SoCal
| Seems this is a middle-man network...
Is this UTOPIA network really intended to replace last-mile connections currently dominated by local telcos and cable companies? Or is it a "middle-man" network intended to give customers (such as telco's, cable co's,independent ISPs, and other businesses) access to a regional network connecting the state of Utah to the rest of the internet without any real plan to overbuild the majority of incumbent last mile providers' networks? said by UTOPIA website:
Business Model
OSPN™ - UTOPIA’s fiber optic telecommunications infrastructure will operate as an Open Service Provider Network™ (OSPN). UTOPIA solely provides carrier-class wholesale transport services—it does not provide retail service in any capacity. Each service provider owns its own customer relationships—directly selling, marketing, and billing their customers.
I don't think this UTOPIA is really intended to connect to the "average joe" in suburbia.
...at least not directly.
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kitsune
join:2001-11-26
Sacramento, CA
| Perhaps you should read a little more:
What is UTOPIA?
Utah Telecommunications Open Infrastructure Agency, a Utah interlocal agreement agency (17 founding cities) dedicated to accelerating economic development and quality of life for its citizens and businesses by deploying a publicly owned advanced telecommunications network over the last mile to all homes and businesses within member communities.
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mig288
Premium
join:2002-07-13
Merchantville, NJ
|  UTAH to get Fiber!!
I'm here to say Good luck and i'm very happy that someone stood up to those greedy bastards. I'm hoping that some how some way we can do this 2 in NJ tri-state area Phil,NJ,Del.. I'm in south jersey so no optimum online! 
I would gladly take optimum if they came or mulicipal fiber which ever came first..:) IMHO |
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RayW
Premium
join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
clubs:
 ·XMission
| There may be a catch
I wonder if Mayor Rocky will fight it since the "emissions" from all that fiber MIGHT be bad for the environment?
I also notice that AT&T is/maybe/wannabe involved or at least making noise. They claimed to be putting real broadband in our area, but the only 'broadband' we ended up with is the cable TV service and I am seeing a lot of my neighbors putting up dishes and dumping that. (I use the old fashion V/UHF antenna on the roof)
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bmn
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Premium,ExMod 2003-06
join:2001-03-15
hiatus
| said by RayW :
I wonder if Mayor Rocky will fight it since the "emissions" from all that fiber MIGHT be bad for the environment?
Yeah, but then he would have to ban light bulbs, infrared devices, etc... However I doubt he would be willing to give up his remote control for his television... 
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canelada
join:2002-09-03
Salt Lake City, UT
| WOW
When?How?How much!!!???
let's wait...!
[text was edited by author 2003-03-29 23:13:14] |
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RayW
Premium
join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
clubs: | reply to bmn
Re: There may be a catch
Never said he was consistent  |
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rtcwdude
join:2003-03-02
Tucson, AZ
| Seems to me.....
That if this is the wave of the future, perhaps my long time latency probs with having to bounce through 1500 miles of network to a peering point might be gone sooner than I think. IF most municipalities see this as the way to go, and everyone ends up having a nice city or state wide Fiber Optic LAN, with that much speed perhaps peering points wont be such a touchy wash-my-back-I'll-wash-yours type of deal anymore. 50 pings coast to coast for everyone. yay!
I think it does speak volumes about how people feel about all of their local 'options'. (Even though most of us only have, at max, one or possibly two choices for broadband currently), Usually either a telco, (usually pathetic) or a cable company (also usually pathetic).
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vic102482
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join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD | reply to keyboard5684
Re: Public dissatisfied with ILECs
1 provider is ALWAYS good. Its not about providers is about competition, thats what you are failing to see:).
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thongsai
join:2002-07-04
Santa Rosa, CA | more municipals!!!!
i love reading about these things.. cities doing their own network.. as this gets popular my area will have it soon.. fiber for ~40 bucks a month???? this is worth the wait |
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tiger72
SexaT duorP
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join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
clubs:
·T-Mobile US
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to keyboard5684
Re: Public dissatisfied with ILECs
said by keyboard5684 :
In a way this has been attempted before. Forcing the local telcos to "share" there networks. The only difference in this case is replacing the telco with a government system.
but not.
The telcos paid for the network buildout and were/are later forced to open their own networks up to competition. In this case, the city is providing the medium thus no company is forced to do anything against its wishes. This way the companies cant monopolize on the lines also.
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| at this rate, the only way
Good for Utah - with the FCC screwing around (and screwing up) and the ILECs sitting on their hands, this is probably the only way some municipalities are going to get broadband service.
This should be a model for the rest of the country: instead of having some monopoly cable or telco controlling the last mile, the local community can control the last mile, allowing any ISP that wants to compete to use the pipeline.
I predict that we are going to start seeing stratification in the country:
- municipally owned broadband networks providing fast, reasonably priced services to customers
- the rest of us schlubs being stuck with the monopoly cable or ILEC paying monopoly prices for pseudo-broadband |
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