lscott5
join:2001-01-04
West Palm Beach, FL
|  Oh well....
As one of the many Northpoint users that were left high and dry I guess that pretty much ends any chance I have of getting my DSL reconnected.
It's a shame. I have the line, it was running and everything but BellSouth still says that my number/line can not support DSL.
Go Figure! |
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BrianDamage
We Are The Hounds From Hell
Premium
join:2001-08-14
Rowlett, TX
clubs: 
| Thing is, I brought this up back when Northpoint was in Chap7 and AT&T showed interest.
I knew then that this would end up chapping their backsides once somebody came to the realization that they would not be able to legally break into the DSL game via this method.
I guess nobody else was listening.
Oh well...it wasn't my $135 mil.
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AlterEgo
join:2001-01-09
Bayside, NY | reply to lscott5
As a Northpoint shareholder (they're still in my account... a glaring $0.00 that keeps reminding me of the dreadful way in which it met its demise), I share your disappointment. "Left high and dry": exactly how I feel. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
 ·Comcast
| said by AlterEgo  :
a glaring $0.00 that keeps reminding me of the dreadful way in which it met its demise
At least their stock price can't get any worse 
If AT&T is looking for a CEO, I will be more than happy to take the job. What kind of idiot signs a contract without reading the fine print? Sounds like the fools who run Sendo!
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Go Chargers7
Fa Shizzle Ma Nizzle
Premium
join:2002-09-24
Huntington Beach, CA | The same idiots that sell off the one division that made them any money to Comcast.
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DrTCP
Yours truly
Premium,ExMod 1999-04
join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX
| Now they are free to offer DSL (if they wish)
Now that Excite@Home is long gone and all cable providers are on their on and AT&T has sold cable to Comcast, I see no reason why they cannot take advantage of Northpoint assets they acquired pennies on the dollar. That is if they wish to do so.
They might have lost money some small money (telco speaking) on this transation but they gained shelf and co-location space on these CO which is much more valuable to the company than the equipment. They will take advantage of this when the market
The more serious issue for AT&T is the reversal of FCC rules that can wipe the CLEC status and access to last mine effectively. Covad is also a loser if that is allowed to happen. Perhaps SBC can acquire Covad since they already own portion of the company anyhow. |
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dmh748
join:2002-03-07
Boston, MA
| Article wrong, Covad in all states except NY,TX,CA
The NY times article and the blurb has it exactly wrong.
*Except* for limited areas in NY, TX, and CA, where ATT is providing its own DSL service, all of the remaining areas are covered by Covad for ATT.
See this correct article:
»telephonyonline.com/ar/telecom_c···ndex.htm |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Yeah I thought that seemed wrong.
Corrected. Thank you. |
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dmh748
join:2002-03-07
Boston, MA
|  Another article with more info
»www.tinyurl.com/49cy
ATT, Covad Expand DSL Agreement
Jan 07, 2003
In what is rapidly becoming a very friendly arrangement indeed, broadband provider Covad [OTC: COVD] and AT&T [NYSE: T] announced a wider scope for their ADSL partnership. Covad presently provisions ADSL service for customers of AT&T's Worldnet Internet service and for AT&T business customers. Under the new agreement, Covad will also provide ADSL service under the AT&T brand to residential customers of the carrier's local voice service. AT&T also gains warrants to acquire 3 million shares of Covad stock, or 1.3 percent of outstanding shares.
While an obvious advantage for Covad as it works to build its wholesale business, the deal also provides powerful advantages for AT&T. The bundled service will use a line splitting arrangement and allows AT&T to get wholesale ADSL access via Covad rather than working out its own deals with ILECs-- a negotiating process that would doubtless be less friendly than the cozy arrangement that is evolving with Covad (Santa Clara, Calif.). AT&T already offers its own facilities-based ADSL service in parts of California, New York and Texas. (Those offerings are unaffected by the deal). However rather than expanding its own footprint, AT&T through the Covad deal saves deployment expenses and more closely matches costs to its own timeline for scaling up service.
For more about this and other broadband industry-related news, read the latest edition of Communications Today's sister publication, Broadband Business Report. For subscription details, visit the "newsstand" at »www.TelecomWeb.com. |
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ross
join:2000-08-16
 ·Digizip
| Note to the FCC:
Hey Mr. Powell, why isn't this AT&T non-compete agreement a violation of FCC regulations? Why was Verizon allowed to get away with the financial shenanigan it perpetrated on Northpoint? Why is a cable provider allowed to buy up and bury a very good DSL network?
If the new view of the industry, and the FCC, is competing super monopolies represented by recombined Telco+Wireless vs. mega-Cable/entertainment conglomerates vs. Direct Broadcast Satellite broadband then why doesn't the non-compete agreement violate FCC rules? After all, AT&T, Cox and Comcast are predominantly cable providers and Northpoint's network was strictly DSL.
Why have a federal regulating body charged with protecting consumers that continually kow-tows to corporate interests? Eh, Mr. Powell? If you aren't going to do anything but rubber-stamp industry proposals, like most state P.U.C.'s, then I propose we save the taxpayers a lot of money and just abolish the FCC altogether. That way, when the various providers of so-called high technology internet and HDTV services and the dick-headed purveyors of D.M.C.A. protected content decide to put it to consumers, we won't have to wait six months to find out we're going to get screwed, we will be notified directly by the provider without the useless, redundant middleman. |
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hawgwild
join:2000-06-16
Scottsdale, AZ
| reply to lscott5
Re: Oh well....
As another Northpoint refugee I still have mixed feeling about the whole thing. At first my DSL line was great, at 208/208 it was a major upgrade to a dial up connection even though it took over a month to get US West to actually connect the copper. But when the ISP that sold me the Northpoint line went belly up and the accounts were bought and then sold right away by Megapath, that was the beginning of the end. The company that bought my account, Telocity (herein known as Teloshitty) was the worst ISP, and not by a little, I've ever dealt with. From their proprietary "frankenstein" modem, to their unscrupulous business practices, to the outright lies they told during the Northpoint liquidation, puts them on my Top 10 Worst companies to deal with. I'd go back to dial up before I'd deal with them again.
As a matter of fact I did go back to dial up, for almost 6 months until Cox wired my neighborhood for cable internet. Now instead of a 208/208 DSL connection for $50 a month, I have a 3000/256 (and I usually surpass that by a bit) cable connection that's rock solid. I wouldn't go back to DSL unless it were free.
The people at AT&T who made that decision deserve to lose their jobs, it was monumentally stupid. But I guess they're big enough to absorb a loss like that and survive. I guess it's probably just chump change to AT&T. |
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AlterEgo
join:2001-01-09
Bayside, NY | What made Northpoint's demise so tragic-- besides the fact that I owned share in the company-- was the fact that, as I understood it, Northpoint provided a great service to its subscribers. |
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kenyg
join:2001-02-09
Hatboro, PA | dusty NP equipment
- so how much for the former NP network??
Boy do I miss my 784/784 sdsl with 4 static IPs.
Ken |
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beerbum
Premium
join:2000-05-06
Reading, PA
clubs:
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has AT&T done anything else besides ruin not one, but two national broadband providers?
first they bankrupt @home, then they buy Northpoint only to flush it down the toilet.
I bet all the surviving ATTBIS employees can breathe a sigh of relief knowing their new employer will not end up trashing their broadband service as AT&T did with their two tries at it. |
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Thran
join:2002-01-05
Hibbing, MN | Ouch
OUch that has gotta hurt. And guese who gets to pay for AT&T's screw up? not the management the peons and the cattle. The techs and the customers |
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Lasker
join:2000-05-10
Danville, CA | reply to kenyg
Re: dusty NP equipment
784/784 sdsl with northpoint rocked, worked out to 15,000 feet, used frame relay encapsulation and go 744/744 real world speed (94.89% rated) |
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mcaslan
join:2000-06-17
Baltimore, MD
| Nice story...the writers did a good job...
Northpoint shut down the network and wanted to keep the opportunity for a competitor to build out a VOIP and data network on the cheap.
It sounds so rational this story that Wall Street analysts should be able to rationalize this easily and the attempt to shore up valuation and investment is a good attempt.
So, AT&T is allowed to run a service in cooperation with Covad, hmmm but had to dismantle their Northpoint network because of legal agreements yep sounds good. |
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Voyager2K2
join:2001-10-04
Wayne, PA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to Lasker
Re: dusty NP equipment
said by Lasker :
784/784 sdsl with northpoint rocked, worked out to 15,000 feet, used frame relay encapsulation and go 744/744 real world speed (94.89% rated)
How much did they charge for that? Fifty or sixty bucks/mo?
Why do you think NPT went out of business anyway? |
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Pavel303
join:2001-03-22
Brooklyn, NY | They charged 39.95 for 768/768 |
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sapo
I eat meat
Premium
join:2002-09-16
Sacramento, CA | Don't work for them
another reason you shouldn't work for A&TT
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