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Comments on news posted 2003-01-07 12:39:01: When Brandon Wirtz and several other Buckeye Cable customers decided to uncap their modems, they assumed the worst that could happen was that they'd be disconnected. As we reported last November, they were wrong. ..
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IHATEATTCOMCAST
@attbi.com | Poor Guy He was made the national example. I really feel bad for this guy. | |
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Pz_
join:2001-03-31
Brownsburg, IN
clubs:
| Re: Poor Guy Unbelievable. Its not even all on the cable service, just the way the officers handled themselves. Pretty typical I guess. Not to mention all the stuff they took out of there. Either they are absolute retards or they just needed some extra equipment/software for themselves. Both I find to be unacceptable. | |
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lazarus_
join:2002-08-31
Resolute, NU | Re: Poor Guy Why would a ISP go and charge someone like this when they could just implement certain security features that would stop most uncappers... | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
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| Re: Poor Guy said by lazarus_  :
Why would a ISP go and charge someone like this when they could just implement certain security features that would stop most uncappers...
Because its cheaper to use taxpayer-provided law-enforcement than to spend your own money on security.
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Microhard3
join:2001-08-03
Huntington Beach, CA
| Very simple paradigm to work under, as a matter of fact to have a security system and surveillance and patrols is all very expensive. One good example of a company that is begging to be robbed and open weird hours of the night and day who embraced a cost effective security approach. This industry protected by the law enforcement for the cost of around 10 cents an hour, for their 10 cents they get the finest in armed and technologically advanced security. In fact for their 10 cents an hour security they also have air support and their security officers have the legal authority to kill.
So,the next time you go and get a dough-nut respect the fact that they pay cops in dough-nuts for free security. Not too stupid are these vendors of fried fat now are they? | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK
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·AT&T DSL Service
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| Re: Poor Guy I still wonder how the hell Buckeye can get Police, Feds, etc to come do their dirty work over something that not only wasn't illegal, but wasn't even covered in the TOS.
I could see them saying, "Hey, you altered our service. We're disconnecting you."... but beyond that....
And there's no way in h*ll their 'damage estimates' are even close. $30k? Puhleeeze. I doubt they suffered any damages at all.
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da luka
@cvx34-bradley.dialup
| personally if a police officer showed me a warren then, I would read the search warrent very carefully before allowing them in my home, i would make them all wait outside until i read it all then if one area was not on the warrent i would remove them personally by force with no hesitation if necessary
it would get messy to say the least however, the law is made to protect the innocent (suppose to be) if they have a warrent it better be clear otherwise i will not let them pass  ) | |
| | richardak
join:2001-07-08
Seguin, TX | Poor Guy? He got what he deserved. Actually, he got off pretty easy if you ask me. I'd have pushed for jail time and heftier fines. Also would have prohibited him from using a computer or the internet for a set amount of time. | |
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join:2001-07-08
Seguin, TX
| Re: Poor Guy I think that those who break the law should be punished. I think that the current level of punishment is not enough, if it was, then there would be more of a deterrent to commit crimes. Stealing is stealing, it is NOT stupid and petty, it is a crime. A crime for which the person needs to be punished, and punished in such a way so that they won't do it again.
I think that those who break the law should be punished.
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| | | | | oOPHYDEAUXOo
join:2002-10-03
Twinsburg, OH
| Re: Poor Guy I must agree with you, at least partially. When someone does something wrong, they must get punished. The punishment, however, must reflect and equal the wrong doing. Charging someone an arm and a leg for 3 days of un-capping (or whatever) is completely uncalled for. You wouldn't throw someone in jail for stealing a candy bar would you?
There are standards which are, or at least should be set, which determine 'sentencing' of those found guilty. In this case... it appears he was given life in prison for a pack of stolen bubble gum.
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lazarus_
join:2002-08-31
Resolute, NU
| maybe people should be executed if they get caught downloading warez/mp3's/movies ??? Its the exact same thing as un-capping. And on a side note the guy didin't uncap to 10/10 he uncapped to the "gold account" which from the sounds of the article was still under 2mbits down and 1mbits up.... So I don't get where they lost all this revenue... Also once they finish the trial I bet that the ISP will end up paying more in court costs than if they forced the (obviusly underqualified) employees at the NOC to use all the nifty security features the uBR's offer... | |
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join:2002-01-05
Monroe, MI | He first said he uncapped 4 times for 2 hours, then he said he was uncapped for about 5 weeks.
Which is it? | |
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tiger72
SexaT duorP
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Saint Louis, MO
clubs: | Re: Poor Guy he uncapped 4 times for two hours over a 5 week period. | |
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Sioux City, IA | The 4 times happened within a 5 week period. | |
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Honest
@merck.com
| He WAS made an example of.
Sometimes what is simple is missed entirely.
If no one is in the store, it doesn't make it "ok" to walk in and take anything you want.
Really people: if it was your business that was ripped you'd have hurculean fits.
I have no love for corporations but stealin is stealin,
childish ignorance not withstanding. | |
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proton666
Padawan For Hire
join:2000-12-05
FBI | Free Brandon nuff said!! | |
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Go Chargers7
Fa Shizzle Ma Nizzle
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Huntington Beach, CA
|  Such crap
Whatta joke. I'm for free enterprise and all, but when people get arrested and criminally prosecuted for what is really a simple breach of contract, something is seriously wrong.
Plus the damages...what an F-ing joke. Last time I heard you have to PROVE YOUR DAMAGES.
Hey everyone, if you are ever in a fender bender that's not your fault, just claim $250,000 seeing as I guess you no longer have to prove that you were actually damaged by that amount. And what crime, net service theft? Never heard of it. They were paying for the service and there was nothing in the TOS/AUP like there is in ATTBi's about uncapping. What's next? Del Taco gonna come after me because I got extra Coke since I didn't put ice in my cup?
ATTBi takes the correct approach, busted = blacklisted. Buckeye should be ashamed of itself for wasting Bureau time with something that so far hasn't been proved as being against the law.
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Maxo
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join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs:
| Sad It's sad but this is how our government officials treat citizens all the time. It just takes a case like this for that fact to become obvious to people that those who are set out to protect us act like they we lived in a Communist Dictatorship. And then it turns around and gives those who are doing their job fairly and accurately a bad name.
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WildGod
God Is Dead
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NYC
| Ok why the VCR? lol "The police left with 8 computers, a VCR, 4 monitors, 6 keyboards, 7 mice, 24 copies of my book on CD ROM, the Cable modem, a linksys Cable modem Router, an ATMEL Smart Card Writer, 4 Smart Cards, 3 DVD+RW Discs and some Misc. Cords. 2 legitimate copies of Windows XP, and 1 Visual Studio Enterprise. "
Can someone explain why they would take anything but the PCs and modems?
What the hell would they need the VCR for? | |
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Go Chargers7
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Huntington Beach, CA | Re: Ok why the VCR? lol So all those Rambo wanna-bes can watch COPS reruns.
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| | | michaelschafer
join:2000-03-26
Greenwood, IN
| Re: Ok why the VCR? lol Ok, complete guess here... since he's working on streaming media, there is a chance he had a video capture card in one of the PCs and had the VCR hooked to it.
14 years ago, my younger brother was busted for credit card fraud. He was using his Commodore 64 to dial into the credit reporting company computers and looking up people's credit histories to get their credit card information and then using it to mail order stuff.
When the police came, they took his computer, the disk drives, all the disks, the 14" Sony color TV that he used a monitor, the modem, the phone that was connected to the modem, the phone cord that connected the modem to the wall jack, the surge suppressor that everything was plugged into, the desk lamp that was plugged into the surge suppressor and pretty much anything else they were interested in. He had one of those little FM radio/clocks that looks like a tiny computer - they took that, too.
And they didn't restrict their seizures to his stuff, they also took the phone from my bedroom (*shrug*) a portable terminal that I owned, an oscilloscope and Lord only knows what else. They spent hours boxing up stuff and carrying it out of the house, but of course we weren't allowed to be present during this, nor did they provide us with a list of items that they took.
Over a year later after the court case was resolved did they bother to return anything. He got back the PC, the TV, the disk drive and several boxes of miscellaneous crap that must have looked incriminating (scraps of paper with phone numbers written on them, etc). He didn't get the disks back, nor did he get the game cheat cartridge that was plugged into the back of his C-64. We also lost the phones, the portable terminal, oscilloscope and other high dollar items. When we inquired about the items, we were told that they had been donated, never to be seen again.
He had to pay restitution for most of the stolen items, but the police department didn't have to pay us for any of the items they 'stole' from us. | |
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cyberthugin
join:2002-03-12
Kew Gardens, NY
| Re: Ok why the VCR? lol Damn that sucks to have been taken of all that stuff.
I would suggest next time, to have some type of insurance on these items, this way the insurance company can issue you a check for the stolen items they took, because if I pay for something and someone else does not give back the equipment, basically the items are considered stolen, technically. But Overall that was wrong for the law enforcement agents to come in and take his stuff like a criminal, you got these rapist, drug dealers, robbers that they should be better off getting instead. Just shows you in what world we are living, that is soon to come, no privacy and freedom. | |
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paulinkc
join:2000-12-30
Lees Summit, MO
·AT&T Yahoo
| Re: Ok why the VCR? lol I don't think any insurance company would accept such a claim for the simple fact this was a law enforcement seizure... maybe I'm wrong but it would be like Jimmy The Tulip getting the insurance company to accept a claim on his car being "donated" because he was involved in a drive by?
I dunno, maybe I'm totally wrong here...... | |
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beeman65
join:2001-07-23
Mckeesport, PA
| [QUOTE=michaelschaferHe had to pay restitution for most of the stolen items, but the police department didn't have to pay us for any of the items they 'stole' from us. [/QUOTE
What garbage. What kind of punishment is that?
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| | | | | michaelschafer
join:2000-03-26
Greenwood, IN
| Re: Ok why the VCR? lol said by beeman65 :
What garbage. What kind of punishment is that?
I left out the part where he served 4+ years in prison, an equal number of years on probation and has multiple felony convictions on his record for the rest of his life.
There, now do you feel better? | |
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GlobalMind
Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy
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join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL | LOL, I was wondering the same thing....really stuck out as a WTF???
K. | |
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Elf Wizard
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Mullica Hill, NJ | if you know their coming remove the parts from the PC and fill it with rocks! just some humor on how dumb the feds can be at times....
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St0ney
join:2001-02-25
uranus | probably sell it on ebay. | |
| | DSL Oberst
join:2001-11-29
| said by WildGod :
Can someone explain why they would take anything but the PCs and modems?
What the hell would they need the VCR for?
Standard procedure for goverment agents working on an internet-related case. See the confiscations made by the Secret Service during Operation Sundevil for more examples of it. Or, try the case of Steve Jackson Games vs. Secret Service - that's a fairly famous one.
I believe their contention is that anything electronic can be used for hacking purposes, and so they confiscate almost all electronic items as evidence. | |
| | metallist
join:2002-12-18
New Milford, NJ | Believe it or not you CAN RECORD DATA using your VCR! | |
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DarkFiber1
A T T Support
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join:2001-12-30
Saint Charles, MO | Re: Ok why the VCR? lol sue cisco for providing you those "easily" accessed config file. | |
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take my junk
@mindspring.com | My wife would insist they take all the spare part junk 8088/80286/80386/80486 pc's/case/keyboards and other associated parts from the garage. They better bring a 40'ft box truck though. | |
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Speedy8
Premium
join:2002-08-22
Alliance, OH
clubs: | Damn, if they seized all electronic items in my house I would have nothing left but furniture. ;p | |
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Steve
I'm a PC, so shut up
Consultant
join:2001-03-10
Yorba Linda, CA
| said by WildGod :
Can someone explain why they would take anything but the PCs and modems?
When computer raids are done, they take everything that has wires or batteries or magmedia. Part of it is the legitimate concern that if they miss something important - which might be unknown early in the case - it surely won't be there when they return for it later.
There is also the dreaded "Civil Asset Forfeiture", where your stuff can be taken and not returned even if you're not charged with a crime. What happens is that the stuff is charged with the crime (literally: "United States -vs- One Dell Computer", and you don't have standing to get counsel for your computer.
What happens if they keep all the stuff? The chief of police gets a new computer.
Really (speaking generally about CAF, not about this case in particular)
Steve
P.S. - I'll make it an aside that "It's not against the TOS" is just what we hear from the guy who did the uncapping. It's a good bet that Buckeye feels differently, and my guess is that if you read the fine print they'll end up prevailing.
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DarkFiber1
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Saint Charles, MO | Re: Ok why the VCR? lol Can I sue my computer? Damm thing locks up all the time, I deserve pain & suffering restitution. | |
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DarkFiber1
A T T Support
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Saint Charles, MO
| and. . . Cant believe that this is "prohibited use", wonder what they would do if I tuned in my girlfriend.
"Prohibited Uses
User may not:
restrict or inhibit any other user from using and enjoying the Internet;"
Source: TOS : »www.buckeyeweb.com/terms.asp | |
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Kraphty
Lost In Translation
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join:2002-10-14
Chile
clubs:
| I Know it is a bit late butI will add my 2 bits(inflation) anyway. If you notice that an Atmel programmer and 3 smart cards were also confiscated. I would say that Dave(DTV) was involved with a theft of service charge of thier own for him. There is probably more to the story here than this guy stated. I will agree that the "officers" overstepped thier bounds walking in after being told no without producing the warrant first.
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cowboybob
join:2002-09-20
| Prohibited Uses
User may not:
restrict or inhibit any other user from using and enjoying the Internet;
attempt to defeat any idle timer or system tool intended to enforce the part-time and personal nature of User's connection, including the use of pingbots and other methods of avoiding timing disconnection;
post or transmit any unlawful, threatening, abusive, libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, profane, or otherwise objectionable information of any kind, including without limitation any transmissions constituting or encouraging conduct that would constitute a criminal offense, give rise to civil liability, or otherwise violate any local, state, national or international law, including without limitation the U.S. export control laws and regulations;
post or transmit any information or software which contains a virus, cancelbot, trojan horse, worm or other harmful component;
post, publish, transmit, reproduce, distribute or in any way exploit any information, software or other material obtained through the Service for commercial purposes (other than as expressly permitted by the provider of such information, software or other material);
upload, post, publish, transmit, reproduce, or distribute in any way, information, software or other material obtained through the Service which is protected by copyright, or other proprietary right, or derivative works with respect thereto, without obtaining permission of the copyright owner or rightholder;
upload, post, publish, transmit, reproduce, transmit or distribute in any way any component of the Service itself or derivative works with respect thereto;
send unsolicited advertising or promotional materials to other network users (SPAM and UCE); *See Appendix A
allow users to run Maillist, Listserv or any form of auto-responds from User's account;
run or activate processes while User is not logged in;
violate the security of any computer network, crack passwords or security encryption codes, transfer or store illegal material including that deemed threatening or obscene, or engage in any kind of illegal activity; such as denial of service attacks and ping floods.
violate any of the rules, regulations and policies of those networks and computer systems accessed via User's account.
BUCKEYEWEB has no obligation to monitor the Service. However, User agrees that BUCKEYEWEB has the right to monitor the Service electronically from time to time and to disclose any information as may be necessary to satisfy any law, regulation or other governmental request, to operate the Service properly, or to protect itself or its subscribers. BUCKEYEWEB will not intentionally monitor or disclose any private E-mail message unless required by law. BUCKEYEWEB reserves the right to refuse to post or to remove any information or materials, in whole or in part, that, in its sole and absolute discretion, are unacceptable, undesirable, or in violation of this Agreement. BUCKEYEWEB reserves the right to suspend access to the Service for User's account. The account's suspension may be rescinded within the sole and absolute discretion of BUCKEYEWEB following payment of a reconnection charge, to be determined by BUCKEYEWEB in its sole and absolute discretion. "Like all services, BUCKEYEWEB reserves the right to refuse [custom domain] service if we think that its intended usage may be illegal or harmful to BUCKEYEWEB or the rest of the net."
BUCKEYEWEB reserves the right to monitor a suspected violating User's connection for throughput to determine if said User is in violation of this agreement. If said User is found to be in violation of this agreement, User will be warned of the violation and will be offered a dedicated dial-up connection for the standard price of $60 per month. If User is found again, to be in violation of this agreement, User's account will be immediately terminated with NO REFUND of previously paid fees.
Failure to Comply With Terms and Conditions
BUCKEYEWEB may deny User access to all or part of the Service without notice if User engages in any conduct or activities that BUCKEYEWEB in its sole discretion believes violates any of the terms and conditions in this Agreement. If BUCKEYEWEB denies User access to the Service because of such a violation, User shall have no right (1) to access through BUCKEYEWEB any materials stored on the Internet, (2) to obtain any credit(s) otherwise due to User, and such credit(s) shall be forfeited, (3) to access third party services, merchandise or information on the Internet through BUCKEYEWEB and BUCKEYEWEB shall have no responsibility to notify any third-party providers of services, merchandise or information nor any responsibility for any consequences resulting from lack of notification.
BUCKEYEWEB may modify this Agreement from time to time by placing a notice of such modification at »www.buckeyeweb.com/tech_support/bucktos.htm, and User's continued use of the Service following notice of such modification shall be deemed to be User's acceptance of any such modification. It is User's responsibility to check this online area regularly to determine whether this Agreement has been modified. If User does not agree to any modification of this Agreement, User must immediately stop using the Service
ok having read the whole thing very carefully I have copied the parts I think might have bearing. basically what it says is that they cannot change the ToS without posting it on the website. (So no at will changing)
if they catch you in violation they must warn you once and offer you another package.
thirdly the worse that they can do to you according to this is term your service.
lastly it says the contract is goverened by ohio law, so are there any laws against uncapping in ohio? | |
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rds24a
Teach Your Children
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Springboro, OH
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·RoadRunner Cable
| Another POV Not that I'm disagreeing that this guy is taking an undue beating, how is this different from breaking into your cable NID and taking off the pay channel filters? They can prosecute for that...I imagine the law is probably written as "theft of cable services" and they're trying to apply cable TV law to cable 'Net service.
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ROCINANTE 2112
Original Member 007
join:1999-06-29
Hartsdale, NY
clubs: | Bad Move It's not a good idea to be a wiseass to the authorities when they have a search warrant. This is probably one of the reasons they threw the book at him and made an example out of him.
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mikeurl
join:2002-06-26
Whitestone, NY
| Re: Bad Move said by ROCINANTE 2112 :
It's not a good idea to be a wiseass to the authorities when they have a search warrant. This is probably one of the reasons they threw the book at him and made an example out of him.
Dude, there was an army there. Do you think if he was nice that they would have turned around and went home? They had the game plan all set up before they even arrived. | |
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TransitMan
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join:2000-09-05
Dayton, OH
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| The cops/FBI were the wise acres.
They asked to come in, and were told no.
They forced their way in, and were asked to leave.
They were asked one more time, and then, only after the army of cops had come through the door did they say they had a warrant to search the premises. And only for those items related to him, not his room-mates. However, as we all have seen, they did not care one way or another. And they never will.
If a cop or federal agent come to my home wanting in, unless they have been called to my place by me, they are requested to produce a warrant. Otherwise, they run the risk of violating my civil rights to unlawful search and seizures.
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| | Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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Mullica Hill, NJ
| cops are required to produce a badge and the warrent before entering. otherwise they can freeze on the front step while you call the state police and claim theres someone faking to be a cop trying to enter your house.
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| timoteo21
join:2002-05-14
Los Angeles, CA
| Some examples are needed to counteract the general attitude on the Internet that if something is possible it's okay. If I see the door of someone's house is open, it doesn't mean I can walk in and rummage through their stuff and then expect that if I am caught they will just say "please give back my things and leave." | |
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MortySnerd
join:2001-07-26
Mclean, VA
| I can *just* barely manage some sympathy Obviously, the police are way, way out of line, and their actions are sign of how "computer crime" and other things they'll never understand will be handled from now on.
But when I talk to technicians on these forums and they tell me "Well, your node is only 55% full, but because of uncappers you're still getting 17% packet loss and those high pings" (Note: the technicians on this board are trustworthy and usually tell it straight, so I believe that statement) it makes it really, really difficult to gather sympathy for this guy!
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IanR
join:2001-03-22
Madison, NJ
| Speed 64/8K?? He says his broadband service gave him 64/8K speeds????
How come it can be called broadband.? I thought it had to be 384 down minimum to be called this?
Basically what we see is a guy being railroaded into settling for a minor misdemeanor Offence while under the potential threat of being charged with a Felony, if he didn't settle. Well that's how it looks.
That's what is wrong here. I am no legal expert to say whether what he did was right or wrong, legal or illegal. But the system heavily pushes people to settle with a guilty plea, rather than risk the huge weight of the legal system. Understandable when 11 officers time is spent in the original arrest. So you get the picture that the person is alone against the full weight of the law.
What we don't have here is a clear picture of whether Buckeye's actions constituted a crime, by possibly making up evidence re their cost of providing the temporary uncapped service. | |
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Go Chargers7
Fa Shizzle Ma Nizzle
Premium
join:2002-09-24
Huntington Beach, CA
| Re: Speed 64/8K?? What law though? These bullies are like the IRS. Sure, he could get off because no crime has been committed, but who the hell is going to pay for the defense. The gov't has an unlimited supply of taxpayer money to waste on this while the innocent have limited resources. They NEED him to settle since they would lose in court...which is why the lawyer type is fighting it.
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Go Chargers7
Fa Shizzle Ma Nizzle
Premium
join:2002-09-24
Huntington Beach, CA
| What about CISCO If he is guity for Theft of Service, than CISCO is guilty of the same...for assisting by making available a config file that is an uncapper. They knew when they posted it is would "uncap" a cable modem. If they're going to bust black box guys...why don't those big shots go after Cisco? Perhaps they know they would get their asses kicked.
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belushi
Premium,MVM
join:2000-11-08
Twinsburg, OH | Re: What about CISCO Your reasoning is ludicrous. | |
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Go Chargers7
Fa Shizzle Ma Nizzle
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Huntington Beach, CA | Re: What about CISCO Exactly. Going after Cisco is just as crazy as going after this guy.
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Microhard3
join:2001-08-03
Huntington Beach, CA
| Re: Broadband is defined by the FCC Why can't you be smart with a cop, after all he is my servant and he should be protecting me and serving me...right? People in the gov think they are some how royalty, you must feel very grateful to have an audience with the president. BAH...in the old times you could walk into the White House and shake hands with the President and talk to him about your issues. After all...he is there to serve us right? Cops are glorified security guards, and I can talk to them when ever and how ever I want with out using profanity, and I can question their motives and morals as well.
Here is a fun way to have fun with a cop. All police take an oath when they join the force not unlike the military, "to protect the Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic." It might be a little different from place to place but generally the underlining tone of protecting the constitution is in there. Then when talking to a "Law Enforcement Officer" (think about that...research what they use to be) ask him do you know what the 8th, 10th, 13th, or the 7th amendment's to the Constitution are? Didn't you take an oath to protect it and how would you know how to protect me if you do not know what those are. Always gets them to thinking, I mean you did take an oath... | |
| | vic102482
Premium
join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD
| Yeah I agree that having a business in the home then using "inderground" techniques was not of the best descision. As far as cops go, they walk around with dildos up their asses all day anyways, I like the fact that he got smart.
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JacksGhost
Got Bottle?
join:2002-12-29
Buffalo, NY
| ... Everyone talks about the Gestapo, The Government and the examples being set..
Let no-one forget, Uncapping degrades the service for others. By doing something as such , it may NOT be criminal, but its a hell of a thing to do to your neighbors who pay the same bills as ourselves.
This gentleman may have been made into an example, but rightly so. He uncapped and opened pandoras box for himself. | |
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OrigZaphod042
Didn't You Hear? I Come In Six Packs Now
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join:2001-07-22
Round Lake, IL
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| Re: ... said by JacksGhost :
Let no-one forget, Uncapping degrades the service for others. By doing something as such , it may NOT be criminal, but its a hell of a thing to do to your neighbors who pay the same bills as ourselves.
How so? By that reasoning, If I decided to not uncap and just pay for the extra service, they would bump my line up to what every speed I upgraded to, No NEW hardware would be installed, NO NEW lines run, No No, just the same line, same pipe, differnt config, So by your reasoning, that in itself would degrade your service...
Which with cable being a shared pipe, it does anyway.
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rtcpenguin
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join:2001-01-21
Fairfax, VA | That is some major BS Raped by the FBI for not doing anything illegal?.
Someone should point to FBI and Buckeye cable to this article...morons... | |
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blackeyes0
Premium
join:2002-10-10
Nepean, ON
| uncapping Whether the man is innocent or not, the legal system is right or wrong or whether the case has any legal merit, the fact that this has happened is going to stir up the uncapping community. Users will definitely have second thoughts about uncapping their modems. I can also see more ISP's because of the outcome of this case, coming after uncappers themselves. If your uncapping and you see several men(and women)walking up your driveway, say goodbye to your lifestyle.:[
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St0ney
join:2001-02-25
uranus | Re: uncapping I would just break out my machine gun if that ever happens.
ah, but if only i had a gun. | |
| | IanR
join:2001-03-22
Madison, NJ
| How many people are still downloading free music despite Police actions against individuals and colleges?
I don't think high profile cases help stop any behavior. Simply put people say. The chances of my being hit on by the Police are so small...until the "unlucky" person is hit upon.
My real problem with the case is that "IF" he was getting such lousy speeds from the ISP and "IF" he had a history of complaining before uncapping. It would seem "offsetting fouls".
Uncapping isn't fair to other users particularly on a Cable Internet system, so don't get me wrong I don't support it. But the poor service and poor speeds often provided (I call it crippled broadband) can lead to users attempting self remedies when they cannot get satisfaction.
This whole case "could" backfire on the Police/FBI and Buckeye "IF" one of the defendants takes it to court and makes an aggressive defence. Then pandora's box could be opened..... | |
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GlobalMind
Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy
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join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL
| How about this.... So, from the sounds of it Buckeye Cable's ownership pretty much does what they wish, and has plenty of local politicos and police on their side.
They know the uncappers are out there...and interestingly enough, one of them is this fellow they dispise -- George Runner.
They figure this is the perfect opportunity to nail this fellow to the wall, since he's been a thorn in their side. So, to make sure that they don't look like they are singling him out...they apply the same pressure to everyone.
Governments love to seize goods, and sell them. Brandon could have been completely innocent of everything and bets are he still wouldn't have gotten anything (or very little) returned.
In the end, I don't know what kind of cash he had...but I would think the wiser move would have been to order his own T1 if he's going to operate the business from his condo. I assume he worked through the tech aspects of the poor connection with Buckeye -- who probably didn't care.
Overall, the uncapping was not the smartest choice in the world...but even still, this level of treatment was not warranted.
K.
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join:2002-11-20
Sylvania, OH
| Re: How about this.... You are half right.
We moved in to the condo in march. In april they started constrcution and that is what caused the cable to be unusable. I couldn't get a t1 pulled until the construction was done, and getting wireless took time. I was already being forced to use a modem portions of the day.
The risk seemed negligible at the time.
I run out of the condo because clients don't visit me. I only use the net for e-mail, and minor downloads. We fed ex stuff between locations. | |
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landry98
join:2001-08-31
Red Stick | How about this.... Any truth to the rumor that Det Beavers will resign to accept a position as chief of security for Block family? | |
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Brooklyn, NY |  umm we shoudl all donate
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
| Why can't the cable company be liable? If you get less speeds than advertised, shouldn't the FBI be at the ISP's doorstep to arrest them for stealing from its customers? If I took more then I'm in trouble. If I don't receive full speeds than that means the ISP is stealing the extra bandwidth that I pay for. WHy doesn't the FBI arrest people at the ISP? | |
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