careywb
join:2001-07-14
Chesapeake, VA | Hit 'em where it Hurts = how to stop this nonsense
The way to stop this is to boycott new CD purchases. Just a few months of living without, and, bada bada, bing...end of copy protection. |
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Nero534
join:2001-10-12
South Bend, IN | Pissed
I dont own an I-MAC but if I EVER put a commerical cd in my PC and it destroyes my firmware, u can make for DAMN sure SONY or who every put the protection will be buying me a new computer. |
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mags2
Agent Provocateur
join:2001-07-19
SoCal
|  said by Nero534:
I dont own an I-MAC but if I EVER put a commerical cd in my PC and it destroyes my firmware, u can make for DAMN sure SONY or who every put the protection will be buying me a new computer.
Sounds like a plan but a few minor details you may want to consider: 1)who ya gonna call if/when that new CD crashes & burns your firmware? Just for kicks & chuckles why dontcha call Sony's 800# and determine how long you're on hold and how much of a run around theyre going to give you for any kind of service, not just calling to complain about a CD and demand the company purchase a new pc for you.
People spout off until it comes time to put action behind words and Sony knows that it can just blow off threats like yours. Anyone who has ever had to contact any company's customer service department can easily and without the slightest hesitation attest to that.
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amoiseyev
Went For Beer
join:2000-11-14
Worcester, MA
| reply to Nero534
said by Nero534:
I dont own an I-MAC but if I EVER put a commerical cd in my PC and it destroyes my firmware, u can make for DAMN sure SONY or who every put the protection will be buying me a new computer.
Well, it's very uncertain. They wrote "will not work on computer" on the label and DID NOT put "CD-audio" logo on the disk, so you can't state that they sold you a CD.
The fact, that some 5.25" round piece of glass causes your computer to die doesn't mean that manufacturer of this piece is at fault.
It's more likely if you put metal cup in microwave oven to reheat something - microwave will blow out and nobody is at fault but you.
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cprgolds
Woof Woof
Premium
join:2000-12-22
Portland, OR
|  reply to careywb
Would It Really Do Any Good???
I agree with careywb in theory. But in all practicality, the people who would boycott CD purchases (or even know enough to boycott them) are a small fraction of the buyers and SONY would probably never feel the impact.
Having said that, I personally will not knowingly buy CD's with this copy protection just like I won't buy things from companies that litter my internet sessions with popups and popunders! |
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methuselah1879
join:2001-03-06
Groton, CT
clubs: 
| reply to Nero534
Re: Pissed
Here's a way to solve that problem entirely. Absolutely, positively, without fail, REFUSE to purchase any of their products. Not only that, write an editorial, contact the States AG, the BBB, anyone who'll listen.
Personally, I say F*** YOU SONY! This just ensures that I will never buy one of their products ever again. As a matter of fact, I can't remember the last time i even wanted to buy, and / or listen to a CD, what with the tripe they're putting out now.
Also, if enough people have that CD frag their firmware, I would be really amused to see a class-action brought to bear on $ony for replacement pcs...
Piss on them...and their electronics too. 
Peace
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careywb
join:2001-07-14
Chesapeake, VA | reply to cprgolds
Re: Would It Really Do Any Good???
I hear ya....but, more and more people are running CDs in their computer these days. If dissatisfaction grows large enough, there could be an impact. I, personnaly, wouldn't rule this out...small waves CAN sometime turn into large swells. |
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Armada1
Heat Miser
join:2001-05-16
Chicago, IL
| reply to amoiseyev
Re: Pissed
said by amoiseyev:
Well, it's very uncertain. They wrote "will not work on computer" on the label and DID NOT put "CD-audio" logo on the disk, so you can't state that they sold you a CD.
Nope, courts follow the walks like a duck, and talks like a duck rule... If they sell it in the CD section, in a CD box, and marketed just like a CD, no fine print will get them off the hook. |
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amoiseyev
Went For Beer
join:2000-11-14
Worcester, MA
| reply to cprgolds
Re: Would It Really Do Any Good???
said by cprgolds:
small fraction of the buyers and SONY would probably never feel the impact.
I think that Sony will see the impact of their own actions: "protected CDs" will cause decrease in sales ( and increase in piracy ) for the few obvious reasons:
1. Computer users will not buy "protected CDs" because they are useless for them;
2. Some (small amount, but few) people will just boycott these CDs;
3. Some "advanced users" will buy the CD, make a copy for themselves and for sharing and return "corrupted cd" back to the store and get full refund;
4. Real pirates (who made unlicensed copies by thousands in Bulgaria and China) will get a virtually "competition-free" market, where nobody legally offer "real CD" with the same content;
5. A lot of customers who care about their money more than about copyright laws will prefer to buy pirated CD, copy it or download the music instead of buying perfectly legal disk that will not play in the car audio or portable cd-player.
I think with all these 5 Sony will have to admit than sales of these protected CDs are noticeable less than they would be without protection.
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Roundboy
Premium
join:2000-10-04
Drexel Hill, PA
| This is funny
I always hear commercials for the Sony cd player that makes 'one button' copies of cd's for your music...
Sony wants piracy stopped, but they sell you even easier methods of copying?
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amoiseyev
Went For Beer
join:2000-11-14
Worcester, MA
| reply to Armada1
Re: Pissed
said by Armada1:
If they sell it in the CD section, in a CD box, and marketed just like a CD, no fine print will get them off the hook.
Yes, it looks like CD - that's all. They removed a logo, print a label and few articles mention that they always use words "disk" or "music disk" instead of "CD" or "audio CD" in their marketing materials. Sony and others already have a warning from Philips that they illegally use term "CD-audio" with protected CDs that do not met red-book-specs, so I'm sure Sony is prepared and noone can prove that they "market them as CDs".
If they are sold in CD-section, THAT may be a misrepresentation, but in this case it's a reseller fault. So, instead of a case "world vs. Sony" you'll get a case "John Doe vs. KMart" that will not hurt Sony.
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GlobalMind
Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy
Premium
join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL
| reply to Armada1
Unfortunately Sony is following the "tough crap" rule.
If you tried to play it in a PC then obviously you are trying to pirate it, so to hell with you. They make no apologies for them crashing a PC. Their statements back up the claim that they simply don't care as they think they are fighting a "war" on piracy.
Now I ask, if they are all about the artist getting paid, and the presence of copy protection kills sales of a disc, and therefore their profits as well as the artist's cut, would they take notice?
K.
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amoiseyev
Went For Beer
join:2000-11-14
Worcester, MA
| reply to Roundboy
Re: This is funny
said by Roundboy:
Sony wants piracy stopped, but they sell you even easier methods of copying?
Sony wants money... Looks nice - they sell you a CD copier twice more expensive than normal player and they are not going to sell you CDs that you can copy on it - what a way to do business... 
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cdgreer
Hoosiers
join:2002-01-03
Columbus, IN
|  Here's the bottom line...
Alot of people use their computers to play audio cd's that they have purchased, me included... there's nothing illegal about that. If I put a cd in my pc and it does physical damage to my machine...that is no different than someone creating a virus that does destructive damage. That my friends.... is Illegal. |
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amoiseyev
Went For Beer
join:2000-11-14
Worcester, MA
| reply to GlobalMind
Re: Pissed
said by GlobalMind:
If you tried to play it in a PC then obviously you are trying to pirate it, so to hell with you...
Their statements back up the claim that they simply don't care as they think they are fighting a "war" on piracy.
Ok, what if I just wanted to play music and did not notice the fine print label?
It may be not the argument for the court, but from the moral point of view what they do is a lie and smells bad.
As to "war on piracy", see my other post in this thread - I'm sure this will increase the piracy instead of stopping it. If I play music only on PC, and they do not sell "normal CDs" that I can play, I have NO WAY but get pirated copy (if I want to listen it, of course).They make it not the question "buy legal or pirate", but plain "listen or not" for many of computer users. The result is obvious - many people who (for any reason) have never used illegal copies will be forced to do that - and Sony calls it "a war on piracy?"
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amoiseyev
Went For Beer
join:2000-11-14
Worcester, MA
| reply to cdgreer
Re: Here's the bottom line...
said by cdgreer:
If I put a cd in my pc and it does physical damage to my machine...that is no different than someone creating a virus that does destructive damage. That my friends.... is Illegal.
Only if it was done intentionally. If it's just compatibility problem....
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Anything that can go wrong will go wrong. - Murphy's law |
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cdgreer
Hoosiers
join:2002-01-03
Columbus, IN | Exactly my point.... if it was done intentionally... that's illegal. |
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methuselah1879
join:2001-03-06
Groton, CT
clubs:
| reply to Nero534
Re: Pissed
quote:
Unfortunately Sony is following the "tough crap" rule.
If you tried to play it in a PC then obviously you are trying to pirate it, so to hell with you. They make no apologies for them crashing a PC. Their statements back up the claim that they simply don't care as they think they are fighting a "war" on piracy
And i suggest that we retaliate with the "tough crap" consumer rule. What we should do is refuse to support -- financially, morally, etc -- anything that $ony sells, produces, has a hand in, contributes to, donates to, markets, steals, you get my drift. And that means anything! Now this would involve actually using your consumer brain, and doing some research before you go out and impulsively buy that fancy-schmancy stereo receiver, or that very nifty laptop with the little camera built into it. I realize that for today's modern american, using the brains for something other than a filtration device for the pabulum and sputum that comes streaming in from the "idiot box" is quite a hassle, but bear with it.
The ONLY way we as consumers can put an end to this tripe is to let these corporate monoliths know that we're not going to stand for their overt tactics at screwing us out of our hard earned money; and the only way to do that? DON'T BUY ANYTHING THEY MAKE! Buying a WEGA TV and then bitching about a copy-protection scheme built into it is a bit retarded, don't you think?
Moreover, who the hell listens to Celine Dion anyway?!?!?!
Peace - and $ony, M$, etc - go screw yourselves, you won't get my dollars!
Peace again
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amoiseyev
Went For Beer
join:2000-11-14
Worcester, MA
| reply to cdgreer
Re: Here's the bottom line...
said by cdgreer:
if it was done intentionally...
I don't think so... All they do is to force CD-reader firmware to go in infinite loop, so you have to use "paper clip hole" to eject the CD. The only problem that iMAc doesn't have this hole so you have to open the box to remove the CD.I doubt it can be classified as "intentional damage".
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hurleyp
join:2000-06-20
Ottawa, ON | Playing Celine Dion trashes your machine?
Do I have to say more?
Paul |
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