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| I'm a criminal, huh? Well the handwriting has been on the wall for quite a while, but its perfectly clear now.. We're all criminals according to the government if we want to use OUR PROPERTY AS WE SEE FIT.. Trolls, I don't mean copywrite infringment, I mean making copies of DVD we purchase for archival/backup. I have kids, I'll be G-D'ed if I'm gonna let the kids greasy finger anywhere close to my DVD collection, which is why they get a nice copy of the DVD to play on *their* DVD player.. I'm gonna go on record here.. F-U Goverment, wholly owned and operated by the RIAA/MPAA... | |
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| Re: I'm a criminal, huh? Frankly, I don't give a rats-ass what they say.. as long as the copy of the DVD is FOR MY FAMILIES USE and NOT TO GIVE AWAY OR SELL, I'm gonna keep copying.. It's called Civil Disobedience, some of you may have heard of it.. Its used to protest stupid unfair laws like THIS ONE.. Try it, you might like it.. Of course it DOES require a backbone, something which I fear is sorely lacking in a lot of today's American people... | |
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Billings, MT | Re: I'm a criminal, huh? said by dfrandin:It's called Civil Disobedience, some of you may have heard of it.. Its used to protest stupid unfair laws like THIS ONE.. Try it, you might like it.. Of course it DOES require a backbone, something which I fear is sorely lacking in a lot of today's American people... Better be careful. They could invoke the Patriot Act and you'd be considered a "terrorist".
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Welcome to communism.
Communism would be if the government takes all copyrighted material and gives it away to the public for free. Not sure what definition of communism you're using.
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Sadly, all political systems suffer when you add people.
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kudos:8 | Re: I'm a criminal, huh? said by HeadSpinning:said by battleop:Communism is great until you add people. Then greed and laziness kicks in and it goes to he'll rather quickly.
Sadly, all political systems suffer when you add people. Yet Constitutional republics suffer the least, as safeguards are built in to protect the minority from the tyranny from the majority. Sadly, we have been careening towards a popular democracy for quite a while.
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kudos:20 | Re: I'm a criminal, huh? said by NeoandGeo:All movie watchers are suspected terrorists now, since they have the unskippable Dept. of Homeland Security slide in all movies now along with the FBI warning. ...unless you back up your DVDs using one of many programs which let you remove UOPs.
...oh wait, can't back up our DVDs any more. *hurr*
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| What you are doing is not Civil Disobedience. The whole idea of Civil Disobedience is to openly violate a law in front of the authorities, and force them to deal with you, to effect change. Ripping/cracking DVDs in your house with no one watching is nothing like Civil Disobedience. Don't glorify what you are doing.
If you really want to "show backbone" and "protest", set up your DVD burner on a table outside the US Copyright Office, and do your thing. | |
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If you really want to "show backbone" and "protest", set up your DVD burner on a table outside the US Copyright Office, and do your thing.
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| There are many definitions of 'civil disobedience' and one does not have to deal with the authorities in order for it to 'qualify'. Quietly ripping your DVDs when no one is looking wouldn't be civil disobedience but professing that you do it in a public forum would be. Sharing torrents is also a valid form of civil disobedience despite the fact that you are anonymous when doing it. Most would agree that the Boston Tea Party was an act of civil disobedience but they certainly didn't try to get caught.
Since you will not be arrested and, most likely, not even make the news there is no reason what so ever to set up your DVD burner table outside the copyright office. You would be much more effective in your civil disobedience by logically explaining to other people why the law is wrong and that you refuse to obey it. | |
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Chesterfield, MO | Curious ... why do you need a copy? While I've had DVDs I burned go bad (some el-cheapo disks are really el-cheapo), I've never had a DVD go bad.
My kids have abused their XBox discs to the point where it won't read them. I went to the auto store and purchased some polishing compound and after a bit of elbow grease they work perfectly.
Is the copy so two can watch the same movie at the same time in different rooms? | |
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Grand Forks Afb, ND | Re: I'm a criminal, huh? my kids have broken plenty of disks. can't buff them out when they decide to feed them to the toaster or watch the pretty sparks in hte microwave... (gonna kill that boy someday...) | |
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Billings, MT | Re: I'm a criminal, huh? said by bear73:my kids have broken plenty of disks. can't buff them out when they decide to feed them to the toaster or watch the pretty sparks in hte microwave... (gonna kill that boy someday...) Hahaha. Been there.. Still going through it. | |
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| Re: I'm a criminal, huh? I'm afraid you are mistaken in your reading of this. It says you are legally allowed to make a backup copy of software for archival purposes, basically in case the original is damaged so that you can reinstall the licensed software.
It does not cover making backup/archival copies of audio/video content (video DVDs). In fact it says exactly the opposite:
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Billings, MT | Re: I'm a criminal, huh? said by MyDogHsFleas:I'm afraid you are mistaken in your reading of this. It says you are legally allowed to make a backup copy of software for archival purposes, basically in case the original is damaged so that you can reinstall the licensed software.
It does not cover making backup/archival copies of audio/video content (video DVDs). In fact it says exactly the opposite:
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This privilege extends only to computer programs and not to other types of works.
Technically, a DVD is digital software running on a computerized device. Same can be said about Bluray due to Java applets being on the Bluray itself and players having the built-in Java software running it.
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kudos:1 | Re: I'm a criminal, huh? said by Simba7:said by MyDogHsFleas:I'm afraid you are mistaken in your reading of this. It says you are legally allowed to make a backup copy of software for archival purposes, basically in case the original is damaged so that you can reinstall the licensed software.
It does not cover making backup/archival copies of audio/video content (video DVDs). In fact it says exactly the opposite:
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Technically, a DVD is digital software running on a computerized device. Same can be said about Bluray due to Java applets being on the Bluray itself and players having the built-in Java software running it. pwoned
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| | | | | | | I just thought of a weird hypothetical scenario. Unless one can download music directly to an ipod/other mp3 player, then technically the music on the player is a copy of the original file, which is on one's pc, and would violate Section 117 of the Copyright Act. Technically, this would mean that the use of mp3 players would facilitate copyright infringment. I wonder if it would be possible to get Apple and other manufacturers of portable music devices to "persuade" (ie. sue) the appropriate parties to change this rule. I mean, Apple has a lot invested in the ipod, and if actually enforced, this rule could kill mp3 players. | |
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| Re: I'm a criminal, huh? said by whaaat :I just thought of a weird hypothetical scenario. Unless one can download music directly to an ipod/other mp3 player, then technically the music on the player is a copy of the original file, which is on one's pc, and would violate Section 117 of the Copyright Act. Technically, this would mean that the use of mp3 players would facilitate copyright infringment. I wonder if it would be possible to get Apple and other manufacturers of portable music devices to "persuade" (ie. sue) the appropriate parties to change this rule. I mean, Apple has a lot invested in the ipod, and if actually enforced, this rule could kill mp3 players.
No, Apple is not violating the Copyright Act, nor are Apple users who use Apple software/hardware to manage their content. Apple has agreements in place with the content owners, and also music has different rules from DVDs. For example, it is legal to rip a CD into iTunes and then download it to your iPod. | |
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| Re: I'm a criminal, huh? The practicalities are that if you, personally, use a DVD crack tool to make a copy of a personal DVD, no one is going to come arrest you. I'd liken this to not making a full stop at a stop sign, behind the white line, with the weight of the car coming to rest. Yes, it's against the law, but nothing like a priority for law enforcement.
That said, it's important to be aware that your actions actually are technically illegal, and not assume it's your RIGHT to pause-and-go at a stop sign, or to crack your DVDs. This will give you the appropriate attitude when doing these things.
It's important to live in reality and realize that the only thing you own as property is the physical DVD. You do not own the content, it's licensed to you. Now, what you do with that information is up to you. | |
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Glen Head, NY | said by dfrandin:We're all criminals according to the government if we want to use OUR PROPERTY AS WE SEE FIT.. That is basically the point. The government has very little control over its citizens unless they break the laws and become known to "the system". It is actually in the governments best interest to get people to break laws in order to have reason to monitor and control them. The worst citizen from the governments perspective would be a person who breaks no laws, has no internet presence and has no licenses or permits for anything. Think Ted Kaczynski living in the woods but without his illegal behavior; basically dropping off the grid. They don't like that.
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| Re: I'm a criminal, huh? said by n2jtx:said by dfrandin:We're all criminals according to the government if we want to use OUR PROPERTY AS WE SEE FIT.. That is basically the point. The government has very little control over its citizens unless they break the laws and become known to "the system". It is actually in the governments best interest to get people to break laws in order to have reason to monitor and control them. The worst citizen from the governments perspective would be a person who breaks no laws, has no internet presence and has no licenses or permits for anything. Think Ted Kaczynski living in the woods but without his illegal behavior; basically dropping off the grid. They don't like that. Yikes. I think you have some idea that the government is a lot smarter and more observant than they really are. Do you really think anyone in the government gives a crap if you DON'T violate laws, or if you DON'T live "on the grid"? They have enough trouble trying to do what they are supposed to do. | |
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The government may or may not care if we're all copyright infringers, but the big content providers would love it if they could consider every person an infringer by default. Then they'd "speak" to our elected officials and use their "voices" to get laws passed to require us to automatically pay them fees for our horrible infringement.
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kudos:1 | Re: I'm a criminal, huh? said by Jason Levine:The government may or may not care if we're all copyright infringers, but the big content providers would love it if they could consider every person an infringer by default. Then they'd "speak" to our elected officials and use their "voices" to get laws passed to require us to automatically pay them fees for our horrible infringement. Already happens. Here in Canada they started charging fees on blank media and MP3 player storage under the assumption that it will be filled with pirated content.
There was a push to add a levy to internet for the same reason.
Exactly right about the government bending to the loud and powerful. You don't need to look further than this fresh new corrupt policy. Consumers had a bit of power when they could unlock their phones, and it is being snatched away. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: I'm a criminal, huh? said by pnjunction: Consumers had a bit of power when they could unlock their phones, and it is being snatched away.
I guess the check cleared
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kudos:1 | said by pnjunction:Already happens. Here in Canada they started charging fees on blank media and MP3 player storage under the assumption that it will be filled with pirated content.
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If anything, letting me rip my own DVD collection INCREASES the value of the DVD which means I'm more likely to buy more. I understand that they don't want to say "It's ok to download and upload rips", but there is a middle ground between "open season for all rip downloads" and "no rips for anyone."
So long as I don't share out the rips and delete the rips if I sell the DVD, I don't see how my DVD ripping costs them anything. (If anything, it gets them more sales as I'm willing to buy more DVDs.)
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Anybody who pays good money for an ebook, or DVD, and does not really own it, with rights to copy and archive the content, is crazy. DO NOT PAY ANYTHING for something where you don't really own the content! The same is true for any other media.
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rulemaking process was “not the forum in which to break new ground on the scope of fair use.”
They were talking about making a copy of a dvd to play on other devices , like converting a dvd to your phone,etc. That remains illegal. The copy must remain in the same format as it was purchased . | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Jailbreaking now legal under DMCA for smartphones Making unlocking illegal is just as dumb as making jailbreaking illegal. There is no difference there.
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Billings, MT | I'll hack *MY* equipment I paid for it, I damn will do whatever I want to it.
If I want to softmod an XBox (not a 360), I'll do it. They're not allowed on XBL anymore, so why not?
If I want to backup my DVD/BR collection so my kids won't trash the originals, I'll do it instead of spending more $$$ to get a new copy, only to have that one eventually trashed.
I'm stocking up on every recordable medium because they'll be the next to go. I'd suggest others do the same because they'll deem recordable media is as bad as meth.
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1 edit | I don't always swear when commenting on articles on DSLR ...but when I do... for fuck's sake, this is just out of hand. Who really cares?
So if I want to get a Galaxy S3, and ever hope to root it *legally* I'd better go get one soon.
My Moto, while the bootloader is locked, is at least rootable... Streaming music is otherwise unlistenable without a minor freaking CPU tweak that keeps the minimum a little faster than stock speed.
If people can't even tinker with their own stuff, that's just sad. Besides, don't we have bigger issues to worry about in these times??
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| pfffhhhhttt! Like that is going to stop anyone from jailbreaking or copying dvd's!
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| Business as usual ;) This really means nothing to those of us who already disregard the ridiculous DMCA & copyright laws. It's just another unenforceable law that somehow the businesses effected will try and impose 'needed oversight to protect their revenue'. I am just curious if you DO jailbreak (or unlock) your phone after in becomes illegal, have you 'stolen' anything? | |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: Business as usual ;) I have ignored the DMCA and I do not feel bad at all. Because in my own home the DMCA does not apply. US Copyright Law says I can make a personal copy.
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| Copyright law falls under tort (civil), however the US spun that off to it's own branch of law in the Reagan years. So it is it's own masochistic entity making up laws that violate social norms.
I'm sure that jailbreaking falls under DMCA circumvention clause, and that is where they are attaching to it.
So copyright law is civil in nature, theoretically meaning that if they are awarded damages it is for their "economic loss".
So what they are saying is that if you buy a phone postpaid, it is entirely up to the carrier if they will allow you to use it after said contract is up, and in what manner...effectively a license to use the phone by say Verizon.
Is that absurd? Yes. Can the government make up any law it wants, yes.
The issue w/ this is that since these laws make the entire population a scofflaw, the government can apply it's weight whenever and wherever it wants subjectively, which of course makes this a dictatorship, not a republic.
I know it's uncomfortable for people to live in a dictatorship, but that is where the US is headed. I've traveled many dozens of countries, and over time the population gets on with their life, and you see underground illegal trade thrive. So the more restrictive the laws, the less orderly society becomes... | |
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| said by elefante72:I know it's uncomfortable for people to live in a dictatorship, but that is where the US is headed. I've traveled many dozens of countries, and over time the population gets on with their life, and you see underground illegal trade thrive. So the more restrictive the laws, the less orderly society becomes...
That's why you have a cashless society it gets rid of all those pesky under ground transactions. Don't think the government wouldn't love to declare cash illegal. National security, counterfeiting, terrorism etc. will be citied. | |
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»www.loc.gov/about/librarianoffice/
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Chicago, IL | This very bad precedent. So now they are saying you cannot use your physical devices as you want to??
That makes no sense.
They should not be allowed to pick and choose what you can modify and what you cant.
If this stands then everything sold no matter what cannot be used for anything except what the manufacture pre-approves.
I also love how they say you cant jailbreak an ipad, but you can jailbreak an iphone.
They both are exactly the same device but the ipad has a larger screen. Contradictions like that are why this is BS. | |
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| mworks
join:2006-06-13
Faison, NC | Re: This very bad precedent. said by Oh_No 
They both are exactly the same device but the ipad has a larger screen. Contradictions like that are why this is BS.
[/BQUOTE :They don't get to decide that part, they only make rules about existing devices brought before the courts. They cannot just decide they will rule on everything electronic with a screen. Other courts decide what fits in what categories, not the copyright offices. | |
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So I'll be "breakin' the law, breakin' the law" while I'm "jailbreaking" my Android device(s)...?
what a joke.
I'm not an American, but so much for "Land of the free" | |
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| Simba7I Void Warranties
join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | Re: breakin' the law said by metalchef :I'm not an American, but so much for "Land of the free" Oh, we stopped being that for a little over a decade. | |
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join:2000-12-27
Glendale, AZ | Title is wrong... ...it should be the entire Federal government has become dumber.
We have a gov't that completely lacks ANY common sense. Time to vote all these career politicians out of office and get some fresh blood in there!!
This coming election, DO NOT vote for ANY incumbents.
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join:2002-08-12
Marietta, OH | Well then... That changes... NOTHING This is sick... I'm tired of other people telling me what I can and can't do with my purchased items. Get off the high-horse!! I have a collection of about 250 DVDs and 75% of those I have backed up.. Oh my!! | |
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|  MSaukMSaukPremium
join:2002-01-17
Sandy, UT | Re: Well then... That changes... NOTHING Wonder when it will be illegal to put different tires on your car, or a new improved exhaust or a better sound system, or a better instrument panel, or ..........
It is so stupid why things like a phone are protected like that yet other things are not. What's the difference between a phone and a car when it comes to making changes to it?
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| Simba7I Void Warranties
join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | Re: With any luck... said by severach:every congress critter will be in jail soon. One would only hope. | |
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Gami00
join:2010-03-11
Mississauga, ON | time to not let people "Buy" devices anylonger Since they're making it illegal to modify hardware you're fully paying for.. they should make selling all devices under these illegal as well.
All devices should only be rented now. | |
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| Re: time to not let people "Buy" devices anylonger said by Gami00:Since they're making it illegal to modify hardware you're fully paying for.. they should make selling all devices under these illegal as well.
All devices should only be rented now.
Holy dumb comment these companies would love a never ending rental. MS would love to rent you windows for ever and ever. Ipod??? Rental forever. Poor Apple what happens when you have enough music on your Ipod??? Monthly fee just to make sure Apple makes "their fair share".
$26 DVD burner??? Hell no, $10 a month for that baby since you use that for piracy. It's only fair. For that matter terrorist use DVD burners the NSA should get a cut of the monthly to keep you safe. On and ON. | |
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join:2010-03-11
Mississauga, ON | Re: time to not let people "Buy" devices anylonger said by Corehhi:said by Gami00:Since they're making it illegal to modify hardware you're fully paying for.. they should make selling all devices under these illegal as well.
All devices should only be rented now.
Holy dumb comment these companies would love a never ending rental. MS would love to rent you windows for ever and ever. Ipod??? Rental forever. Poor Apple what happens when you have enough music on your Ipod??? Monthly fee just to make sure Apple makes "their fair share". $26 DVD burner??? Hell no, $10 a month for that baby since you use that for piracy. It's only fair. For that matter terrorist use DVD burners the NSA should get a cut of the monthly to keep you safe. On and ON. Holy dumbest reply you could probably ever make..
they're not making your dvd burner illegal by changing firmware on it...
how about you rent an iphone4 with your service plan.. guess what.. after 5 months when the S# phone is out. switch to it.. no ETFs or any fees.. no full purchase price.. (the only ETF would be on the contract of the service, but nothing on the device anymore, since you won't be allowed to buy it, they can't stop you from switching at every new device release.
I would be changing phones and tablets every few months since there's no downside.. | |
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| Re: time to not let people "Buy" devices anylonger said by Gami00:said by Corehhi:said by Gami00:All devices should only be rented now.
Holy dumb comment these companies would love a never ending rental. Holy dumbest reply you could probably ever make.. they're not making your dvd burner illegal by changing firmware on it... how about you rent an iphone4 with your service plan.. guess what.. after 5 months when the S# phone is out. switch to it.. no ETFs or any fees.. no full purchase price.. (the only ETF would be on the contract of the service, but nothing on the device anymore, since you won't be allowed to buy it, they can't stop you from switching at every new device release. I would be changing phones and tablets every few months since there's no downside.. Fixed, I'm talking about his last comment about all hardware should be rented. Also I don't play the smart phone game I could care less about Iphones. | |
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skeechanAi OtsukaholicPremium
join:2012-01-26
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| Not immoral to violate an immoral law Don't reward them with a DVD purchase. If you are going to be a criminal anyway, you might as well save the $15 and put it toward a VPN service.
They bribed Congress to get this bill passed so I don't feel I'm under any moral obligation to follow it...legally sure...morally no. The DMCA is a law written by criminals (who took the bribes) to protect their criminal co-conspirators.
You watch this and then see if you think you are MORALLY obligated to obey this law.
»www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7387331n | |
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| and once again... the US Government leads itself towards a new revolution to get rid of theses corrupt politicians. I will continue to jailbreak my phones, backup my DVDs and digital media, and ignoring this pile of shit legislation called the DMCA. The DMCA is now so abused by the *AAs of the world, its to the point that normal people just don't give a flying fuck about it. | |
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