 Simba7I Void Warranties
join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | Duh.. They're expecting an unshielded copper pair to handle modern bandwidth demands?
It's rather obvious on why it can't handle squat. |
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 Black_MageMy backup spell is WarpPremium
join:2012-09-12
USA
kudos:1 | Happier With DSL I switched to DSL after moving. I had cable before. I get 12 Meg download speed and 768 K up. The speed is slightly faster for a couple bucks more than what I was paying for 10Meg Cable, and the huge advantage is my ping times in WoW have been cut by almost 50%. Makes cable look really bad. My only gripe is that both cable and DSL ISPs are stingy with upload speed. |
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| tss.. They oughta just get DSL or sumethin' I don't know.
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgang1izeh0 |
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 tschmidtPremium,MVM
join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
kudos:8
 ·G4 Communications
·Fairpoint Commun..
 ·Hollis Hosting
| DSL vs Cable I had been a fan of DSL years ago during the early rollout of high speed access.
However DSL is distance limited so without investment in remote terminals to reduce wire length typical phone loops are limited to a few megabits per second at best.
The holy grail is fiber to the premise (FTTP) but that will be a long time coming for most of us. I'm stuck at 3Mbp/s ADSL. Service is stable but it does limit how we can use our access.
/tom |
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| Stuck with 1.3 Mbps DSL here because of cost. Cable is too expensive to justify its monthly rate. |
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 lordfly
join:2000-10-12
Homestead, FL
 ·SkyNet360
| WISP kills DSL I had DSL and barely could get 1 meg downloads with pings >500. I really got pissed and AT&T did everything they could to re-tune the line, but I just live in an old neighborhood. We aren't even slated for Uverse it is so bad.
My WISP tower is only a couple of miles away and I get 10/3 speeds with 20ms pings. It works no matter what. Even when the wind gets up, it is raining really hard, and my transceiver is swinging back and forth in the wind I still get the same speeds. With DSL a little bit of wind or rain and it went to crap.
DSL is old technology that should go the way of dial-up.
Oh, and my cost is $40/mo flat. No taxes, fees or commitments. It is run by a local business so my money stays local. |
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 ·AT&T U-Verse
| reply to Simba7
Re: Duh.. " They're expecting an unshielded copper pair to handle modern bandwidth demands?"
The copper pair will only be unshielded in most cases the length of the drop from the terminal to house. Cable is shielded, or at least it always was during my almost 30 years with SWB/SBC/AT&T. |
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Simba7I Void Warranties
join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | reply to Black_Mage
Re: Happier With DSL said by Black_Mage:and the huge advantage is my ping times in WoW have been cut by almost 50%. Makes cable look really bad. That just made your comment invalid. |
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Simba7I Void Warranties
join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | reply to Austinloop
Re: Duh.. said by Austinloop:The copper pair will only be unshielded in most cases the length of the drop from the terminal to house. Cable is shielded, or at least it always was during my almost 30 years with SWB/SBC/AT&T. The problem is, most areas are still using the decades-old lines without hope of updating them or even checking on them for damage or signs of old age.
Most copper pairs are not certified for anything else besides voice, and even that is iffy.
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MyWS[PnmIIX3@3.2G,8G RAM,500G+1.5T+2T HDDs,Win7]
WifeWS[A64@2G,2G RAM,120G HDD,Win7]
Router[2xP3@1G,2G RAM,18G HDD,Allied Telesyn AT2560FX,2xDigital DE504,Sun X1034A,2xSun X4444A,SMC 8432BTA,Gentoo] |
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·AT&T U-Verse
| That wasn't what you said in your original statement. How would you suggest checking for damage on buried cables? Dig them up every how many years?
For example, the cable that serves my house was placed pre 1979 and has no problems. I get a full 25 meg profile on U-Verse. |
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 skeechanAi OtsukaholicPremium
join:2012-01-26
AA169|170
kudos:2
 ·Cox HSI
·Clear Wireless
| In other news, Sun rises in the East Anyone surprised? If DSL was used as a retention service it would be one thing, but telcos charge as if it were a 50Mb service, requiring expensive POTS or charing huge extras for stand-alone service. And then if you pony up for POTS you have all of the associated taxes and junk fees. Even $15 DSL isn't anywhere close to $15. |
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 RobIn Deo speramus.Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
kudos:3 | reply to HaloFans
Re: DSL vs Cable said by HaloFans:Stuck with 1.3 Mbps DSL here because of cost. Cable is too expensive to justify its monthly rate.
Can I ask what you're paying for the DSL connection?
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Re: WISP kills DSL The house I bought can only get 1.5 meg DSL from Centurylink or some over priced plan from Comcast. I opted for the local home-brew WISP and get a deal similar to yours. I can run multiple Netflix streams and run VOIP and have had no issues. The service is rock solid. There are no caps or throttling, extra fees, contracts, or equipment to rent/buy. I plan on keeping with them for a long time.
The WISP I went with isn't even the only WISP in the area. It just happens to be the one with the best rates and best service. |
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tschmidtPremium,MVM
join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
kudos:8 Reviews:
·G4 Communications
·Fairpoint Commun..
·Hollis Hosting
| reply to Simba7
Re: Duh.. said by Simba7: Most copper pairs are not certified for anything else besides voice. That is true but DSL is designed to work over copper. The larger issue is distance. If the circuit is short DSL works just fine.
The problem is to compete with Cable circuit needs to be shorter then 10,000 feet which requires investment in expensive remote terminals.
/tom |
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Mr Matt
join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
kudos:1 Reviews:
·CenturyLink
·Comcast
·Embarq Now Centu..
| Teleco's to stingy to provide sufficient backhaul! I temporarily have both Comcast broadband and CenturyLink DSL. It appears that Centurylink is too stingy to upgrade their network to provide sufficient back haul capacity. I am paying for 10 Megs down and 768K up. I get that speed during off peak times. In the evening I have trouble downloading video from YouTube and other video sources. My speed drops from 10 Mbps to under 3 Mbps. I always get the speed I am paying for during low traffic periods like 1AM or 7AM on Sunday. The problem is not with the last mile it is the lack of capacity to connect the remote terminal to their broadband network. The fact that CenturyLink is offering Prism Television in this area exaggerates the problem because the prism video streams get priority over subscriber data transmission. |
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Black_MageMy backup spell is WarpPremium
join:2012-09-12
USA
kudos:1 | reply to Simba7
Re: Happier With DSL said by Simba7:said by Black_Mage:and the huge advantage is my ping times in WoW have been cut by almost 50%. Makes cable look really bad. That just made your comment invalid. Posting a specific example of how switching to DSL has been an improvement invalidates my comment? Explain. |
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Re: Duh.. Lets correct your statement a little.
To compete with Cable, DSL needs lines to be shorter than 1000ft. |
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·Frontier Communi..
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Re: In other news, Sun rises in the East said by skeechan:And then if you pony up for POTS you have all of the associated taxes and junk fees.
That isn't the fault of the Telco though. My Frontier POTS bill:
Residence-1 Party Flat Rate: $14.93
Federal Tax: $0.77
Federal Line Charge: $7.00
Federal USF Charge: $1.10
PA Gross Receipts Tax: $0.36
PA State Sales Tax: $0.21
PA Telecomm Relay Service: $0.08
E911 Fee: $1.50
Only 57% of the bill actually goes to Frontier. The rest goes to line the pockets of Uncle Sam (and Uncle Corbett). Hardly seems fair that the cable company doesn't have to pay most of these fees for their VoIP product, they should either be compelled to do so or the telco should be released from the obligation.
$15/mo for a POTS line isn't a bad deal, nor would $15 + 6% sales tax. The problem is all of the additional taxes/fees that have been tacked on over the years. |
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 djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
kudos:1
 ·VOIPo
·Verizon Wireless..
·RoadRunner Cable
·AT&T U-Verse
·PHONE POWER
| reply to Black_Mage
Re: Happier With DSL said by Black_Mage:I switched to DSL after moving. I had cable before. I get 12 Meg download speed and 768 K up. The speed is slightly faster for a couple bucks more than what I was paying for 10Meg Cable, and the huge advantage is my ping times in WoW have been cut by almost 50%. Makes cable look really bad. My only gripe is that both cable and DSL ISPs are stingy with upload speed.
Although this issue has little to do with cable vs. DSL (both are capable of stable pings, even if Black_Mage's cable ISP did a poor job of it in his neighborhood), it does nicely demonstrate why it's good to have a choice. If DSL dies off, the only choice most of us will have is cable. With no competitive pressure, how well do you think they're going to maintain their network?
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 NormanSPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
kudos:9
·SONIC.NET
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to Simba7
Re: Duh.. Here. Have some squat:
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