| WOW I think it is awesome the double standard here. If your a person on food stamps or welfare your a worthless, lazy drain on society. If you are a large corporation who gets handouts for something you every actually do or accomplish you've earned it.... Dang them all to heck, worthless poor people. |
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| Migrate Time to force them over to new technology. |
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| Forcing them over is silly. Any repairs that come in , sure, then "force" them over. But to spend money converting them, and resulting in lost customers is a bad move. Its not hurting anyone to leave them where they are. Their copper line may not need repair for another 20 years, and its costing AT&T nothing to leave it AS IS. |
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| LTE-Advanced LTE-Advanced, a minor upgrade from LTE offering max speeds of 1Gb/500mb, should be ubiquitous in 5 years. In 10 years, children in rural areas will be asking their parents about those 'funny' poles along the roadway. |
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 Lone WolfIndependent Voter, Buy Gold and GunsPremium
join:2001-12-30
USA
kudos:1 | Gotta Love AT&T The company is currently paying a dividend of 4.64%. You can't touch that in any financial institution.
They are definitely doing something right. |
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Re: Migrate Then they can have no internet connection then. Any kind of broadband is going to cost money. No one is forcing them to use the internet. |
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Re: LTE-Advanced Well no, since power will still be run on them. And LTE will be far from ubiquitous; you'll run into the same ROI problems and it's estimated it will actually reach less areas than POTS does today. |
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Re: Gotta Love AT&T Yes, they're screwing every living thing they come in contact with, buying Congress, fielding a middle-of-the road if not crap product, offering low quality support, and are generally seen as one of the least ethical companies around. Good job. |
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Re: Migrate I understand what youre saying. But any customers still using DSL/POTS is pure profit for AT&T until they are in need of maintenance. Leave them where they are until a repair arises.
Volunteer basis resulting in higher prices to access Uverse? Sure. Migrations due to repairs? Sure. I just dont agree with the whole "force" idea. |
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 kontosxyzzy
join:2001-10-04
West Henrietta, NY | reply to Lone Wolf
Re: Gotta Love AT&T said by Lone Wolf:The company is currently paying a dividend of 4.64%.
That 4.64% dividend doesn't sound so great if the value of your shares goes down by 5% |
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Mr Matt
join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
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| Corporations hate regulation. The AT&T and Verizon want to get rid of copper because service provided by copper still has some regulation. They have also scammed American citizens by taking Universal Service funds all these years and now wanting to abandon the service that we paid for. If AT&T and Verizon want to discontinue universal service they should be required to return all universal service funds collected to current and past subscribers. |
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Re: Migrate AT&T will just increase the price high enough that is will be cheaper for them to use U-Verse. |
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openbox9Premium
join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | reply to kontos
Re: Gotta Love AT&T
Run baby, run! |
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join:2010-10-16
Springfield, MA
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| Spin-off Like I said yesterday, if they really wanted out of the wireline business, they'd split the company like Motorola went from one company and is now two, trading publicly under two separate symbols.
Given the fact they have not split the company, they don't really want out of the wireline business. The real issue is they want to use cheaper (non-union) sources of labor to maintain wireline assets.
What I don't understand is why people keep DSL because it has become the 21st century version of dial-up. Why should I pay Verizon for their exhorbinant rates ($65 a month just for phone) when I can add Internet and phone to my cable bill for not much more money than what I'd pay for cable alone. DSL is 1.5/768 where my cable modem is 50/10. Cable modem is the only true broadband in our area (although AT&T has U-Verse just south of the border in Connecticut, which is a 15 minute drive from where I live). Too bad AT&T would not buy out Verizon's Western Massachusetts wireline assets so the could expand their U-Verse offerings into the Pioneer Valley (Springfield/Holyoke MA area which is the same urban cluster the Enfield, CT is in, which has U-Verse). Somers, CT has a huge prison complex for the CT DOC and many of the corrections officers live in the Springfield/Holyoke (MA) area.
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I wish I still lived in Iowa; Everything there from rent and groceries to Cable TV is much cheaper in Iowa (especially with an overbuilder in town). |
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Re: Migrate and higher bills |
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join:2011-06-30
Paducah, KY | AT&T DSL I have the 6/512 plan they offer, and am quite happy with it. Perhaps a touch pricey if you compare raw speeds and price to that of my one other option, Comcast. But, and it's a big but, Comcast was crap here. When I left them, they had the 6/2 plan with speedboost, or whatever it was called. Anytime it stormed, they went down. They would go for months, with apparently an overloaded node, or something, and speeds were horrendous about 12 hours a day. There always seemed to be an "issue" with Comcast. I had them for 10 years or so. in 1.5 years with DSL, never had to call once. It's been down only one time, just a couple of hours, when there was a major fiber cut somewhere. It's steady as a rock, it's never down. And, in fact, they just upgraded the CO box at the end of the street over the past 1.5 years, which first allowed DSL to come to our neighborhood. So, I'm not sure what AT&T is considering at this point. But for now, even though I don't have 'blazing speeds'. I have a very good internet service. |
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Re: Spin-off The answer to you question, why do people stay on DSL, is because the footprint of DSL only customers (no cable option) is larger than many of you here on DSL reports believe. It's millions of people with no other choice. And they don't have U-verse.
AT&T reaches 50 million people, 30 million of those have U-Verse available. That leaves 20 million legacy DSL. I don't have figures because AT&T or anyone else doesn't have it to that scope but I will bet you that of those 20 million 65-75% only have DSL has an option and no cable. I would say AT&T didn't upgrade those because they know there isn't any competition and their ultimate goal was wireless only. They know now it's dang near impossible to sell the lines but that was once their plan.
»www.businessweek.com/news/2012-0···ing-them
There were tons of homes built in the last decade + during the housing boom that had AT&T services put in but not cable (because they were required to by regulation).
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Re: Migrate New technology with higher usage overage and spotty coverage or other new technology? |
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Ah, now is see which side of this issue you fall... |
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Re: Spin-off Some people cannot get cable modem and can only get DSL. Heck, my "in-laws" in Maine are on a road 500 yards away from a cable line that TWC or Beeline services ( I forget which because one end of their road is serviced by TWC, the other end is serviced by Beeline...). We called both companies and one of them wanted to charge $10k to run a cable line a short run from the next house for their overly expensive yet underwhelming service.
So the "best" packages that the in-laws can NOT get from beeline is:
Residential Basic
Speeds up to 512 Kbps x 128 Kbps
Business and Residential Internet
Speeds up to 1.0 Mbps x 256 Kbps
Additional computers for the Business Internet package are $4.95 a month. All businesses are subject to a site survey. Package prices do not include applicable taxes, franchise fees and fcc fees.
Premium Service
Speeds up to 4.0 Mpbs x 384 Kbps
Warp 8
Speeds up to 8.0 Mbps x 512 Kbps
I have no idea what the prices are for any of these services, they took them off the website so that you would have to call in and be sold on the services...
What the family family actually settled on was DSL service from Fairpoint which is advertised as up to 3 mbps down for $35.99/month.
What they get is often around 512 Kbps x 128 Kbps. Actually they should probably be paying for the Up to 768 Kbps downloads 128 Kbps upload for $20.99/month and save the extra $15 for speeds that they NEVER get.
So, they stay with Fairpoint because the HAVE to in order to have internet access. They couldn't get the other option and that other option was pretty lacking as well anyway....
My point is that at&t ( and other DSL companies) should just upgrade the service already... There are a ton of people who use it as their only option.  I'm very glad to have FiOS and not to need to worry about this issue personally, but it certainly affects others. |
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