 LightSPremium
join:2005-12-17
Greenville, TX | Well.... You know, to be honest, I'm not surprised.
One way fails, try another... |
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Donut
join:2005-06-27
Romulus, MI | The only thing place that the feds cant get is in your own head. At least YET.
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 mmay149qPremium
join:2009-03-05
Dallas, TX
kudos:48 | I wonder Is the location data reported by the device? Or reported by the cell tower itself? I'm curious to know if being on a VPN 24/7 that's connected across the huge pond would give a false location.
Matt
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Re: Well.... well, they can't get you this way if you have no cell phone! |
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 vpokoPremium
join:2003-07-03
Boston, MA | reply to mmay149q
Re: I wonder I'm guessing it's reported by the tower, but even if it were reported by the device it would be based on GPS; nothing to do with IP and VPN. |
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Mr Matt
join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
kudos:1 Reviews:
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| Location tracking was not to save accident victims!  When the government announced they were mandating that the cellular carriers must incorporate a means, to continuously track the location of a cell phone, it was not to save that little old lady in tennis shoes that ran off the road and emergency responders could not find. The reason for location tracking was to spy on American Citizens and I said so.
Over the years there have been discussions about whether or not location tracking was really off when a cell phone was turned off. In order to trick American Citizens into accepting cell phones that could provide location tracking the BIG LIE was that location tracking would only be turned on if the subscriber dialed 911. Obviously that was bull shit.
If the government was sincere they would pass a law prohibiting any company whose services was capable of recording location data, to keep that data only long enough for the system to function and then discard it. I would not own a wireless device that did not have a removable battery. I do not believe that when any piece of Apple wireless crap is turned off that the location tracking capability is turned off.
There was a scandal in South Florida several years ago when it was discovered that the police were activating LoJack on hot chicks cars just to snoop on their activities. Unfortunately for the police LoJack tracked whenever one of their systems were activated and the police could not give a good reason why those systems were being turned on.
Our Orwellian government cannot resist any advancement in technology to use against it's citizens to snoop on them. Moments after Bell invented the telephone some prick government attorney had the police tap it. It took new laws to put police on a short leash when they engaged in wire trapping for fishing expeditions. |
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Kamus
join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX | reply to Donut
Re: Well.... said by Donut:The only thing place that the feds cant get is in your own head. At least YET.
That is right... in a few decades computers will be so small that they will fit inside our cells. At that point there is no technical reason for them to literally be in your head. |
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 Noah VailSon made my AvatarPremium
join:2004-12-10
Lorton, VA
kudos:2
·Bright House
1 edit | The last administration that wasn't anti Civil Liberty was.. Hmmm. Jefferson?
Look at the government's argument for anytime-monitoring-of-anyone.
quote:
"When a cell phone user transmits a signal to a cell tower for his call to be connected, he thereby assumes the risk that the cell phone provider will create its own internal record of which of the company’s towers handles the call.
Thus, it makes no difference if some users have never thought about how their cell phones work; a cell phone user can have no expectation of privacy in cell-site information."
The Obama admin claims that the act of transmitting a cell signal
presumes we are responsibly able to assume the risk
of our provider creating records of our activity.
Problem with that.
We have can't prevent our provider from creating records of us.
Yet the Obama administration insists we assume the risk for an activity, they know is beyond our control.
And that is their basis for warrantless monitoring of each and any American.
Who wants 4 more years of this thinking (or 8 more years or 12 more)?
Seriously, who do you vote for when both candidates are on the same side, and it's the side that sees you as property?
Obama has cleanly adopted every privacy eroding measure introduced in the Bush administration.
I've no reason to believe Romney wouldn't do the same. Certainly McCain would have.
The only idea I have is to maintain a line of single-term-PotUS until they get the idea.
Oh yea. Burn the press for consistently failing to properly cover an issue that will impact us for lifetimes.
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Re: Well.... Right! No cell phone, car with license plate (automated readers), EZ-Pass, credit card for payment, or an uncovered face. You make it sound like it's just soooo easy to get around pervasive surveillance isn't it?
So really what they're saying is there's no reason the government shouldn't know where every citizen is at all times. Yeah, like, anyone should be just fine with that??? |
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LightSPremium
join:2005-12-17
Greenville, TX | reply to Donut
Ever read 1984?
That book is a decent prospector of what could eventually be... and, they for sure get in everyones head.  |
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 elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | reply to Noah Vail
Re: The last administration that wasn't anti Civil Liberty was.. the one that will piss off more people when/if they win |
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 tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3
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Re: I wonder It trianglized by the cellphone system, rather than GPS which is the phone reporting it's GPS location.
If you are in range of two or more towers it can be quite accurate, one tower they know distance from the tower and which cell/sector for direction.
Your VPN doesn't disquise the phones location from the cell system but those on the recieve end would still see you at the endpoint of the VPN. |
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mmay149qPremium
join:2009-03-05
Dallas, TX
kudos:48 | reply to vpoko
said by vpoko:I'm guessing it's reported by the tower, but even if it were reported by the device it would be based on GPS; nothing to do with IP and VPN.
Yeah but how would they find your location if your GPS is disabled? I mean I know for a fact they can find your location just based off your 3G/4G data, but I'm not sure they can find you via GPS if you have it turned off.
Matt
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tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3 | This is an easy win... you have no “reasonable expectation of privacy” in cellphone location data, because you already share it with the provider, both for operational purposes and likely by the default TOS which gives them harvesting and marketing rights. |
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Mr Matt
join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
kudos:1 Reviews:
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1 edit | reply to Noah Vail
Re: The last administration that wasn't anti Civil Liberty was.. I do not think that it is the President trying to erode citizens rights, I believe it is the Justice Department. Historically the Justice Department has said anything as an excuse to erode citizens rights, one of the more popular excuses is to protect the children. Until the legislative branch creates new laws to protect citizens privacy rights the Justice Department will try anything to erode citizens privacy. I believe that any US Attorney General would try to expand schemes to erode citizens rights. It is just that Eric Holder that is in the hot seat right now.
I do not believe that the Justice Department cares about protecting citizens rights, it is just about schemes to win high profile cases. This tantrum the Justice Department just pulled is because they are pissed of at the Supreme Court's decision that attaching GPS devices to a vehicle requires a warrant. |
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vpokoPremium
join:2003-07-03
Boston, MA | reply to mmay149q
Re: I wonder Yes, you're probably right about that (as is tshirt, above), probably just tower-based location. |
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Noah VailSon made my AvatarPremium
join:2004-12-10
Lorton, VA
kudos:2 Reviews:
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Re: The last administration that wasn't anti Civil Liberty was.. said by Mr Matt: I do not think that it is the President trying to erode citizens rights, I believe it is the Justice Department.
By which you mean the Attorney General. And the AG is appointed (and subsequently supported) by who?
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 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | Apparently the FBI already holds that position.... As evidenced by the recent whistleblowing. |
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Re: Well.... It's amazing how so many in this country are paranoid about government and law enforcement. We have the highest rates of violence, murder, and corruption in the developed world people, which needs to be addressed.
Not to mention, American after American is being sued, harassed, or our every move recorded daily by the private sector, yet we continue to be fixated with tin-foil conspiracy theories about government. |
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