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Comments on news posted 2012-08-27 12:35:53: Whistleblowers the last ten years have highlighted repeatedly how the phone companies are helping the government spy on its own citizens by dumping all Internet data directly into the laps of government (pdf), who is busily building a massive superco.. ..

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Harddrive
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And don't forget about...

The FBI's new surveillance collection center called NDCAC.


Linklist
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Whistleblowers in a spy agency should be persecuted

Whistleblowers in a spy agency should be persecuted. And yes I said persecuted and not prosecuted. When you sign on to work at a spy agency, you don't become a whistleblower - EVER.
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Telco

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Paranoia

It's amazing how people are still scared of our government and have A to Z in tinfoil conspiracy theories.

All while private corporations that are not accountable to anyone are allowed to data-mine whatever they like about us. A practice rationally illegal in a range of industrialized nations.

No wonder every abroad thinks we are stupid, as we are obsessed with conspiracies about government, while we literally give free reign to fascist corporatism.


vpoko
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Re: Whistleblowers in a spy agency should be persecuted

The flip side of that is when you hire someone to do something shady, you shouldn't be surprised when they double cross you.


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Why?

Why was this was evil under Bush but not under Obama? Seems to me that neither party is willing to give up this power which makes them both evil.
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PastTense

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Too Much Data To Be Useful

When you have this vast quantity of data, you are in a needle in a haystack situation and it is doubtful the government can pull out much of use. A similar situation is where banks have to file a report whenever someone has a $10,000 cash transaction--there are just too many reports to process.

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Re: Whistleblowers in a spy agency should be persecuted

A spy agency filled with dumb and loyal bureaucrats is a waste of money. An agency that produces whistle-blowers, double-agents, triple-agents, alcoholics, suicides, sex scandals involving dogs, etc. is healthy and a wise use of tax money.

Wilsdom

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Re: Paranoia

How many people has Google tortured, locked in dungeons, or assassinated?


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Re: Whistleblowers in a spy agency should be persecuted

said by Linklist:

Whistleblowers in a spy agency should be persecuted. And yes I said persecuted and not prosecuted. When you sign on to work at a spy agency, you don't become a whistleblower - EVER.

This is total and complete nonsense with this type of thinking universally condemned during the Nuremberg trials at the end of WWII.

I was just following orders... or more appropriately I was prevented from disclosing unethical or potentially illegal behavior in my organization because I signed a piece of paper...

Yours, and others, similar POV is the problem...not the cure and is definitely anti-American at it's core...
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vpoko
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said by Linklist:

Whistleblowers in a spy agency should be persecuted. And yes I said persecuted and not prosecuted. When you sign on to work at a spy agency, you don't become a whistleblower - EVER.

What if a low-level NSA employee discovered that Obama was planning on staging a coup, with the help of the intelligence community, if he loses the election. I am beyond shocked that you would be in favor of keeping an Obama coup quiet.


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said by Linklist:

When you sign on to work at a spy agency, you don't become a whistleblower - EVER.

So you just check your morals at the door? When your government is not following the rules you just look the other way? Sorry, we all need to play by the rules. If the government isn't they need to be called on it. Winning by playing like the enemy makes you a loser and no better. Just because you're in power doesn't mean you can do whatever you want because you believe it is right.
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said by Linklist:

Whistleblowers in a spy agency should be persecuted. And yes I said persecuted and not prosecuted. When you sign on to work at a spy agency, you don't become a whistleblower - EVER.

This is EXACTLY the post I would expect from a Mitt Romney supporter: bliss. or troll attempt. Both!

Perhaps Bain Capital should be persecuted for dealing with the Chinese?

Or that Boston's Big Dig wasn't over-budget? Don't forget the drivers that got killed from the faulty anchors...

We need to tax the internets for a Universal Persecution Fund...to build that guillotine in DC... first are the lobbyists, then the lawyers, the representatives, then the senators, their aids, and finally the rest of the lot of Republican/Democrat supporters...

Oh, and Foxnews
CNN too?

But not whistleblowers. No. They represent a dying breed of workers that DID have loyalty, and delusion that everyone in their workplace was hardworking and honest (just like them).
Too bad the bad apples ruin it.

Here, our society penalizes the honest and glorifies the cheaters, thieves and criminals!
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Spin, spin, spin, spin, spin....

is anyone interested in the way things actually are? as opposed to the ridiculous spin that these "whistleblowers" are being given?

William Binney is simply a butt-hurt former NSA geek (not the "Lead", "Head of the program", or "Chief Designer", or any of the other completely made-up titles in this spin cycle). The program he was touting was killed in favor of another. He went into a rage, filing complaints. etc. All the rest of this is simply his rage at the NSA, which the spin meisters who are against the NSA even existing or having an anti-terrorist mission are using to further their cause. He actually has no idea what's really going on, it's all made up speculation.

Don't believe me? See »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trailblazer_Project


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Re: Whistleblowers in a spy agency should be persecuted

said by cableties:

said by Linklist:

Whistleblowers in a spy agency should be persecuted. And yes I said persecuted and not prosecuted. When you sign on to work at a spy agency, you don't become a whistleblower - EVER.

Perhaps Bain Capital should be persecuted for dealing with the Chinese?

Or that Boston's Big Dig wasn't over-budget? Don't forget the drivers that got killed from the faulty anchors...

Was either Bain or the Big Dig operators spy agencies?
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bnceo

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Re: Spin, spin, spin, spin, spin....

If you are going to cite sources, cite non wikipedia ones.


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said by MyDogHsFleas:

is anyone interested in the way things actually are? as opposed to the ridiculous spin that these "whistleblowers" are being given?

William Binney is simply a butt-hurt former NSA geek (not the "Lead", "Head of the program", or "Chief Designer", or any of the other completely made-up titles in this spin cycle). The program he was touting was killed in favor of another. He went into a rage, filing complaints. etc. All the rest of this is simply his rage at the NSA, which the spin meisters who are against the NSA even existing or having an anti-terrorist mission are using to further their cause. He actually has no idea what's really going on, it's all made up speculation.

Don't believe me? See »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trailblazer_Project

A wiki article to prove your point? Really? You might want to ask yourself if the article and it's speculation are any more valid than someone who was actually on the inside. The first move for any organization caught with their hands in the cookie jar is to try and discredit the messenger...

Please try harder as it would move this debate along that much faster...
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Re: Whistleblowers in a spy agency should be persecuted

said by Linklist:

Whistleblowers in a spy agency should be persecuted. And yes I said persecuted and not prosecuted. When you sign on to work at a spy agency, you don't become a whistleblower - EVER.

Wow really? When you sign up to work for a spy agency you are obligated under law to uphold the US Constitution and defend it against all enemies ..foreign and DOMESTIC.

nasadude

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said by Linklist:

Whistleblowers in a spy agency should be persecuted. And yes I said persecuted and not prosecuted. When you sign on to work at a spy agency, you don't become a whistleblower - EVER.

why do you hate freedom?

firedrakes

join:2009-01-29
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Re: Spin, spin, spin, spin, spin....

sadly only way to change this is to clean house in the gov . to make it less corrupt

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