 rit56
join:2000-12-01
New York, NY | FCC This is such crap. Their function now is as a mouth piece for Corporations and all the stated definitions will be dictated by their corporate overlords. The rampant gouging and screwing of consumers is the new America. |
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 firephotoFacts hurtPremium
join:2003-03-18
Brewster, WA | I don't even have broadband anymore i guess ...and only just in 2010 to 4 Mbps downstream and 1 Mbps upstream.
I was just thinking this morning that all the broadbandless people in the country would get faster service than I have if they got any sort of new service at all most likely. Pathetic.
There's so many incumbents that can't even be bothered to try and upgrade their own customers service it's not a surprise so many avoid using the term "internet service provider" when they seem to only care about creating customers rather than providing service.
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trish2
join:2008-03-24
Laurens, SC | If the FCC had any guts, they would put the definition of broadband as one gigabit download and upload via fiber to the device. |
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Re: FCC This will actually kill DSL lines in many places, as well as AT&T's Uverse offering of 'pro' at 3Mbps/1Mbps. |
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| False ads. You are telling me that anything over 4mbps is considered broadband? I know of ISP's advertizing 1.5mbps as "broadband" That is misleading |
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 mmay149qPremium
join:2009-03-05
Dallas, TX
kudos:48 | Cap limits eh? Well, looks like the FCC needs to make it considered "broadband" if the cap is large enough to allow consumers to watch all their favorite TV shows without going over the cap and paying overages, equivalent to what the average TV consumers watch every month, if it's 1TB, then so be it, at least the carriers then hopefully won't "get their way" with charging people ridiculous fee's for wanting a different medium to view their media. This is 2012, and with 4TB drives being sold now, 500GB should be the cap for g-ma, and 1 - 2TB for everyone else.
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elray
join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA | What They'll Find They will discover that for all the ranting and whining, virtually no one ever exceeds their caps or pays "steep overages", and that the small minority who do have other options available. |
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| No one? That's cool, then stop wasting money implementing them. |
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO | reply to rit56
Re: FCC You mean the new is now just like the old? IMO -- I don't think it's much different now than pre-1996. Recall that we used to pay for extra for outlets, touch-tone dialing and long distance. However, in those days we paid more for intrastate long distance than interstate long distance. Given that we were charged for long distance, one assumed the greater the distance, the more the cost but it didn't work that way! There were also metropolitan charges that were higher for the suburbs -- even though that's where most of the population lived!
Today voice is virtually free and data caps are the new long distance.
Regarding the FCC's upcoming data cap definition, rather than look at what people use, I wish they would look at whether or not there is any sane justification for the entire concept.
The carrier's usual explanation is that most customers never exceed the limits and additional charges are levied on the few to maintain a quality experience for all. By this logic, we are left to conclude that the few are being billed significantly more than most and the additional revenue generated makes a significant contribution to ongoing network upgrades. If that isn't true, it sure smells like intrastate vs. interstate long distance charges. |
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| Regulation? Does this mean those who offer less than 4mbps service are no longer considered a "broadband" provider and therefore no longer subject to FCC "broadband" requirements?
Who cares what the FCC thinks qualifies as "broadband" today? What difference does it make? |
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 XiodenPremium
join:2008-06-10
Monticello, NY
kudos:1 | reply to dslcreature
Re: Regulation? They just stopped offering broadband, and now offer "High speed internet". Why actually do anything when you can just sidestep the issue. |
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| Either caps or overage charges... take your pick. This smells funny.
If the FCC says "you have to increase your caps", the broadband companies are going to cry foul and press for stiff overage charges once the new caps are in place. The FCC will of course roll over and say OK.
Once they do that the precedence is established and you and I take it in the rear. |
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| shouldn't be caps there is no consumption ratio where ISPs lose money for a fixed wireline service at current price levels given most of these companies have monopoly or duopoly status and serve milions of customers!
the fact that the FCC & DOJ have let this sharade go on for so long only proves they don't have an understanding of the costs and greedy self interest large corporations have over their customers and it's beginning to look like regional Ma Isp madness..
Perhaps a 21st century update for the telecom industry parody is in order... (appologies, in advance, HULU is kinda anal about showing an ad before you see the Lilly Tomin video, can't be found on youtube anymore.. )
»www.hulu.com/watch/70826 |
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1 edit | We already know.... This is going to go badly. The typical FCC will find 25GB an acceptable cap. Then companies will lower their caps to "be in line" with the federal guidelines. By raising the threshold companies will be able to cut those rural DSL subscriber much easier.
The FCC never does much to stop small companies from ripping off customers anyway. Our government looks at companies like LISCO, congratulate them for offering 100mbps service, but ignore the 20GB cap.  |
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 LinklistPremium
join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | reply to dslcreature
Re: Regulation? said by dslcreature:Does this mean those who offer less than 4mbps service are no longer considered a "broadband" provider and therefore no longer subject to FCC "broadband" requirements?
Who cares what the FCC thinks qualifies as "broadband" today? What difference does it make?
It makes no difference at all what the FCC thinks. They don't call the shots and how they define broadband won't change what is being offered by ISPs.
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decifal
join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN
kudos:1 | yeah Yeah, its the year 2012, I still do not have either dsl/uverse nor cable as an option for real internet.. I'm thinking the years 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 and so forth are looking to be the same.. More of the same... More and more of the same... |
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join:2006-10-19
USA
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Re: What They'll Find If you watch the monthly average amount of television in via streaming standard definition (~100 hours) you will use roughly 34gb. 720p will double that usage. 1080p will have you well over 100gb. This is not a niche usage. Between Netflix and Amazon it's quite simple and increasingly more common.
And that's only one common usage. Another, Steam, will cost you 8-12gb for a single game. And then there are others, like video chatting. Even basic web surfing is not exactly a light activity anymore. That's all for one person. Families do that many times over because they have many people.
This is not 2006. The average household doesn't use only 20 gb anymore. |
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Re: Cap limits eh? said by mmay149q:This is 2012, and with 4TB drives being sold now, 500GB should be the cap for g-ma, and 1 - 2TB for everyone else.
At what point in computing history has anyone (other than porn addicts) needed to routinely download such a large fraction of their hard drive capacity on a monthly basis? Regarding "g-ma", I deploy dd-wrt routers as a matter of course for friends/family/colleagues who ask me. The "g-ma" users I have are lucky to use 1GB/mo. The streaming video people range in the 100GB to 200GB range.
Bellyache about caps all you want but they've been very carefully calibrated to only ensnare a small fraction of the total user base. It's a win-win for the ISPs, they either drive the heavy users off their network and get to postpone upgrades, or they monetize those users and gain additional revenue to fund upgrades. |
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Re: FCC It won't "kill" DSL, anymore than the wireless carriers have been "killed" by selling non-4G service as 4G.
I'd be curious to know why a 4/1 definition of "broadband" meets with such disdain though. That's more than enough to meet the needs of the typical residential customer. It might be nicer if it was defined as 5/1, 4mbit/s is borderline for HD streaming, I'm still not seeing a reason for outage though.
Slow upload speeds are the most annoying thing from my vantage point, though that was a necessary technical compromise back in the day, and remains so with services like ADSL. |
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