 RobIn Deo speramus.Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
kudos:3 | They already get government funding.. Why would they take money that has requirements attached to them when they are already receiving funding from the government (aka the taxpayers) that has very little restrictions?
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join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | said by Rob:Why would they take money that has requirements attached to them when they are already receiving funding from the government (aka the taxpayers) that has very little restrictions?
And what funding would that be?
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RobIn Deo speramus.Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
kudos:3 | said by Linklist:said by Rob:Why would they take money that has requirements attached to them when they are already receiving funding from the government (aka the taxpayers) that has very little restrictions?
And what funding would that be? Relay Service funding for starters... Not to mention the numerous government contracts that are overpriced.
And let us not forget any private deals between AT&T and the NSA.. do you think AT&T is letting the NSA in for free?
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 tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3
 ·Comcast
| said by Rob:Relay Service funding for starters... Not to mention the numerous government contracts that are overpriced.
And let us not forget any private deals between AT&T and the NSA.. do you think AT&T is letting the NSA in for free?
You don't suppose that Relay Service fees, actually pays for the relay service, and the NSA payments go towards what the NSA does and neither go toward connecting new homes.
You seem to believe each dollar of income can be used 2-3 times for different tasks. |
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RobIn Deo speramus.Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
kudos:3 | said by tshirt:said by Rob:Relay Service funding for starters... Not to mention the numerous government contracts that are overpriced.
And let us not forget any private deals between AT&T and the NSA.. do you think AT&T is letting the NSA in for free?
You don't suppose that Relay Service fees, actually pays for the relay service, and the NSA payments go towards what the NSA does and neither go toward connecting new homes. It's been established that the relay service is being abused and AT&T, for the most part, isn't do anything to curb that abuse.
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tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3 Reviews:
·Comcast
2 edits | So the gov't should police that program. it doesn't mean any excess use nets AT&T profit, nor does it pay for connecting new homes.
Remember that AT&T was the service provider, the abusers were others who misused the system, by law AT&T was not allowed to make judgement as to whether it was appropriete usage or not.
And that the operators/whistleblowers who reported the abuse did so in violation of the law (it was a good thing/bad law)
You should really blame whoever drafted the ADA regulations for not including proper safe guards. |
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| USF Good. Now can we all stop paying the damn USF "Fee". |
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| Grant Monies for Whom to Benefit From What is really sick here is that I have newly installed fiber optic (installed summer 2011) right in front of my house that was installed with federal grant money BUT it was installed exclusively for the elementary school 0.2 miles away and NO ONE else can get access to. The only broadband options here are satellite and a basic canopy system with NO cell-based or cable or dsl connectivity either. Talk about last mile, we are last mile and does the government really care? |
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RobIn Deo speramus.Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
kudos:3 | reply to tshirt
Re: They already get government funding.. I certainly do blame the poorly written bills, which have good intention, but didn't foresee the abuse and lack of responsibility on the teclo's part.
And since neither pay for connecting new homes, AT&T is more than happy to keep the cash cow rolling while rejecting the broadband funding that.. would.. shocker.. make them actually show results!
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openbox9Premium
join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | Return it to the treasury Please, please, don't waste this money again. I can only imagine what Phase II will bring if the FCC can't even dole out half of the Phase I money. Something is wrong with the program if money can't be given away. |
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tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3 | reply to Rob
Re: They already get government funding.. Suppose they don't believe it is possible to provide the upgrades and connect the homes under the stated conditions for the amount offered.
aren't they being responsible for refusing to take the funding? |
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tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3 Reviews:
·Comcast
| reply to chris laco
Re: USF said by chris laco :Good. Now can we all stop paying the damn USF "Fee".
This was "stimulus" money, not USF which will continue in a newly mutilated form. this time to fund broadband rather than dialtone. |
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RobIn Deo speramus.Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
kudos:3 | reply to tshirt
Re: They already get government funding.. said by tshirt:Suppose they don't believe it is possible to provide the upgrades and connect the homes under the stated conditions for the amount offered.
aren't they being responsible for refusing to take the funding?
Possibility. I'm not sure if you would know this, but has AT&T presented the FCC with a better, more acceptable plan on the use of the funds to wire America?
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join:2005-12-17
Greenville, TX
·Time Warner Cable
·RoadRunner Cable
| Put the money to good use... I think they should get DSL or Coax to everyone, especially rural areas / people "just outside" of the service area.
Too many people can't get broadband, and getting 1.5Mbps DSL would be a godsend compared to satellite or dial up service..
It may not be the fastest, but it sure is better than nill! |
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Re: Grant Monies for Whom to Benefit From that federal grant money you talk about wouldn't come close to being enough to hook up more than just the school. |
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| Anyway, when they started plowing the fiber in they placed a huge sign in the middle of the project that clearly stated that the project was funded my federal stimulus money. The county project included connecting the 6 outlying elementary schools with a fiber system to facilitate video learning. There were already fiber lines through the center of the county, they just did not reach out into the outer limits. Like I said, seems bad to have the fiber in place but not allow anyone else to use it - opening up to paying customers would be a way to offset the tax money that was used to put the fiber optic in place. |
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decifal
join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN
kudos:1 Reviews:
 ·Verizon Broadban..
| I I wanna see unmaintained areas of ATT taken from em and dissolved.. They have had too long of a time to build out, with or without usf funds.. Obviously this company is done with land lines.. Lets let smaller startups take over and help the country move on and catch up with broadband penetration already.. ATT is not going to do it, all they seem to do is put up roadblocks for others to even attempt it.. |
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tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3 Reviews:
·Comcast
| reply to Rob
Re: They already get government funding.. They've probably suggested many plans.
But generally YOU (gov't/people) figure out what you want done, and then you go to the contractor (s) and ask "How Much?
If you just start with (a likely) prime contractor and say "what do we need?/just do it/ send the bill later." you end up with endless pentagon style programs and overruns and delays and get the most expensive, bullet-proof, bomb resistant, triple locked, lasar guided swiss army knife ever built.
given you will NEVER see that kind of budget, or timetable or national priority assigned to this what you really need to do is encourage those prime contractor to do much of this on their own (requires consitant longterm investment, tax, and RoW regulations that acknowledge the long(10-20-30-40 year) investment window needed, so they can assure their lenders/stockholders of a return.) and only suplement/direct for the few places that will NEVER become profitable.
To keep costs down to match our limited We The PEOPLE need to trim as many extras from our list as possible, so we might still give schools and libraries freebies, but city dept's? and everyone we think has some sort of disadvantage? or has a limited budget? and those we wish to honor? (I have seen proposals that suggest ALL vets should get free service and or wound vets, which while we are thankful, everyone who can MUST pay, or the remaining few will be overwhelmed by the cost (social security?).
In return for their longterm financing, design and construction they will need to charge a rate that pays for ALL of it. which may be more than some think it should be. |
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| reply to hydnar
Re: Grant Monies for Whom to Benefit From Hence why the government sucks and should stick to basics. I takes your money and uses it for their purposes, not your best interests.
What they could do is once the trunk is installed, let local coops connect in to run their own gig. That would make sense except that the industry is upside down on the legislative front.
Stimulus was essentially a cash payout to corporations. Take a look at comcast/twc/att and look how they were rolling in dough on the stimulus.
Plain and simple the big guys ROI period is not there for rural areas, so it should be opened to coops, period which can do this locally and affordability. |
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elray
join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA | LTE wins! AT&T and Verizon are wise to avoid bedding down with the government, committing to maintain long copper loops in rural settings at below-market rates.
LTE will provide a much faster connection at a lower internal ost without the labor headaches. |
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