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| 4chan didn't 4chan already smack paypal around for silliness recently? not saying that theft is a cool thing don't get me wrong there. the way that the entertainment biz in general reminds me a great deal of capitol hill....
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·Optimum Online
 ·Verizon FiOS
| sea change? not really google gonna cut off copyright infringement? and spite their face w/ youtube? there are plenty of money exchanging services.. it remains to be seen if laws can sufficiently be changed to raise the level of piracy to that of terrorism.. that war's been raging for quite some time?
I think not... just found by google search:
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=akAj-TWUq0E |
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| I guess it's pay-pals right to do so. I am sure we will next read about hackers targeting Paypal because some where they think they have a human right to use Paypal. Pirates are pretty clever so this shouldn't be more than a speed bump.
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 loliPremium
join:2002-08-26
South Richmond Hill, NY
·Earthlink Cable ..
| Isn't this old news? June 22, 2012 - »torrentfreak.com/paypal-bans-bit···-120622/
June 26, 2012 - »torrentfreak.com/paypal-restores···-120626/
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Re: I guess it's pay-pals right to do so. Run your own private vpn server to encrypt traffic and your isp will be back step 1 |
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DodgePremium
join:2002-11-27 | Not going to stop anything Aside from the fact that there are other and better options than paypal, here is the simplest way around it:
You buy "points" or "tokens" or whatever you want to call them with paypal (which is allowed), and that becomes "currency"
You then turn around and buy VPN service with said currency.
Systems like this are used by illegal gambling operations to get around gambling laws. |
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 vpokoPremium
join:2003-07-03
Boston, MA | reply to lmbeta8
Re: I guess it's pay-pals right to do so. Running your own VPN server doesn't accomplish anything (other than letting you VPN into your own network from a remote location). |
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 ctceoPremium
join:2001-04-26
South Bend, IN | So it's official Paypal does not support privacy. |
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 n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY | Private Company PayPal is a private company and free to do as they please as long as they do not discriminate on issues of civil rights. eBay banned firearms related items long ago and new auction sites sprang up to handle the market. Perhaps Google Wallet would be willing to handle such payments.
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 FBGuyPremium
join:2005-03-19
Evanston, IL | reply to vpoko
Re: I guess it's pay-pals right to do so. you can still buy a private server with paypal, then you can use that server anything, including setting up a VPN to torrent with. Paypal is being silly and over stepping their bounds. |
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FBGuyPremium
join:2005-03-19
Evanston, IL | reply to n2jtx
Re: Private Company you are right that they are free to do so, but why would they not want that money? They have nothing to lose by allowing those transactions. |
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 IowaCowboyWant to go back to IowaPremium
join:2010-10-16
Springfield, MA
·Comcast
 ·Verizon Broadban..
| Just pay for your content I pay for my cable subscription (video) on Comcast and I pay for my music on iTunes.
I have not received a single letter of copyright infringement from Comcast.
Illegal downloading is just like going into Best Buy or Target and taking the five finger discount on CDs and DVDs.
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I wish I still lived in Iowa; Everything there from rent and groceries to Cable TV is much cheaper in Iowa (especially with an overbuilder in town). |
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| said by IowaCowboy:Illegal downloading is just like going into Best Buy or Target and taking the five finger discount on CDs and DVDs. Not entirely apples to apples. Steal a CD from Best Buy, get sent to jail for petty theft and whatever applicable fines for that jurisdiction because most likely they have your mug on surveillance footage proving beyond reasonable doubt you done took it.
Provide unauthorized, copyrighted works on the internet via Torrent technology, where by downloading you are also uploading, get charged an disproportionate amount of fines and possibly get sent to jail for 5-10 years and it may not have even been you, just someone jumping on your non-encrypted Wi-Fi or bad IP management with your ISP.
Lets say with your permission I zap your car, lets say a Porsche, with a machine that spits out an exact copy, did I steal a car from Porsche? Did I break in to a Porsche dealership and drive away with one of their cars? This highlights the biggest problem with consumer protection laws. I bought something out right and should be able to do whatever I want with it. Now if I break in your garage and zap your car, thats an entirely different story.
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Re: Private Company Good question. Paypal is owned by eBay and it doesn't appear they have any financial ties to the entertainment industry, from their CEO John Donahoe on down.
Almost seems like Chic-fa-let, you are making a public stance on something that really doesn't matter to your business.
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·Time Warner Cable
·Verizon FiOS
·voip.ms
| reply to IowaCowboy
Re: Just pay for your content Negative. Those are different classes entirely.
1. If you go into said store and shoplift, that is theft of property because said owner is BBY, etc and is petit larceny. You are stealing propery (the physical disc)
2. If you download a work AND don't pay for it, then that is a DMCA violation which is considered theft of intellectual property and hence the fines are stiff because the laws were originally meant for say one performer "copying" another not distributing. There is nothing physical to steal (there are bits...)
3. Bootlegs - That falls under performance art, which is another IP violation class altogether and falls under the DMCA too.
So please spread the word correctly, these are all different scenarios. This is why they want physical media to go away, because even if the license they provide for said media prohibits resale, it has been shown they can't even if say a TPP doesn't facilitate the sale. So you buy a CD, you can sell it to anyone you want, regardless of the terms they put on the sale.
A VAST majority of people don't understand IP (intellectual property) laws because in fact the reasoning for the laws go against human nature (which is to spread information not restrict it). I deal w/ IP all day long. Most of these laws are antiquated and are punitive.
At some point when humans evolve we will go back to 1000 years ago when every work of art was treated as such, a treasure to be shared by all mankind, and not pay for every impression. There were sponsors, patrons--today's internet facilitates that. The only difference is that today a master patron (say Universal group) is taking that performance and reselling it to the masses and controlling the distribution through laws, effectively choking competition and distribution. Once content can be performed to the masses without a filter and an adequate way to "patronize" the artist we will again have a renaissance in the arts. In the meantime we have mass consumption drivel. That withstanding there is a ton on indie music out there that is vastly superior to what is presented to the masses. |
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 morboComplete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
00000 | Yet another reason to avoid Paypal Do consumers need yet another reason to avoid using Paypal? The way they seemed too eager to cut off Wikileaks was telling. |
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DodgePremium
join:2002-11-27 | reply to TheHelpful1
Re: Just pay for your content said by TheHelpful1:Lets say with your permission I zap your car, lets say a Porsche, with a machine that spits out an exact copy, did I steal a car from Porsche? Did I break in to a Porsche dealership and drive away with one of their cars? This highlights the biggest problem with consumer protection laws. I bought something out right and should be able to do whatever I want with it. Now if I break in your garage and zap your car, thats an entirely different story.
Screw torrenting, where do I get a copier like that  |
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·ooma
·Optimum Online
·Verizon FiOS
| buy direct.. TPB (after the raid) got into the VPN business.. and AFAIK they're still in it, at least in a small way... since Sweden decided companies can sue people for copyright infringement AND subpoena ISP data to make the case, almost the same as in the USA and UK. Although I dont' think that it's spread evenly throughout Europe (yet).. our USA copyright rules of law..
Many of these Nordic countries have great internet.. 100/100 symmetric was commonplace (5 years ago) for dirt cheap prices.
While the public at-large is oblivious to the growing law enforcement contingent attacking torrent sites as of late.. recently they shuttered Demonoid (probably for good), which was on the top-10 list of best & most popular torrent sites. This probably means they are on-track for something bigger by the end of the year law-enforcement wise.. and if that's the case, VPNs could see skyrocketing business in the USA, if privacy rights begin to be trashed by law enforcement & isps (moreso than they are today).
There are plenty of legit reasons to buy a VPN from a business called "The Pirate Bay"... just as there are plenty of legit reasons to own an AR-15 assault rifle in Aurora Colorado and 100 round magazine clips. Afterall, don't mess with the NRA and the 2nd amendment of the Constitution.... regardless if Reagan's close inner circle got shot up.. it was god's will.. if you look deep enough, I'm sure the Constitution says something good in support of pirates too.. or at least, the right to buy a VPN and not be under suspicion, but this link to terrorism being bought by the copyright industry is worrysome.. constitution be damned when you create fear in people's minds about terrorism.
Will there be big demand for interent once alot of the piracy is gone? Hmm? Chicken and the Egg Mc Muffin.. |
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Rekrul
join:2007-04-21
Milford, CT Reviews:
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| reply to IowaCowboy
Re: Just pay for your content said by IowaCowboy:I pay for my cable subscription (video) on Comcast and I pay for my music on iTunes. Where can I buy digital downloads of movies and TV shows?
Note that I said buy, not rent. You can buy MP3 files, save them to your hard drive, burn them to disc, etc. Where can I go to do the same thing for movies and TV shows?
For example, I'd like to legally download episodes of the 2005 CBS crime drama "Close to Home". Where do I go for that?
When The Avengers comes out on home video, where can I go to buy a digital download of the film? One that I can keep and re-watch as many times as I want, just like I can with MP3 files? |
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| reply to tmc8080
Re: buy direct.. Did you just rationalize someone getting shot in the head and use the same argument for pirating content? |
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