 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | Precedent If Google were to allow this, then everyone else would want to be able to do it as well. I can't blame Google for rejecting the idea.
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Douglasville, GA | No soup for you A walled garden approach would work to prevent open wifi networks from popping up. |
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Re: Precedent said by pnh102:If Google were to allow this, then everyone else would want to be able to do it as well. I can't blame Google for rejecting the idea.
I agree. You'd wind up with a few paying customers who are maxing out their 1Gbps line. And for Google, no way to siphon data for advertising purposes.
What I find fascinating, is that Google believes that building a 1Gbps fiber network is inexpensive enough to make up for in advertising.
No wonder the incumbents are shitting their pants. Google is poised to pull back their curtain so to speak and expose the last mile lie.
The next 12-24 months are going to be interesting. |
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 somms
join:2003-07-28
Salt Lake City, UT | reply to pnh102
said by pnh102:If Google were to allow this, then everyone else would want to be able to do it as well. I can't blame Google for rejecting the idea.
Looks like this could be a black mark against 'evil' Google's KC Fiber project. Not very good PR tactics...
Hell, even my 'socialist' muni FTTH ISP has a heart and offers free internet service and wifi to non-profits!  |
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| why not lots of shared connections it actually surprises me a bit that it has not become the norm for building to have shared connections for tenents |
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Re: Precedent said by somms:said by pnh102:If Google were to allow this, then everyone else would want to be able to do it as well. I can't blame Google for rejecting the idea.
Looks like this could be a black mark against 'evil' Google's KC Fiber project. Not very good PR tactics... Hell, even my 'socialist' muni FTTH ISP has a heart and offers free internet service and wifi to non-profits! Your can write off donations to 503(c) Non-Profits, you can't to poor people. |
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zed260Premium
join:2011-11-11
Cleveland, TN Reviews:
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Re: why not lots of shared connections said by tom thomas:it actually surprises me a bit that it has not become the norm for building to have shared connections for tenents
well most companys have caps to stop that from resedential side
and on bussnuss side using charter as an example it forbids resale of the service unless you get one of the special fiber hookups which are crazy expensive |
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| How much of the 1 Gbps will be for TV? U-verse uses multicast and there feeds to the home and a 4 active streams max.
Now with fiber Google does not need the 4 active streams max and can maybe go 6+ HD fees at 7-10 Mbps MPEG4. |
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 elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | reply to tom thomas
Re: why not lots of shared connections this is how they do it in Japan
they have 1Gps pipe in the building and the tenets share it over ethernet
i have seen some condos that offer service like this too but they have there own TV service as well |
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elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | reply to Joe12345678
Re: How much of the 1 Gbps will be for TV? even if they did it that way it would only take up 500Mbps at most
and leave another 500 free thats STILL a crap ton of bandwidth |
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 GbcueP.E.Premium
join:2001-09-30
Santa Rosa, CA
kudos:8 | reply to Joe12345678
With Google Fiber, they could probably do 50 HD streams @ 10mbps and still not break a sweat. You'd only be using 500 mbps out of 1000 mbps. |
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Re: why not lots of shared connections That's how things are at my building in Chicago. 1Gbps line in the basement, each unit wired with ethernet. TV service is brought in via a DirecTV satelite array on the roof with enough capacity to handle multiple STB's per dwelling. Landline phone service is offered through AT&T as well, but most of us (the smart ones anyway) just use VoIP for that. It's a great setup from multiple angles - we're not at the mercy of any one provider, we pay super cheap rates, and the service is better than anything I've found from FIOS or Xfinity. Needless to say, I'm not moving any time soon. |
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somms
join:2003-07-28
Salt Lake City, UT | reply to AnonFTW
Re: Precedent said by AnonFTW :said by somms:said by pnh102:If Google were to allow this, then everyone else would want to be able to do it as well. I can't blame Google for rejecting the idea.
Looks like this could be a black mark against 'evil' Google's KC Fiber project. Not very good PR tactics... Hell, even my 'socialist' muni FTTH ISP has a heart and offers free internet service and wifi to non-profits! Your can write off donations to 503(c) Non-Profits, you can't to poor people. Michael Liimatta, co-founder of local nonprofit Connecting for Good, said Google told the groups involved that the idea wasn’t in line with planned licensing agreements for the new product, Google Fiber.
Read more here: »www.kansascity.com/2012/06/28/36···link=cpy |
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kinda makes you wonder if google aint got somethin up their sleeve.. their advertising is where they make the most money I kinda wonder if the content people are gonna be looking at on googles servers would be posied with advertising more often the reg.., either way I would love to see advertising if that meant Fiber where im at  |
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Re: How much of the 1 Gbps will be for TV? said by Gbcue:With Google Fiber, they could probably do 50 HD streams @ 10mbps and still not break a sweat. You'd only be using 500 mbps out of 1000 mbps.
possibly a bit more than that, It def makes cable look like crap... |
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 GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:20 | It's not evil for a business to not be a charity Google is a business, not a charity. They expect to make a return on investment on stuff like this, especially if they're using Google Fibre as a proof to show incumbent ISPs that they can deliver this sort of service and still be profitable.
Community sharing group run counter to that. As cool an idea as they are, any kind of mass broadband deployment requires a certain percentage of passed customers to actually sign up for the service for it to be profitable. If a community sharing group substantially reduces the subscription density, it could take what is probably already going to be a relatively low-margin service and make it completely unprofitable. As such, it's perfectly reasonable (and not at all "evil") for Google to take this position.
This is one of the reasons why business services typically cost more than residential services. A good compromise might be for Google to offer to sell the residents who want to do this a business-class service, if they decide to offer such a thing. This could go a long way to offsetting the lost revenue, and could potentially benefit both parties: for example, if a business service cost five times more, but could be shared with ten people, then there is still a substantial cost savings involved.
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Re: why not lots of shared connections Yeah, but your building is paying more than $100 or whatever Google has in mind |
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Re: Precedent There are many types of Non-Profits. Only a 503(c) can write expenses off.
They don't advertise themselves as a 503(c), but rather as "Connecting for Good is a registered Kansas not-for-profit corporation #4563276". |
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| WiFi Sharing Cooperatives for Google Gigabit in KS First, this "news" is a month old. Second, Google stated why it was doing the project during the application period. To create a large web application test environment utilizing very high speed symmetrical FTTH, FTTB, and FTTC serving a large socioeconomically diverse population. They are not going to get the test environment they seek from households connected with a shared community WiFi signal. Google has not even announced pricing, so predictions of unaffordability are premature in my view. What if they decide to charge only $15/month and no installation fee? What if there is no charge for a new 802.11ac WiFi equipped "modem" with 8 Gigabit LAN ports and 4 USB 3.0 ports? And what if they offered, for the first 100,000 households that sign up, a free solid state hard disk drive netbook running Linux Mint? That might be a better deal for low income households than providing low cost connections to a WiFi cooperative. |
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 skeechanAi OtsukaholicPremium
join:2012-01-26
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kudos:2 | Gotta spread that bandwidth around... So much for not being evil...so un-progressive of them especially since they didn't build their business. |
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