YEP! Another Google project they'll walk on. They thought they could do it better. Well Google, put your money where your mouth is and lets see. You thought you could do better in the cell phone industry to; you're attempts failed you on unlocked devices. Then the move to bid up spectrum to create an "open" network; failed. Seems that lately anything they touch fails because they're working on the cheap! Time for them to give up now.
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said by 25139889:They underestimated the power of the industry they are trying to compete in. That goes for the wireless industry, the communication industry, and even the software industry.
Another Google project they'll walk on. They thought they could do it better. Well Google, put your money where your mouth is and lets see. You thought you could do better in the cell phone industry to; you're attempts failed you on unlocked devices. Then the move to bid up spectrum to create an "open" network; failed. Seems that lately anything they touch fails because they're working on the cheap! Time for them to give up now.
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Granite City, IL
they didn't buy the right congressional critter and local government critters. Sucks to be them! Those city inspectors are not cheap ya know!
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Re: YEP! The industry isn't really the problem. It's GOOG trying to skimp on how they install. Putting line crews in dangerous areas to get away for paying on ROW - but refusing to pay for the required linemen? That's not the industry- that's Google being CHEAP!
And Google has the $$ they just fail to put it where they start talking when they claim they can show change. Their change often fails and they walk away like nothing happened and but got free advertising.
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I love this statement by Google:
quote:And that they are. "Google Speed" is a rollout that could take years - just like most of their beta projects. And the support they offer will be "post in a forum and we will get back to you" oh sometime in the next month or so.
it was blessing Kansas City with an ultra-fast Internet service and that it would deploy the hookups at Google speed.
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said by Rob: I think it less about competition, and more about understanding that there are no short cuts, no matter how deep your pockets/influance.
They underestimated the power of the industry...
engineering, constructing, configuring a new network just takes time.
it is part of what they wanted/needed to learn from this experiment
and that is my point! Thank you!
They thought they could under cut in many ways and found out they could not in the end. I wouldn't doubt this project will be killed off before long. They'll have something to say along the lines of "we have experienced [insert new reason here] and we are unable to build out our FTTH network. Thus until further notice the project will not finish. We greatly apologize"
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Very true! and that is the reason they did NOT build a wireless network. They new it would cost $$$$ in support. They don't wanna support EUs they just wanna collect the $$$ anyway they can and be done with it.
As I see it though- the project is basically dead at this point with them. No launch time and this problem again; deff dead.
Google Gigabit delay possible. When we built the Panama Canal, we had delays. The John Hancock building in Chicago was delayed. Big projects can get delayed when undertaken by those new to the business area they are branching out to. Unlike the other failed Google projects, this one would be seen and understood to be a failure by the general public. The other failed projects were technical dreams that were watched by the geeks and nerds of the IT industry. The general public had little idea the projects even existed. Google Gigabit was a nationwide call to action to dream big. Failure will tactically and strategically hurt Google. Dashing the hopes, for better internet service, of a community of 500,000 families is not a good PR move. Dashing the hopes of your researchers for a large scale Gigabit experimental test network, is not good for employee morale. They may have quit projects before, but this is too important to them to be tossed aside. They will get the entire fiber optic network built and operational. I do think, as they have hinted at, that the network may not be operated above a half of a Gigabit symmetrical during its first years of operation. That is what the announcement may be. It takes a lot of stuff to have every home, business, and government building in Kansas City connected at 1,000Mbps symmetrical. Cutting that in half may be a more realistic in the first years.
KC fiber rollout is already significant I'm in KC and am also skeptical if Google can fully pull this off but they have laid down A LOT of fiber. They've contracted to Atlantic Engineering and many are seeing their trucks all over the city actually stringing fiber through the manholes. I see them about every other day at different intersections through Midtown KC - with giant roll of fiber. Two months ago they've reported over 100 miles strung, is likely quite a bit more than that by now.
Even if Google doesn't manage the network in the end, KC is getting a _major_ infrastructure upgrade.
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Re: YEP! $20 says they'll launch...eventually.
Remember, this isn't the first infrastructure project they've sunk funds into. They put a ton of money into Clearwire...unfortunately Clear's scattergun, slipshod approach to network-building means that a new network needs to be built in its place.
Salt Lake City, UT
Fiber to the home for the win!
Having cheap FTTH is the only way to go...I can't ever see going back to any of the older/slower incumbents for internet service. 1 Gbps fiber connection will be insane!
No way !!!! Utopia was a failure , these are faked !!!
Muni for the win !
this stuff is hard running wires/fiber takes time, as does picking equipment vendors and doing all the hard stuff like billing systems and support systems. Running a retail network is a lot harder that connecting their data centers to the internet.
And if they want to launch an IPTV platform on top of that, the problem becomes even harder - look how long it took Verizon and ATT to launch their services.
Buying Moto does provide access to a lot of expertise, if they choose to listen. The problem with being the smartest people in the room is that you can still be wrong in an approach.
They will get this to work, but it takes time to get it right.
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Granite City, IL
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said by 25139889:and everyone will just believe them on that because google can do no wrong. All the meantime they just rake in the cash reading your email and giving you ads, reading your documents and giving you ads, using their voicemail and giving you ads. scanning your search and giving you ads.
Thus until further notice the project will not finish. We greatly apologize"
You have to admit for not dealing with the public, it sure does pay them well. Now all they would have to do is buy facebook and they have the ultimate ad to public revenue stream for the rest of their natural days,and still not really have to deal with the public but make money off them because they are the product being sold!
Just think, facebook able to be searched via google. Can you imagine the ad revenue?
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Re: Fiber to the home for the win! I bet the online gamers are in heaven with a ping of 2ms.
Overhyped by nerds Just like they thought that Android phones were going to be free with no contract and no monthly payments, All you had to do was view ads
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Re: YEP! They will definately launch...eventually
Look at the history
febuary 2010 they announced it, and expected to be operational in 6 months.
then they extend the whole selection process/contest/circus and approval process dragged it out longer, once selected KC had their approvals process, part of which showed google their "just hang it anywhere" idea was unrealistic in the real world.
So an young engineer in Mt. View is learning some reality. (If you've ever spent time at google or any of the tech giants in silly valley you'd know that things get done around their towns at the snap of a finger (and a pile of money) that require a little more thought and compliance with existing regulations elsewhere.
The free thinking enviroment brings up a some real good ideas, and alot of bad ones (most of which never see daylight, thank god!) But does set up a dream sequence/disneyland/neverland/hollywood like reality that sometimes doesn't transfer well to the physical world.
Anybody that thought this would be less than a 2-5 year project just wasn't thinking.
El Paso, TX
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Re: Fiber to the home for the win! Fiber will improve your ping, but only about 5-10 ms