 SnakeoilIgnore Button. The coward's feature.Premium
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| AArghh! Long live the pirates. The industry needs to listen to the consumer, to see what it can do to met the needs of them.
For Example:
HBO season 1 of Game of Thrones. Can't be found on Itunes, Vudu, Netflix, Amazon.
Interestingly, HBO Go starts April first, and if you subscribe to HBO, then you'll have access to HBO's show library. Which is fine.
But for those not wanting to take on the cost of a monthly HBO charge, their only option is the pirate sites.
Same thing applies to Fox. Fox made it harder to see it's programs online. Sure you can buy it from Itunes or Amazon. But if you aren't Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, or Steve Jobs, how can you afford to pay for all the shows?
Again, only option is pirate sites. I know that there will always be pirates, but I'm talking about the antics these guys play that forces a person that doesn't like to pirate, to pirate.
They need to make access to the libraries affordable, and easy. For example:
1]Free mode: Ads placed as often as a normal broadcast.
2]Paid mode [offer levels]
a]Level one: reduced number of ads, better quality stream.
b]Level two: No ads, good quality stream.
c]Level 3: No ads, HD stream.
That way everyone can be "happy".
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 NightfallMy Goal Is To Deny YoursPremium,MVM
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| said by Snakeoil:Long live the pirates. The industry needs to listen to the consumer, to see what it can do to met the needs of them.
For Example:
HBO season 1 of Game of Thrones. Can't be found on Itunes, Vudu, Netflix, Amazon.
Interestingly, HBO Go starts April first, and if you subscribe to HBO, then you'll have access to HBO's show library. Which is fine.
But for those not wanting to take on the cost of a monthly HBO charge, their only option is the pirate sites.
Same thing applies to Fox. Fox made it harder to see it's programs online. Sure you can buy it from Itunes or Amazon. But if you aren't Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, or Steve Jobs, how can you afford to pay for all the shows?
Again, only option is pirate sites. I know that there will always be pirates, but I'm talking about the antics these guys play that forces a person that doesn't like to pirate, to pirate.
They need to make access to the libraries affordable, and easy. For example:
1]Free mode: Ads placed as often as a normal broadcast.
2]Paid mode [offer levels]
a]Level one: reduced number of ads, better quality stream.
b]Level two: No ads, good quality stream.
c]Level 3: No ads, HD stream.
That way everyone can be "happy".
All this and still the pirates will pirate what they want.
While I will agree that access is an issue, there are many other examples where Netflix, Itunes, Vudu, and so on have the material. As you say, "how can you afford to pay for all the shows?".
The cost has to come down to a reasonable level as well. Cheap enough where pirates will question if its worth pirating or not. To some people, the cost will always be too great. To a vast majority of people out there, many will just buy the product if its cheap instead of going through illegal means.
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| Netflix et al create piracy Hell, when these pay services can't get seasons of shows from TWO YEARS AGO hell yeah piracy will thrive. I could easily go donwload Top Gear Season 16 today, but trying to be legit, I want Netflix to provide it for me.....that's what I'm PAYING THEM for!
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SnakeoilIgnore Button. The coward's feature.Premium
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Re: AArghh! Of course. You'll always have people that will do illegal things, regardless if you offer something for free, or next to it.
They get a "rush" off of it. Where as those that are currently "forced" to pirate because of cost/lack of availability/access will stop and use the legal means.
Before Netflix, I used to hit the torrent sites for movies/tv shows. Now that I have netflix, I don't hit the torrent sites. But Hollywood/Networks have jerked Netflix around so much, that torrents are looking good again.
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No,
a] The MPAA and RIAA need to go on another massive lawsuit campaign, and when these people get their notice in the mail, and post on this site, I will LMAO.
b] Flood the globe with millions of copies of screwed up material. I think that would be freakin AWESOME.
I have over 3,000 DVD's / CD's. Im no Bill gates. The balls to think that people think they could/should just take whatever they damn want. To JUSTIFY it by saying its too expensive, my god. Mercedes are expensive, you gonna jack one buddy? Movie tickets are expensive. Oops, youre not only the guy sneaking in the backdoor, youre bringing a video camera.
Whats the statute of limitations on copyright theft ? Love your admission of guilt in a public forum. |
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| Why can't the entertainment companies compete with the pirat That's what the conservative politicians defending/protecting the export of jobs tell to the common Americans that they need to compete with the Chinese slave labor. Why do they need to give RIAA special treatment? |
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 burner50Proud Union THUGPremium,VIP
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Texas
kudos:1 | reply to inteller
Re: Netflix et al create piracy said by inteller:Hell, when these pay services can't get seasons of shows from TWO YEARS AGO hell yeah piracy will thrive. I could easily go donwload Top Gear Season 16 today, but trying to be legit, I want Netflix to provide it for me.....that's what I'm PAYING THEM for!
You cannot fault netflix for that.
It is the people who own the content that demand such tight control over their content. they view Netflix as the pond scum in the ocean of piracy, when in reality, if they would allow netflix to have more content, Piracy would drop dramatically.
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SnakeoilIgnore Button. The coward's feature.Premium
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Re: AArghh! There is a difference between physical media and digital media. Physical media has a cost that stays about the same, from one copy to the next. Digital media, the cost is all in making the first copy. After that, the cost should in theory go down. But then the greed machine kicks in and instead the cost is about the same as physical media. And you get no extra value. At least with physical media you can sell it, and get some money back.
As for movies, I go when the prices are cheap. Monday the tickets are 5 bucks for normal movies 6 bucks for 3d movies. As for stealing a car, compared to digital media. They don't compare.
You may enjoy paying 15 to 30 bucks for a DVD, I don't have the money. Netflix is an economical option for me. How ever hollywood, by jerking around Netflix, is only making it easier for people to risk pirating movies.
All people want is a cheap way of legally watching content. Provide them that, and many will stop pirating.
Paying 20 bucks for a digital copy is to expensive.
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4 edits | my Dusty VCR I used to record shows I'd miss on tape and watch them later,
so to me torrenting for last nights missed episode is not piracy.
this means i "watch TV" more on my 24" LCD than my 32" Tube,
so here I am with a keyboard, mouse, mic, camera, and two big
empty screen boarders.
content providers should be taking advantage of this with side
channels of interactive stuff and advertising, not by making me
feel like a criminal.
RIAA/MPAA are definitely misleading them
into believing enforcement is more lucrative than embracing the
new online reality.
sounds like they are listening more to their
high priced Lawyers, than their Marketing execs - such a pity.
so now instead of paying $7/mo over ISP costs for content,
i pay $7/mo extra to a web proxy/vpn to hide from providers.
seems ridiculous - but that's the current reality this heavy
handed non-evolving content industry has created by itself. |
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Re: AArghh! quote:
As for stealing a car, compared to digital media. They don't compare.
We'll see if your maker agrees. |
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SnakeoilIgnore Button. The coward's feature.Premium
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yabos
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London, ON | Price won't ever go down These companies are all about increasing revenues and profits. Even if they move to digital distribution(say for movies) which costs them less money than producing a physical disk then they still won't offer anything cheaper because their profits will go down. |
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Re: AArghh! MPAA and RIAA only caught a small fraction even in the hay-day of all of their suing. That and they went after an IP address, which a judge ruled was not a person.
Content is overvalued and that is the truth of it.
I will get my Network TV shows, which air freely anyway, from Usenet and won't feel one bit bad about it. |
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Re: Why can't the entertainment companies compete with the pirat Good question that will never get answered by conservative politicians. |
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CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picturePremium
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Re: AArghh! Haha
'Now Snakeoil... you stay off of those pirate sites; they are full of roughians, scoundrels and car theives!'
'Yes maaahhhhh' |
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SnakeoilIgnore Button. The coward's feature.Premium
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| reply to ITALIAN926
a-Legal fees will only reduce their profits, or rather those costs will be passed on to people like you
b-Creeps post encrypted copies and try to get people to pay for the key, and bad encodes are common. "Trusted" sources are important. (Which could be the media companies if they weren't so obsessed with price-gouging)
Your library has value to you, but I delete everything I download, because particular content doesn't have any value to me. You could have bought 3000 blowjobs! You must have some regrets. |
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Re: Netflix et al create piracy They'd rather distribute to 1/10 as many people at prices 20x higher. |
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 Simba7I Void Warranties
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Billings, MT | reply to ITALIAN926
Re: AArghh! Theft? Yep.. I'm stealing your copyright and I'm never giving it back.
I'm getting a bit sick of that term. |
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| The AP story has different points than Karl makes If you read the story it is not at all about technical and legal means of stopping piracy and whether those are effective. It is about WHY people pirate. And it clearly points out what I've been saying here for a long time, trying to inject some reality into the debate. It's not about how piracy is a noble enterprise defending the freedom of the Internet. It's really about markets and satisfying demand. It's business, not revolution!
A large majority of "pirates" pirate because what they want isn't available legally. Only a small minority (e.g. poor college students) pirate because it's free and they can save a few bucks.
The iTunes model has gone a long way to damp down the demand for pirated digital entertainment and digital media. |
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