 vpokoPremium
join:2003-07-03
Boston, MA | Interference Are these meters Part 15 devices? I assume the WISPs are licensed users and could complain to the FCC if a Part 15 device was causing interference.
As far as being charged to turn the radio off, just wrap the meter in foil. You might not kill the signal entirely, but you'll dampen it enough not to cause any more interference. |
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| This is what happens with a spectrum free for all When you just let everyone "have at it" there will of course be interference.
Allowing access to spectrum without a license is like suspending all parking rules in a city. Double parking, parking by the fire hydrant, parking in front of driveways, you name it... anything goes! |
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 Camelot OnePremium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Greenwood, IN
kudos:1 | This is really two separate issues Causing interference with other devices is certainly an issue. But it really shouldn't be tied to companies charging those with "electrosensitivity disorders" more money. (and even spell check says that doesn't exist!)
After all, their ridiculous claims to some imaginary disorder necessitate the need for sending a meter reader to the house, rather than using the remote signal. I would be pissed if it didn't cost them more. |
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openbox9Premium
join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | reply to vpoko
Re: Interference said by vpoko:I assume the WISPs are licensed users and could complain to the FCC if a Part 15 device was causing interference. I wouldn't assume that at all. There are many WISPs that use the ISM bands and are subject to Part 15 compliance. |
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 gaforcesUnited We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA | Testing Doesnt seem like they had to test these meter reading systems before deployment.
No testing, no regulation. Just shove it onto consumers with no thoughts about interfering into other peoples equipment.
Reminds me of Cartman on South Park.
I do what I waont!
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 djdanskaRudie32Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
San Diego, CA
kudos:4 | queue.. Queue the "WHY WON'T YOU THINK OF OUR CHILDREN!!" from the Naperville group in 3..2..1.. |
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vpokoPremium
join:2003-07-03
Boston, MA | reply to openbox9
Re: Interference Ahh, well, if the WISPs are also Part 15 then they don't have much to bitch about: "This device must accept any interference received." |
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 LinklistPremium
join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | said by vpoko:Ahh, well, if the WISPs are also Part 15 then they don't have much to bitch about: "This device must accept any interference received."
Except the FCC has nothing to do with this case. The interference and the WISP involved are in Ontario Canada.
»Smart meters knock out WISP |
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 knightmbEverybody Lies
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN | reply to vpoko
said by vpoko:Ahh, well, if the WISPs are also Part 15 then they don't have much to bitch about: "This device must accept any interference received."
That's true, except WISP can run equipment that nears 4,000 mW in power. I'm actually surprised the WISP isn't stomping all over their equipment. I have towers that use the 900MHz band and there are smart meters as well, but they all stick around the 912MHz frequency, so you just adjust your equipment around it. Both parties are then happy.
From what I read in the article though, this equipment in question just bounces all over the place for channels and was deemed illegal, but still got a government pass.  |
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| The only good thing to take from this is that users can screw up the "Smart Meters" by boosting a 900Mhz radio in the same range to down out the signal of anything else and from what I can tell it would be perfectly legal so long as they stay in an unlicensed band and that its on your property. |
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 fuziwuziNot born yesterdayPremium
join:2005-07-01
Atlanta, GA | reply to Camelot One
Re: This is really two separate issues said by Camelot One:... their ridiculous claims to some imaginary disorder...
No doubt there are many who make such claims who are simply psychosomatic or hypochondria, it would be disingenuous to also claim all of them are "imaginary". Just as some people can smell things that others can't (like cyanide) or see things others can't (documented cases of people who can see in the near-ultraviolet range), there is a possibility that some people could also be attuned to other wavelengths.
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vpokoPremium
join:2003-07-03
Boston, MA | reply to Linklist
Re: Interference Oops, you are right. Though Canada has a similar regulation known as RSS-210. |
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| Not marked as... UL listed from what I have heard. Yank them fire hazards out! |
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 IowaCowboyWant to go back to IowaPremium
join:2010-10-16
Springfield, MA
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| All of our meters are remote read. Our utility (Northeast Utilities/WMECo) has been using remote read meters for years. The meters are read when the utility drives by in a van with a transceiver connected to a laptop. Our water utility (run by the city of Springfield) installed a remote read meter several years ago. Same with the Gas (although we don't have gas coming into the house, but I wish we had it as it is cheaper than electric heat). I never have any health issues or problems with my electronics.
Central Maine Power just put in smart meters and I am not having any issues with the electronics at Grandma's house.
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 firephotoFacts hurtPremium
join:2003-03-18
Brewster, WA | Not all remote meters are RF Some use a Power Line Carrier, PLC, system so you don't have to necessarily get upset if you know you have a remote read meter.
This isn't to say that the PLC systems can't cause some interference but it's not direct like the ones mentioned here. 
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jcremin
join:2009-12-22
Siren, WI
kudos:2 | reply to vpoko
Re: Interference said by vpoko:Ahh, well, if the WISPs are also Part 15 then they don't have much to bitch about: "This device must accept any interference received." The problem is that the stupid "smart meters" chew up the ENTIRE 900mhz band when they could simply use 1% of it to transmit a very tiny amount of usage data, leaving the majority of the band available to other users. |
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Re: All of our meters are remote read. AEP Ohio Created what looks like a mesh network, the meters talk to antennas on poles in the neighborhood, and those run back over fiber they buried 5 years ago. This setup is US DOE funded and supposed to also have them find out about outages sooner and manage the load better. Also rolled out thermostats that talk to the meters that let them cut off the AC under high load events and you get a discount for not overriding it. |
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| Smart Meter Interference PEOPLE MORE VULNERABLE THAN MACHINES
Why do people recognize that the smart meters interfere with equipment, but they can't imagine that they also interfere with people's biology which is tens of thousands of times more complex than any machine and exponentially beyond that number with more points that can be affected or triggered to affect other parts of the body.
I can understand the utility company shills and industry parrots that enter these sights, but how do regular people get so duped by these false and absurd claims of safety? |
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BiggA
join:2005-11-23
EARTH | reply to vpoko
Re: Interference Yeah, the two companies need to get together and figure it out. Either that or move to a different technology. |
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 Simba7I Void Warranties
join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | reply to jcremin
No doubt.. Just use a single channel on the 900MHz band and SNMP to each smart meter.
Each SNMP request shouldn't eat that much data. It'd be nice if I could graph a smart meter myself. |
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