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Re: FAA approves iPad for all phases of flight sounds like apple paid off the right people |
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 Vchat20Landing is the REAL challengePremium join:2003-09-16 Columbus, OH | reply to rradina Here's the key bits: They only disallow using electronic devices during takeoff and landing up to around ~10K feet. Likely the unseen reason for the policy that wasn't used in favor of a more believable and solid reason of possible electronic interference is to actually keep passengers alert and not nose glued into an electronic device when the takeoff and landing portions of the flight are the most likely to have an accident or failure of some kind.
And like another poster above: I'd much sooner trust a pilot to abide by the policy than a passenger. They have a much more vested interest in piloting the plane safely. Although it should be the same for the passengers, they aren't sitting in the cockpit either.  -- I swear, some people should have pace-makers installed to free up the resources. Breathing and heart beat taxes their whole system, all of their brain cells wasted on life support.-two bit brains, and the second bit is wasted on parity! ~head_spaz |
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Re: Financial Interests Right, because only standalone GPS units exist. Nevermind the one in the phone, the cost to replace the one in the car..
Have the government mandate the telcos and cable companies wire everyone for broadband and get it over with. No silly spectrum wars, and nothing getting done because the wireless companies are always jumping on a new 4G 'Flavor of the Month'. -- Moe, I need your advice
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Re: RE:US calls for near total in-car phone ban, even hands free said by BF69:said by Linklist:I didn't say anything about drunk driving laws at all. Basically you did. You said any laws are just the naanny state taking away your freedom. Prove it. Show where I said that. I didn't. |
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 LinklistPremium join:2002-03-03 Longport, NJ kudos:5 | reply to Kearnstd said by Kearnstd:said by BF69:said by Linklist:Nanny government at work once again. There is absolutely no lengths the gov't won't go to to save "JUST ONE LIFE". Of course the insurance industry is a big driver of this attitude. But there will always be a government bureaucrat or elected nonentity that will be willing to remove our freedoms to save that 1 life. So I guess you're mad there are drunk driving laws too then? You do NOT have the freedom to text and drive. Driving by the way is a PRIVELIDGE not a RIGHT. What you think people should just do whatever they want and ANY laws are bad? That's anarchy. And sorry anarchy is not freedom. I'm sorry but even in a free society there are rules and laws that must be adhered too. If you do not wish to be "ruled" then LEAVE and find a secluded island somewhere.. now remember he does not support no laws at all. he does seem to back up draconian anti-piracy laws that support the MAFIAA. somehow ICE being allowed to steal domains illegally without a court order or any body of proof a site is in the wrong is not taking away rights, but banning driver usage of a cell phone is taking away rights. Off topic rant. please stay on topic. -- The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, I'm from the government and I'm here to help. »www.politico.com/rss/2012-election-blog.xml
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Re: Ironic? The point IS that paper maps and charts are going away.
Maps and charts are in-flight reference materials for pilots. They aren't trying to figure out where they are going and trying to plot a course during takeoff and landing. If the pilots think the ipad might interfere with electronics in the cockpit they will turn them off during takeoff and landing just like passengers are required to do. |
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now, i will grant you the RFI emitted from those examples are magnitudes higher than that of a cellphone/ipad screen, and i seriously doubt they put out enough interference to cause harm to an airplane radio especially considering how much RFI the inflight entertainment probably pumps out.. |
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Re: US calls for near total in-car phone ban even with bluetooth said by Rogue Wolf:On the upside, if you ever get a call from a politician, you can just say loudly "I CAN'T TALK NOW, I'M DRIVING" and hang up.
We get about the same level of attention from them now, anyway.  Something like "I CAN'T TALK NOW, I'M MAKING LAWS!" Please feel free to substitute in "THINK" for "TALK" in that last sentence and it makes just as much sense  |
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 rradina join:2000-08-08 Chesterfield, MO | reply to Vchat20
Re: FAA approves iPad for all phases of flight said by Vchat20:Here's the key bits: They only disallow using electronic devices during takeoff and landing up to around ~10K feet. Likely the unseen reason for the policy that wasn't used in favor of a more believable and solid reason of possible electronic interference is to actually keep passengers alert and not nose glued into an electronic device when the takeoff and landing portions of the flight are the most likely to have an accident or failure of some kind. What? Those "key bits" will remain "unseen". They don't stop you from reading something made out of paper and someone reading a book is no more alert or aware of impending doom than someone using an e-reader. If you believe differently, please elaborate.
Regarding pilots following the rules, they approved use of the devices for ALL aspects of flight, not just cruising at altitude.
I think the "key bits" and "unseen reason" is that our litigious society has created an environment where absolutely NO AIRLINE wants to be the first to lift this policy. If they do and even if there's video proof of a fire in the engine on take off, some conspiracy nut will say, "You know, they were the only ones to allow folks to use electronic devices. I wonder if little Johnny's GameBoy caused that fire in the engine." ...and let the class-action lawsuits begin.
I discussed this yesterday with a colleague and he said that private planes don't have this policy. Having flown on our corporate jet numerous times, I looked at him and realized that I think he's right. I don't remember ever being told to turn off electronic devices on our corporate jet. |
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Re: RE:US calls for near total in-car phone ban, even hands free A nanny state wouldn't be necessary if Americans weren't so stupid in the first place. |
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Re: Ironic? and how much RFI the aircraft gets until it goes over a few thousand feet from well everything on the ground including the power grid. id imagine a 500kv transmission line is an absolute RF blaster. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports |
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Re: RE:US calls for near total in-car phone ban, even hands free said by puck0114:A nanny state wouldn't be necessary if Americans weren't so stupid in the first place. that is truth, I mean we need warning labels to tell people not to use a blow dryer in a bath tub, or that a jar of Planeters Honey roasted Peanuts contains Peanuts.
And the simple fact we have to have a law to fasten seatbelts when it should be common sense. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports |
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 LinklistPremium join:2002-03-03 Longport, NJ kudos:5 | reply to Wilsdom said by Wilsdom:Writing new laws is what legislatures do, freedom or sanity be damned. A kid somehow drowns in MA and his guilt-ridden father gets a law passed to get kids to "swim" in life-vests at camps. Looks like despite the NTSB recommendation, little chance most states will actually ban hands free cellphone use in cars. Texting is a different matter.
»news.yahoo.com/why-cell-phones-n···867.html
But Americans tolerate all kinds of danger, death and even mayhem in the name of personal freedom. We insist on it, in fact, and policymakers listen. The U.S. political system routinely prioritizes freedom over safety.
It would take a stoic governor out of touch with voter preferences and unconcerned about re-election to sign an actual cell-phone ban into law
But the cell phone has practically become standard equipment in most American cars, and there's virtually no chance the government will pry it out of there. I hope this writer is correct. -- The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, I'm from the government and I'm here to help. »www.politico.com/rss/2012-election-blog.xml
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 LinklistPremium join:2002-03-03 Longport, NJ kudos:5 | reply to Linklist said by Linklist: So, where does it end? I'll tell you - the Google dream of a machine driven car with ZERO human control after plugging in the destination. And all in the name of trying to remove ANY human risks at all from life. And Google Moves right in to the Nanny Gov't plans with the driverless car patent: »www.techradar.com/news/world-of-···-1048313
Google has been granted a patent for driverless car technology, which can fully take over the control of a vehicle from a human driver.
This full-fat version of cruise control uses web functionality to trigger the automated driving tech, with one of the images which goes alongside the patent showcasing what seems to be a massive QR code embedded into a road.
It seems that once a driver of one of Google's automatic cars drives over the QR code or reference indicator, as it is called in the patent the car then takes over the controls.
Google has been looking into the idea of driverless cars for a while now and even outlined its proposal for an automatic car in its last Zeitgeist, where Larry Page explained: "It's an area that I've had some interest in since I was a grad student. It seemed pretty practical actually, I mean you think that driving a car is hard but it is not actually that hard for a computer if [it] has good data about what's about it."
-- The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, I'm from the government and I'm here to help. »www.politico.com/rss/2012-election-blog.xml
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