Go to Hell, Google So, to prevent Google from stealing my data, I have to spend time and effort modifying my network and touching each and every device that connects to my wireless network?
an alternative Why don't they make it opt in instead? If the SSID doesn't include _maprouter, then it doesn't get added. If it's such a good thing I'm sure everyone will want to be included.
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said by rmdir:Because that would make too much sense..
Why don't they make it opt in instead? If the SSID doesn't include _maprouter, then it doesn't get added. If it's such a good thing I'm sure everyone will want to be included.
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Granted, many of the people shocked and bothered by the fact that Google is collecting publicly available data from unsecured hotspots may not know how to change their SSID name in the first place.Given the number of AP's I see named "NETGEAR" and "Linksys", I am not surprised there are people who do not know how to change it. Maybe the router vendors should start added _nomap themselves to the default name.
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reply to rmdir
Re: an alternative A PR solution by Google. Nobody is going to bother doing this method. So Google claims they did good knowing it won't affect their collection of SSID's at all.
And what about other map vendors like Bing Maps? They have their own data collection vendors. Will they use the Google method or will they want their own opt-out method.
reply to kapil
Re: Go to Hell, Google Are you running an open wifi network?
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Who Cares? I still don't see what the big deal is. They are not stealing anything, they are scanning the air and picking up the SSIDs that are easily available that anyone can already see. Keeping track of Wifi locations benefits anyone who pulls up a service that uses that information to help pin point a persons location faster than GPS can normally lock onto a signal.
Making it opt in only would make the service worthless, as most people don't know how, or won't put the effort into applying the map flag. This provides a solution for those few users who are offended or surprised by the fact that the wireless signal goes through walls into public space.
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Re: Go to Hell, Google I have multiple SSIDs...one for personal use that's locked down and one I keep open for anyone to use.
reply to kapil
Trivially easy to fake a MAC address in every router Given that it is trivial to falsify a MAC address in a router, my own bit of payback is to fake a new MAC address every couple of weeks. That way Google will have lots of meaningless data polluting their file, which reduces its value.
And the side benefit is that by changing MAC addresses from time to time, I get new IP addresses assigned by Comcast, meaning that anyone trying to track me by IP address is going to have that much additional trouble doing so. Not impossible, of course, but one more hurdle to climb.
LOL. I did some consulting work around "reputation management" and that was one of the primary strategies to overcome negative online information...clutter up the search results with fake content to obfuscate and drown out the negative stuff. It works much better than trying to send out DMCA notices and lawsuit threats to every no-name website out there.
Isn't changing the MAC address every few days too much work though? I wish there was a way to script it...
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Google is turning into this... All your base are belongs to us....
reply to kapil
Re: Go to Hell, Google So you didn't give your time and effort to configure your network to prevent others from "stealing" your data?
reply to tpkatl
Re: Trivially easy to fake a MAC address in every router
said by tpkatl:Does Google drive by your house every couple of weeks? I honestly don't understand people's concern with this trivial collection of data. Beyond someone knowing the general vicinity of the "Hot-Stud-27" SSID, I don't understand the problem.
Given that it is trivial to falsify a MAC address in a router, my own bit of payback is to fake a new MAC address every couple of weeks.
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reply to tpkatl
This wouldn't do anything as I'm sure the Google street view car doesn't roll down your street every couple of weeks...
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I wonder... How many "linksys_nomap" and "netgear_nomap" SSIDs we will see...
Seems like that would be kinda silly though
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Re: Trivially easy to fake a MAC address in every router The database is also self-healing. Devices that use the database transmit the networks they see, and if one that *should* be there stops showing up for a while, it gets deleted.
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My SSID is hidden and secured My SSID is hidden and secured. My neighbor has asked to use my internet but I refused as it is a direct violation of Comcast's terms of service so he uses a router called linksys.
All of my CPE (including my EMTA) is customer owned. The only Comcast owned equipment in my house is the CableCards in the two TiVO boxes I own.
sorry but... why is Google's solution for me to change MY SSID?
reply to kapil
Re: Go to Hell, Google That is a great SSID !!
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um, no I agree w/Kapil's 1st post...
Second, I guess there's no way to retroactively tell them, "no, take my AP off of your map..."
Does this mean they're going to "start over" sometime soon, or that they update such info with any regularity (people do this thing called moving sometimes...)???
Third - no. Just no. Why should I have to change my network? I just set it up.
Besides, I really don't feel like hooking up a mouse/keyboard AGAIN to my HTPC, just to change wireless settings.
Oh, and having your SSID include that "_nomap" bit is about the lamest thing I've ever heard. NOBODY, repeat, NOBODY would actually *want* this to be a part of their SSID...
They really should give up on this, it's pointless anyway. If somebody wants to scan for wifi, they can do it themselves - they aren't going to consult google first on this I'm afraid.
...besides, it's slightly different than -publicly- accessible TV broadcast, for example...