  LinklistPremium
join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 |  No meter!! Then OK to go over cap w/o penalty
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join:2004-08-01
Detroit, MI
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| Re: No meter!! Then OK to go over cap w/o penalty said by Linklist:Sounds like AT&T has given the OK to go over the cap without penalty - as long as you don't have the bandwidth meter.
Ha, try flying that over with AT&T and see how far you get.
said by Linklist:Of course, there is Catch 22 - how will you prove that if you go over cap and your bill shows overage charges. What, did you really think that isn't in the TOS somewhere? 
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moes
join:2009-11-15
Indianapolis, IN | meters Meter is active here | |
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| | | Re: meters No meter here yet (Northeast Ohio) | |
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| | | | Re: meters I used to live in Parma, I have a friend in Cuyahoga Falls and has AT&T DSL and he got his notice on the 250GB Limit a few weeks back and I have another friend in Downtown Cleveland between 77 & 71 and he got his notice to. | |
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join:2009-11-15
Indianapolis, IN | Re: meters it's 150gb for dsl and 250gb for uverse | |
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| maubs
join:2010-02-26
Farmington, IL | No meter in Central IL. | |
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| | | | Re: meters I still get this on their website:
AT&T is not able to capture usage data on all of its customers. Customers whose usage is not available for viewing should not be concerned about their usage patterns for billing purposes.
To learn more about how to manage your usage, please visit www.att.com/internet-usage | |
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| Re: meters This is what I'm seeing in San Diego as well. I've been getting that same message ever since the caps were announced. It doesn't inspire confidence in me that they will bill us correctly once they do get it up and running.
I mean heck, why announce an effective date for the caps if you don't even have the backend monitoring setup for it? | |
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| | Prices with Cappd Billing Now that caps are slapped on data consumption, do prices go down to reflect User Based Billing (UBB)? Nope, not at all. Just overages @ $10/GB. A money grab, pure and simple. | |
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| | | Re: Prices with Cappd Billing Well duh! How else is AT&T going to increase revenue while protecting their TV division. Investors would have taken them to task if they had decreased prices, they're already cheaper than cable. | |
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| |  timcuthBraves FanPremium
join:2000-09-18
Pelham, AL
·AT&T Southeast
| Re: Prices with Cappd Billing said by JasonOD :Well duh! How else is AT&T going to increase revenue while protecting their TV division. Investors would have taken them to task if they had decreased prices, they're already cheaper than cable.
They are not cheaper than cable, here. I can get four times the nominal speed for $3 less per month on cable. And that is at the normal monthly rate, not the startup promo rate. The reasons I don't switch are 1) the wife doesn't want me to; 2) I hear as much bad stuff about Charter as I do about AT&T.
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| | | | | Re: Prices with Cappd Billing said by timcuth:They are not cheaper than cable, here. I can get four times the nominal speed for $3 less per month on cable. And that is at the normal monthly rate, not the startup promo rate. The reasons I don't switch are 1) the wife doesn't want me to; 2) I hear as much bad stuff about Charter as I do about AT&T.
Tim
Charter is horrible and I hate them with a passion. That said, I just cancelled my AT&T DSL and phone and switched to Charter. Why? Because at least Charter has been willing to invest in infrastructure in my city. Charter has rolled out reasonably high speeds across most, if not all, of the city. However, U-Verse deployment has been sparse and availability is basically a joke. So all other things being equal (caps, shitty service, billing errors), at least Charter has made an investment in bringing decent internet speeds to most of its customers here. So I'm going to "reward" them for that. Best of all, instead of getting 2.5M on an up to 3M DSL line (the "best" they would offer me), I've been getting higher than my up to 12M rated speed on Charter.
I'm done with AT&T. | |
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| openbox9Premium
join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | It's only pseudo-UBB beyond the cap. Why would you honestly expect the prices to decrease? | |
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|  MizzatWill post for thumbsPremium
join:2003-05-03
Atlanta, GA
kudos:1 | said by podstolom:Now that caps are slapped on data consumption, do prices go down to reflect User Based Billing (UBB)? Nope, not at all. Just overages @ $10/GB. A money grab, pure and simple.
Prices have gone down over the years. I paid $45/mon, now rates are $30 or less/month. I see your point, but that model is different than cable that tended to go up about $5 a year, it seemed and also had caps.
And it was $10 per 50GB, not per GB, so that is $0.20/GB. Just say'n...
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|  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | said by podstolom:Now that caps are slapped on data consumption, do prices go down to reflect User Based Billing (UBB)? Nope, not at all. Just overages @ $10/GB. A money grab, pure and simple.
There will never be *TRUE UBB* in which you're handled like the electric company does. true ubb would have "emailing granny" paying $14 instead of $50!
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join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | No meter available? So, it's only available in certain areas.. Unfortunately, those areas also have caps implemented.
Sounds like Piss Poor Planning to me. They should have the meter available to everyone BEFORE they even start using caps.
Of course, we are talking about at&t here.
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join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | Re: No meter available? What I don't understand is why the tool is ok for some areas, but not others. Doesn't seem like it should be too difficult to poll the DSLAM ports for the users and provide the data in a nice pictorial form. several OSS, vendor proprietary, as well as commercially available tools exist to do it already. After all, if a 7ish year old Linky with free OSS firmware can do it, one would think AT&T should be able to. | |
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| | Simba7I Void Warranties
join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | Re: No meter available? Shouldn't be that hard, especially with SNMP.
Hell, Cacti does this. Just poll the Cable/DSL modem or CMTS/DSLAM every night at about 2a. It's just a few kb (if that) for each customer and they can get an accurate graph on what they consumed each day. | |
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 JonPremium
join:2001-01-20
Lisle, IL | Meters Not Enabled in All Markets? Did they hire captain obvious as their spoke person? | |
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 IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman
join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
kudos:1 | Monetizing dumb pipes... Have to hand it to the Deathstar...
They've managed to remonetize dumb pipes...
Welcome back to the Prodigy and Aol days... The golden years of the Internet. Instead of being by the hour, now it's by the GB.
Sad. | |
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| openbox9Premium
join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | Re: Monetizing dumb pipes... It was inevitable and has been in the works for a while now. I'm amazed that people continue to be surprised that the ISPs refuse to be relegated to measly earnings and true dumb pipe status. | |
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| | | | Re: Monetizing dumb pipes... Once they provide the connectivity and the IP address there is not a single thing that any user of any ISP can't do on the internet that the ISP is not explicitly blocking. Sounds to me like they are a dumbpipe.
So I'm surprised ISP's havent just realized they are nothing more than a dumbpipe and split divisions in their companies. | |
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join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | Re: Monetizing dumb pipes... The point is that ISPs, and any successful business for that matter, will strive to increase their revenues. Business decisions and goals often are at odds with consumers desires. True success is realized when a business can entice customers into believing that business decisions are good for them. Or when comfortable monopolies exist...whichever occurs first  | |
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| | | | | | Re: Monetizing dumb pipes... said by openbox9:...Or when comfortable monopolies exist...whichever occurs first
I'd say the latter option won...
It all comes down to a question of "how much is enough". Nobody at AT&T cares that an already (more than) successful billing model is in place. They're looking for ways to bleed even more money from consumers for their services with no regard to the actual cost of providing said service. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Monetizing dumb pipes... You are correct, but that is true of all companies because you need to remember the laws are setup establishing that companies are there to make as much money as possible for the investors. How they do it and the benefits they bring society as a whole is an afterthought. Ethics and morals be damned!
Even with that though, they could sacrifice short gains to establish long term gains but then you have the stock jockeys all up in arms. Which is funny considering they, in a vast majority of the cases, dont even have voting rights in the company to begin with. | |
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join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | Why are you worried about actual costs? Underlying costs only matter for the business striving to grow the bottom line. Beyond an obvious minimum, costs really dont enter the equation of what customers will pay. | |
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| | | | When I look at the earnings those companies have made under the unlimited plans that have been standard the last decade, one word I wouldn't use to describe them is "measly." | |
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join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | Re: Monetizing dumb pipes... It's all about growth | |
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| | | | said by openbox9:...the ISPs refuse to be relegated to measly earnings... I hope that was sarcasm (for a company that made almost $20 billion last year). | |
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join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | Re: Monetizing dumb pipes... No sarcasm intended. If you've been around here long at all, you'll know that I tend not to joke about things like financials. | |
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 wings10I Am LegendPremium
join:2004-06-09
South Elgin, IL |  Unlimited in the meantime
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| Qixotl
join:2002-02-08
New Milford, CT | Re: Unlimited in the meantime Yep, that is what the meter webpage keeps saying for me here in CT. I will hold AT&T to that.
The U-verse data measurement report is currently under construction. When completed, you will be notified if your usage exceeds the allowance. Until that time, U-verse customers should not be concerned about their usage patterns for billing purposes. | |
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join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
kudos:1 | And when it comes.... How do we really know it is accurate? | |
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join:2000-06-12
Nashville, TN | Meter In my location the meter comes and goes. It is currently gone.
Once upon a time there was a "prior" selection that reported the previous month's usage along with the "history" report. "Prior" is gone, too.
This situation is so fouled up are we sure the government isn't somehow involved? | |
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| maartenaElmoPremium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
kudos:1 | Re: Meter said by Jon J:This situation is so fouled up are we sure the government isn't somehow involved?
Nope, this is pure capitalism at its finest hour. 
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| | | | Re: Meter said by maartena:said by Jon J:This situation is so fouled up are we sure the government isn't somehow involved?
Nope, this is pure capitalism at its finest hour. Deregulation at it's finest. The telco's have been lobbying for this for a very long time and you're finally seeing the reason they spent so much money to do so. | |
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| | | Re: Rollover bytes? Personally - I wish that AT&T did this with data as they do with voice (wireless).
This adds a positive incentive to keep data from going over limits vs. penalties of overages. | |
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| maartenaElmoPremium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
kudos:1 | said by extreme50:Do unused bits and bytes rollover to the next month?
Nope.... I wish they did that, but nope.
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zipjay
join:2003-03-11
South Williamson, KY | one thing you could do... If you dont have the meter, call them up (alot) and ask a rep how much you have used so far. mostly just to tie up customer service as much as possible. Make sure to mention that you wish you didn't have to make these calls, if only there was a way to track how much you have used. | |
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|  ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
kudos:4
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| Re: one thing you could do... said by zipjay:If you dont have the meter, call them up (alot) and ask a rep how much you have used so far. mostly just to tie up customer service as much as possible. Make sure to mention that you wish you didn't have to make these calls, if only there was a way to track how much you have used.
Worst idea ever. No meter, no cap and overage. Calling them and begging for the meter will shorten that time you have cap free.
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| | | worst idea ever! do you happen to work for the AT&T PR firm  . Call them up if you have a meter and then make them give you the URL for your metered usage and obviously you would have problems loading the page and then ask them to give you the each usage bandwidth. | |
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join:2006-04-15
Peachtree City, GA | Not Metering - Central Georgia The U-verse data measurement report is currently under construction. When completed, you will be notified if your usage exceeds the allowance. Until that time, U-verse customers should not be concerned about their usage patterns for billing purposes.
Zip: 30269 / Peachtree City, GA | |
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| | Silliness No doubt the caps were instituted because some hand wringing stockholders at the last stockholders meeting were whining that they weren't getting a fast buck quick enough and that their earnings weren't growing fast enough. Never mind that we are still in a recession. These fast buck grumps don't care about reality.
So of course the executives run around in a panic figuring out how they are going to make some fast money and finally decide on the cap idea. They devise a series of questions in a way that will give the answers they want to support the caps (weakly) and then implement them. But in the process they don't even bother to provide a reliable means for the customer to verify how much they are using (down to the last megabyte).
Well, given all of this being true it is a good thing I cancelled my service with ATT a long time ago. LOL If I had still been a customer now I would have cancelled in a heartbeat. Why should we as customers be treated this way. Take your money and go somewhere else if you can.
I was with TWC for a while but I cancelled them too because of the bill they pushed in the general assembly in NC to limit municipal broadband. Same thing again, they are looking out for themselves and not the customers they depend on for their revenue. So again, it was time to take my money somewhere else. Good riddens.
ATT and TWC? Do you realize you lost a long time paying customer who always paid on time? Does that not matter? Nope, well then don't expect anymore money out of my pocket again. | |
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| | no meter in St. Louis No sign of a meter here in St. Louis.
My understanding of their message is that until we have the meter, the cap isn't being applied.
If I were to get the email about overages, without access the meter, I will file a complaint with both FCC and FTC. | |
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| | | Re: no meter in St. Louis Won't do you any good...both agencies work for AT&T. | |
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| | | | Re: no meter in St. Louis FYI Dosent work in Columbus, OH still. | |
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| | | you should just start downloading like crazy to try and get to 500GB of usage, just to tell them you had no way of knowing, not your fault. | |
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| | Monopoly / Antitrust Issue? Translation: The caps are only being applied to areas where there is no competition? | |
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|  NormanSPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
kudos:9
·SONIC.NET
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| Re: Monopoly / Antitrust Issue? said by capcapcap :Translation: The caps are only being applied to areas where there is no competition?
I don't think that is the explanation. My usage meter is working, but I have the option to jump over to Comcast (caps, but no UBB for going over), DSL Extreme (current AT&T reseller contract has no caps), or Sonic.net Fusion (not resold AT&T, no caps).
Latest usage.
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| | | Re: anyone know a good hacker or Crooked tech? the days of the hot box is there away to even do that now days with DSL? | |
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| FTTP the hold up? I don't know how I can confirm this but I'm wondering if markets where there is a mix of FTTP/VDSL is where the caps aren't working.
IIRC AT&T was going to pull these stats from the DSLAM and I'm wondering if the software and/or hardware needs an update for this to work in some of these markets.
Just an idea.... | |
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|  d_lBarsoomPremium,MVM
join:2002-12-08
Reno, NV
kudos:7 | Re: FTTP the hold up? Funny how AT&T didn't have any problems setting Reno up with a broadband metering page when testing bandwidth caps here, but can't do it now that the caps are for everyone.
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| | If service was just better I would switch Charter 12mbs down internet $34.95. My current AT&T service top speed offered 3.0mbs down (barely maintains 2.5) $37.95. | |
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| | | Re: If service was just better I would switch My area just made 3.0 available about 3 years ago. The way they update this area we may never see caps. Not that many customers at this prefix | |
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 TMMerlinThe Devil made me do it
join:2003-06-19
Oxford, MI
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| News flash .. "AT&T enhances Netflix video in the mail model NetFlix wins on both sides of the argument of metering. To meter or not to meter DSL, Netflix business model WINS ..!
I can stream movies at will and if I am close to my AT&T cap, I will just get movies in the mail !
I won't cancel U-Verse due to DSL caps as the HDTV is far superior to Satelite and/or Cable.
No matter though, I have a big jar of vasoline to help ease the pain of the big BOHICA that all the carriers send there "valued customers" ..!
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| | No meter here in Dallas TX I been logging in almost everyday, sometime 2-3x a day since we received the new TOS and since AT&T announced the Cap, what? a month ago or longer.
I just logged in 10 min ago and still nothing... same message, AT&T cannot capture blah blah blah... | |
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