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 |  HarleyYacYacoPremium join:2001-10-13 Allendale, NJ kudos:2 | Re: Boost inaccurate. It states I have a 25/3 when I have 25/15. Also my fios tested on another site is 25/25 which is accurate. Lee | |
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 |  |  |  |  BarneyBadAssBadasses Fight For FreedomPremium join:2004-05-07 00001 | Re: Boost Um... er... could these folks be involved with this??
Barack Nancy Harry Stenny
Could this lead anyone to a conclusion about how
1) accurate this is likely to be? 2) how useful this will turn out 3) how much more tax we'll be charged for this "new" tool that's already been developed by private companies and the G'ment wants to re-engineer it ?
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Please note that the Consumer Broadband Test in its current software based form may not be an accurate representation of connection quality provided by your broadband provider. The results can be impacted by a range of factors -- for instance, the test can vary based on the geographical distance of the user from the testing server, end-user hardware, network congestion, and time of day. The REAL reason for these tests - broadband mapping data:
FCC may use data collected from the Consumer Broadband Test (Beta), along with submitted street address, to analyze broadband quality and availability on a geographic basis across the United States. Powerboost and other factors are inconsequential to the main purpose - mapping data. | |
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| Tried it within moments of the news hitting NANOG first thing this morning, and the speeds weren't even close. The Java app pegged me at 1.3M down 18M up. The flash app was the opposite, only more extreme. 24M down 0.3M up.
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1 edit | The test is inaccurate... I tested my cable internet on it, and it said I had about 30 Meg (even though I only have 7 Meg Road Runner, but with Powerboost(tm).
If they want accurate, they are going to have to do something to mitigate the Powerboost to get the rated service speed. | |
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 |  EricthornIt only hurts when I laughPremium join:2001-08-10 Paragould, AR | Re: The test is inaccurate... Agreed - it's giving me about 2.7m down and any other test anywhere I go gives me less than 2m, usually in the 1.8m range which is accurate.
It wouldn't surprise me a bit if the carriers have some hand in this... -- Ever try stuffing a melted marshmallow up a wildcat's ass? It can be done, but you have to like your job. - This Is The Way The World Ends by James Morrow - Join a DC club, it can't hurt you! | |
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Here is my result from broadband.gov speedtest:

And here is regular speedtest: 
There is no powerboost on my connection. | |
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| Re: The test is inaccurate... There are 2 tests available at BB.gov the Ookla (short test, see maximum powerboost effect) and the Mlab version (larger/more complex test, PB has little effect, (but jitter measuremnet is unrealistic) ) Which test you see first is randomized, everyone should be sure to take BOTH tests, each time they visit the site, so any data collected is closer to reality. That said it is a beta, and the location data is probably more important than the speed data at this point (if you don't feel comfortable using your own address, please use one nearby, so as not to skew the location HAVE/HAVE NOT part. It's not like you really are hidding using a fake/distant location, they can trace your IP if the really want too anyway.) | |
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 |  |  |  |  | | Re: The test is inaccurate... The problem is that the mlab test doesn't work with Firefox on Linux, which is what I'm using.
It also doesn't work with chrome on windows 7 which is what I also used.
If this test is IE only they're going to get a lot of skewed results. Not everyone wants to use IE. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  LinklistPremium join:2002-03-03 Longport, NJ kudos:5 1 edit | Re: The test is inaccurate... said by fifty nine:The problem is that the mlab test doesn't work with Firefox on Linux, which is what I'm using. It also doesn't work with chrome on windows 7 which is what I also used. If this test is IE only they're going to get a lot of skewed results. Not everyone wants to use IE. From FCC: Note: the M-Lab application currently does not work with Safari, Chrome, and Opera web browsers.
The ookla test should work: Ookla also provides free services at their public web site Speedtest.net. It is the same test as used at speedtest.net | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  EricthornIt only hurts when I laughPremium join:2001-08-10 Paragould, AR | Re: The test is inaccurate... If it's the same then why are the results so skewed? Ookla had inaccurate d/l data while speedtest was accurate. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  LinklistPremium join:2002-03-03 Longport, NJ kudos:5 | Re: The test is inaccurate... said by Ericthorn:If it's the same then why are the results so skewed? Ookla had inaccurate d/l data while speedtest was accurate. Are they? I get similar results:


Not identical, but I wouldn't expect them to be. Which speedtest server did FCC choose for ookla test? It may not be the same. And how long the test runs for the FCC vs native speedtest.net may not be the same. | |
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Speedtest.net is more along the line of what I'd expect, whereas broadband.gov's test showed about one third of our total download speed and one fortieth of our total upload speed. | |
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 |  funchordsHelloPremium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Yarmouth Port, MA kudos:6 | said by AMDUSER:I tested my cable internet on it, and it said I had about 30 Meg (even though I only have 7 Meg Road Runner, but with Powerboost(tm). If they want accurate, they are going to have to do something to mitigate the Powerboost to get the rated service speed. If it measured 30 meg, you want it to dismiss it?
The goal here is to see whether you're getting what you paid for.
If it says 3 Mbps and you're paying for 7 Mbps, then you're not. If it says 7 Mbps or 30 Mbps and you're paying for 7 Mbps, then you are.
Powerboost is real speed. So some credit should be given to that fact. But it is really temporarily and not assured, and I agree that something should also measure that. But what we don't want measurement tools to do is to discard actual performance. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- District of Columbia -- KJ7RL Tweet! Tweet! -- »twitter.com/funchords | |
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 |  |  LinklistPremium join:2002-03-03 Longport, NJ kudos:5 | Re: The test is inaccurate... said by funchords:Powerboost is real speed. So some credit should be given to that fact. But it is really temporarily and not assured, and I agree that something should also measure that. But what we don't want measurement tools to do is to discard actual performance. If you want a test that handles distortions caused by powerboost, use this one: »www.measurementlab.net/measureme···iffprobe | |
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 |  |  | | said by funchords:The goal here is to see whether you're getting what you paid for. I have to disagree. The goal for the Gov't speed test is to sample what speeds are available where.
If powerboost causes a test to show 30Mbps then it is a false result. | |
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Also - do you have any idea how the test decides to use one test or the other (M-Labs or Ookla)? -- JL Comcast | |
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»www.broadband.gov/qualitytest/about/
Users will be assigned to one of the two chosen testing tools: Ookla or M-Lab, or they can directly choose one of these tools at the links at the bottom of this page. But you can pick which one you want from the above link or use the links I found below:
Ookla: »www.broadband.gov/qualitytest/?sCode=O
M-Lab: »www.broadband.gov/qualitytest/?sCode=M | |
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 |  |  |  |  jlivingoodPremium,VIP join:2007-10-28 Philadelphia, PA kudos:1 | Re: The test is inaccurate... Thanks!
From the office the Ookla test returns: 35M/3M and M-Lab: 21M/4M -- JL Comcast | |
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| said by funchords:said by AMDUSER:I tested my cable internet on it, and it said I had about 30 Meg (even though I only have 7 Meg Road Runner, but with Powerboost(tm). If they want accurate, they are going to have to do something to mitigate the Powerboost to get the rated service speed. If it measured 30 meg, you want it to dismiss it? The goal here is to see whether you're getting what you paid for. If it says 3 Mbps and you're paying for 7 Mbps, then you're not. If it says 7 Mbps or 30 Mbps and you're paying for 7 Mbps, then you are. Powerboost is real speed. So some credit should be given to that fact. But it is really temporarily and not assured, and I agree that something should also measure that. But what we don't want measurement tools to do is to discard actual performance. What I would like is for the speedtest to test for actual internet access speed.. as 30 Meg is not available locally. [At least not without paying for a business class data circuit [ie fractional T3 / OC3 for $$$$.] | |
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With all due respect, any real honest statictician would have a hard time using any of this data, because it violates basic rules of sample selection bias. There are ways to correct for that, but nothing that could render anything worthwhile from these self-selected tests.
The FCC should take a cue from Offcom, and do a SamKnows style testing, which corrects for selection bias as well as all sorts of other intervening factors. | |
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 |  |  |  |  funchordsHelloPremium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Yarmouth Port, MA kudos:6 | Re: The test is inaccurate... said by Bill Dollar:The FCC should take a cue from Offcom, and do a SamKnows style testing, which corrects for selection bias as well as all sorts of other intervening factors. I agree that something like this is necessary to get an accurate picture. Whether we'll get there sooner or later is an open question. In either case, what we did yesterday is a start. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- District of Columbia -- KJ7RL Tweet! Tweet! -- »twitter.com/funchords | |
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 |  |  56403739Less than 5 months leftPremium join:2006-03-08 Naples, FL kudos:2 | The M-Labs version is trash. The Ookla version tested three different lines in three different locations accurately and more consistently than the tests from this site do.
The speedtest.net site seems to do the best of all, though, since it looks for the best server for your location. | |
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 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD | Pointless
So now ISPs will simply optimize connections to that site so they can show higher speeds.
Meanwhile, things like unfees continue unabated. -- "Net Neutrality" zealots - the people you can thank for your capped Internet service. | |
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 | | FCC's Obsession w Web2.0 continues Wow. /s/ It is so awesome that the FCC has now decided instead of going out and collecting useful information in a scientific manner, and instead of forcing carriers to hand over good data, that they've now decided to crowdsource data collection. Man, if only the Census Bureau would follow their lead, we could ditch the whole program and put up a website instead. /s/
Another tools is great I guess, for those who for some reason are unable to locate any one of the hundreds of other similar tools. But this "data" won't provide much useful information, because it is flawed in numerous ways (i.e. powerboost, wifi interference, multiple users on a single line), and the sample is user self-selected. If the FCC actually tries to make policy based on this lazy data collection method, then they'll end up getting sued under the Data Quality Act. | |
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| Android App I downloaded the mobile app for Android on my Moto Droid. The speeds are not accurate. Every time I run a test with the FCC app I then immediately run a test to the same server using the Speedtest.net app and it is slower. I've tried different servers and have ran the Speedtest.net app first and FCC second and FCC speeds are always higher. | |
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 xirianPremium join:2003-01-26 Beacon, NY kudos:1 | Doesn't finish It stalls at 50% for me, must be overloaded. Last night when it worked it said I had 7mbit up, when I have 25 up. It also gave me the choice of m-labs at the end, but when I clicked begin on that test is redirected me back to the main test. | |
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 |  funchordsHelloPremium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Yarmouth Port, MA kudos:6 | Re: Doesn't finish said by xirian:It stalls at 50% for me, must be overloaded. Last night when it worked it said I had 7mbit up, when I have 25 up. It also gave me the choice of m-labs at the end, but when I clicked begin on that test is redirected me back to the main test. You are either using Safari, Chrome, or don't have Java installed? -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- District of Columbia -- KJ7RL Tweet! Tweet! -- »twitter.com/funchords | |
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 | | another test they can manipulate i just went to the site and tried the test and it would not work for me wonder, if verizon had anything to do with that,i tried 3 times. | |
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 |  LinklistPremium join:2002-03-03 Longport, NJ kudos:5 | Re: another test they can manipulate said by noworit :
i just went to the site and tried the test and it would not work for me wonder, if verizon had anything to do with that,i tried 3 times. What, if any, error msgs are you getting? | |
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 |  davePremium,MVM join:2000-05-04 not in ohio kudos:8 | said by noworit :
if verizon had anything to do with that,i tried 3 times. Seems unlikely, since the way a telco would want to fudge the test would be to give test traffic a higher-than-usual priority, thus making themselves look better. | |
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 | | Boost Comcast and Time warner Boost are going to screw up the results quite a bit. Lets see if they find a way to overcome this. | |
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 |  | | Re: Boost said by aciddrink:Comcast and Time warner Boost are going to screw up the results quite a bit. Lets see if they find a way to overcome this. Perhaps check out nano agent »www.gtnoise.net/nano/ and if you have a linux box install it and contribute data. The project seems ultimately goaled towards detecting such network neutrality violations and deceptions. Hopefully in the future they get a windows client going so more can help and test.
With proper research and implementation ISPs will have have a very difficult time getting around such tools and will not be able to escape detection. | |
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 guppy_fishPremium join:2003-12-09 Lakeland, FL kudos:1 | Site is down All it took was a couple of FIOS users to try the test to bring it down, First try I got to the part it was loading the java app and stalled/hung, now the entire site is down ... Our Tax dollars at work! | |
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 LinklistPremium join:2002-03-03 Longport, NJ kudos:5 | FCC using to build own broadband maps
The FCC admits that the speeds collected are ballpark speeds. But then that isn't the main point of the data collection. The main point is they now have 1 more way to map broadband in the US and a way to help verify any map info they get elsewhere. They get an address(if you don't lie, but even that can be verified by IP location tools), an ISP vendor, and generally available speeds by location.
So, IMHO, they found a way to collect and or enhance broadband mapping data at low cost. This is something they should have initiated a long time ago. There are many that will criticize the effort for various reasons(most of which are invalid for the purpose the data is being collected). Exact accuracy of speeds is NOT the point. | |
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| Re: FCC using to build own broadband maps said by Linklist: Exact accuracy of speeds is NOT the point. That is true but an accurate test will encourage more folks to participate. Having an inaccurate test report just fans the flames of FCC incompetent and bias.
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| Nope No chance I would do this. They already duped people into going to a website only to turn around and spam them. Might as well just publish your social security number. Amazing how in just a year how some people who screeched about governmental intrusion are now hawking for it. | |
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| They should partner with someone on this for servers Not sure where the Ookla server is, but unfortunately M-Lab appears to be on a not-so-fast network. If that's Google's, that sort of explains it (GOOG isn't known for excellent connectivity with everyone under the sun). On the Ookla side my test originated from their DFW server and gave me very similar results to what I'd get on Speedtest/PingTest; Ookla has good connectivity there.
Of course the problem here is that the test isn't long enough to negate PowerBoost...see below for my most recent test results (keep in mind that I'm on Comcast 12/2):
Ookla Download: 20826 kbps Upload: 3451 kbps Latency: 34 ms Jitter: 3 ms (cable connection + wireless to my computer)
M-Lab Download: 8502 kbps Upload: 3520 kbps Latency: 56 ms Jitter: 39 ms (looks like there's a problem with the speedtest server)
So one test gets things totally wrong, and the other test includes PowerBoost.
It's not like there aren't tools out there to accurately measure after-boost speeds:
»www.cc.gatech.edu/~partha/diffpr···obe.html
That gives me the correct speed info... | |
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