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Comments on news posted 2010-03-12 10:16:49: Just a few days before the FCC is poised to introduce our first ever national broadband plan, the agency has launched a new java-based speed test application at the Broadband.gov website. ..

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Uncle Paul

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Boost

Wonder if their test will properly gauge the true speed of Comcast boost services?

HarleyYac
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Re: Boost

inaccurate. It states I have a 25/3 when I have 25/15. Also my fios tested on another site is 25/25 which is accurate.
Lee
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Re: Boost

Mine said my connection was a 22/1 but I only have a 8/1

HarleyYac
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Re: Boost

wow.. I see nothing but "Pain" with this

knightmb
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I tried it straight from our 1000 Mbs fiber, only got around 30 mbps, so I think they are probably getting hammered by all of us testing it out.
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Re: Boost

Um... er... could these folks be involved with this??

Barack
Nancy
Harry
Stenny

Could this lead anyone to a conclusion about how

1) accurate this is likely to be?
2) how useful this will turn out
3) how much more tax we'll be charged for this "new" tool that's already been developed by private companies and the G'ment wants to re-engineer it ?

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»www.broadband.gov/qualitytest/about/
Please note that the Consumer Broadband Test in its current software based form may not be an accurate representation of connection quality provided by your broadband provider. The results can be impacted by a range of factors -- for instance, the test can vary based on the geographical distance of the user from the testing server, end-user hardware, network congestion, and time of day.
The REAL reason for these tests - broadband mapping data:
FCC may use data collected from the Consumer Broadband Test (Beta), along with submitted street address, to analyze broadband quality and availability on a geographic basis across the United States.
Powerboost and other factors are inconsequential to the main purpose - mapping data.
Skippy25

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Re: Boost

What are you talking about? If it shows 25/10 because of powerboost and your connection is 12/5 then it is providing false information is it not?
openbox9
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Re: Boost

But after a test, the FCC knows you have a connection and your address...which it most likely didn't before. Besides, what's that definition of broadband again?
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Tried it within moments of the news hitting NANOG first thing this morning, and the speeds weren't even close. The Java app pegged me at 1.3M down 18M up. The flash app was the opposite, only more extreme. 24M down 0.3M up.

Tests were run from 25/25 FIOS.

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A step forward

Now to wait and see what happens with this info.

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The test is inaccurate...

I tested my cable internet on it, and it said I had about 30 Meg (even though I only have 7 Meg Road Runner, but with Powerboost(tm).

If they want accurate, they are going to have to do something to mitigate the Powerboost to get the rated service speed.

Ericthorn
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Re: The test is inaccurate...

Agreed - it's giving me about 2.7m down and any other test anywhere I go gives me less than 2m, usually in the 1.8m range which is accurate.

It wouldn't surprise me a bit if the carriers have some hand in this...
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fifty nine

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Re: The test is inaccurate...

said by Ericthorn:

Agreed - it's giving me about 2.7m down and any other test anywhere I go gives me less than 2m, usually in the 1.8m range which is accurate.

It wouldn't surprise me a bit if the carriers have some hand in this...
I agree. It is pretty inaccurate. It doesn't even match what regular speedtest says:

Here is my result from broadband.gov speedtest:



And here is regular speedtest:


There is no powerboost on my connection.

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Re: The test is inaccurate...

There are 2 tests available at BB.gov the Ookla (short test, see maximum powerboost effect) and the Mlab version (larger/more complex test, PB has little effect, (but jitter measuremnet is unrealistic) )
Which test you see first is randomized, everyone should be sure to take BOTH tests, each time they visit the site, so any data collected is closer to reality.
That said it is a beta, and the location data is probably more important than the speed data at this point (if you don't feel comfortable using your own address, please use one nearby, so as not to skew the location HAVE/HAVE NOT part. It's not like you really are hidding using a fake/distant location, they can trace your IP if the really want too anyway.)

fifty nine

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Re: The test is inaccurate...

The problem is that the mlab test doesn't work with Firefox on Linux, which is what I'm using.

It also doesn't work with chrome on windows 7 which is what I also used.

If this test is IE only they're going to get a lot of skewed results. Not everyone wants to use IE.

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Re: The test is inaccurate...

said by fifty nine:

The problem is that the mlab test doesn't work with Firefox on Linux, which is what I'm using.

It also doesn't work with chrome on windows 7 which is what I also used.

If this test is IE only they're going to get a lot of skewed results. Not everyone wants to use IE.
From FCC:
Note: the M-Lab application currently does not work with Safari, Chrome, and Opera web browsers.

The ookla test should work:
Ookla also provides free services at their public web site Speedtest.net.
It is the same test as used at speedtest.net

Ericthorn
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Re: The test is inaccurate...

If it's the same then why are the results so skewed? Ookla had inaccurate d/l data while speedtest was accurate.

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Re: The test is inaccurate...

said by Ericthorn:

If it's the same then why are the results so skewed? Ookla had inaccurate d/l data while speedtest was accurate.
Are they? I get similar results:






Not identical, but I wouldn't expect them to be. Which speedtest server did FCC choose for ookla test? It may not be the same. And how long the test runs for the FCC vs native speedtest.net may not be the same.

fifty nine

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Re: The test is inaccurate...

They are way off.

Speedtest.net is more along the line of what I'd expect, whereas broadband.gov's test showed about one third of our total download speed and one fortieth of our total upload speed.

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FCC's test says I get 2200kbps, which is impossible since my line barely can eck out 1500kbps. It's inaccurate, at least for me.

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Well it doesn't seem to do well on fast connections (it got the speed of my home connection pretty accurately).



I get much better results to various servers on speedtest.net:








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Re: The test is inaccurate...

said by houkouonchi:


»www.la.bbb.org/Business-Report/N···13131294
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Re: The test is inaccurate...

LMAO! the BBB. LMAO!

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said by AMDUSER:

I tested my cable internet on it, and it said I had about 30 Meg (even though I only have 7 Meg Road Runner, but with Powerboost(tm).

If they want accurate, they are going to have to do something to mitigate the Powerboost to get the rated service speed.
If it measured 30 meg, you want it to dismiss it?

The goal here is to see whether you're getting what you paid for.

If it says 3 Mbps and you're paying for 7 Mbps, then you're not.
If it says 7 Mbps or 30 Mbps and you're paying for 7 Mbps, then you are.

Powerboost is real speed. So some credit should be given to that fact. But it is really temporarily and not assured, and I agree that something should also measure that. But what we don't want measurement tools to do is to discard actual performance.
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Re: The test is inaccurate...

said by funchords:

Powerboost is real speed. So some credit should be given to that fact. But it is really temporarily and not assured, and I agree that something should also measure that. But what we don't want measurement tools to do is to discard actual performance.
If you want a test that handles distortions caused by powerboost, use this one:
»www.measurementlab.net/measureme···iffprobe

fifty nine

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said by funchords:



The goal here is to see whether you're getting what you paid for.

I have to disagree. The goal for the Gov't speed test is to sample what speeds are available where.

If powerboost causes a test to show 30Mbps then it is a false result.

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Robb - You are the resident M-Labs expert... Do you know how many TCP connections that the M-Labs tool uses?

Also - do you have any idea how the test decides to use one test or the other (M-Labs or Ookla)?
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Re: The test is inaccurate...

said by jlivingood:

Robb - You are the resident M-Labs expert... Do you know how many TCP connections that the M-Labs tool uses?

Also - do you have any idea how the test decides to use one test or the other (M-Labs or Ookla)?
The FCC web site says it picks it at random. But when the test ends, you can then run the other test.

»www.broadband.gov/qualitytest/about/
Users will be assigned to one of the two chosen testing tools: Ookla or M-Lab, or they can directly choose one of these tools at the links at the bottom of this page.
But you can pick which one you want from the above link or use the links I found below:

Ookla:
»www.broadband.gov/qualitytest/?sCode=O

M-Lab:
»www.broadband.gov/qualitytest/?sCode=M

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Re: The test is inaccurate...

Thanks!

From the office the Ookla test returns: 35M/3M
and M-Lab: 21M/4M
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said by funchords:

said by AMDUSER:

I tested my cable internet on it, and it said I had about 30 Meg (even though I only have 7 Meg Road Runner, but with Powerboost(tm).

If they want accurate, they are going to have to do something to mitigate the Powerboost to get the rated service speed.
If it measured 30 meg, you want it to dismiss it?

The goal here is to see whether you're getting what you paid for.

If it says 3 Mbps and you're paying for 7 Mbps, then you're not.
If it says 7 Mbps or 30 Mbps and you're paying for 7 Mbps, then you are.

Powerboost is real speed. So some credit should be given to that fact. But it is really temporarily and not assured, and I agree that something should also measure that. But what we don't want measurement tools to do is to discard actual performance.
What I would like is for the speedtest to test for actual internet access speed.. as 30 Meg is not available locally.
[At least not without paying for a business class data circuit [ie fractional T3 / OC3 for $$$$.]

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I ran the test twice; the first time jitter and latency were the same, which is impossible. Transfer speed measurement seemed reasonable accurate.

Overall I think having FCC do its own research is laudable but there are several serious caveats:

1) This is by no means a scientifically credible poll of US broadband.

2) We, like many others, have home network. To be an accurate determination of ISP performance no other computer should be using the Internet for the duration of the test. I did not see any mention of that on the test page.

3) Likewise applications on the test PC should not access the Internet for the duration of the test.

4) Performance testing is end-to-end. Issues outside the control of the ISP can degrade performance.

5) As already mentioned, temporary speed increases, will artificially inflate test performance.

/Tom

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Re: The test is inaccurate...

said by tschmidt:

I ran the test twice; the first time jitter and latency were the same, which is impossible. Transfer speed measurement seemed reasonable accurate.

Overall I think having FCC do its own research is laudable but there are several serious caveats:

1) This is by no means a scientifically credible poll of US broadband.

2) We, like many others, have home network. To be an accurate determination of ISP performance no other computer should be using the Internet for the duration of the test. I did not see any mention of that on the test page.

3) Likewise applications on the test PC should not access the Internet for the duration of the test.

4) Performance testing is end-to-end. Issues outside the control of the ISP can degrade performance.

5) As already mentioned, temporary speed increases, will artificially inflate test performance.

/Tom
All true. There are several more issues. That said, these are data points in a set of gathered data. Once analyzed, some test results will be statistical outliers. In the end, analysts should be able to refine and clarify the picture by filtering out much of the noise.
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Re: The test is inaccurate...

Rob,

With all due respect, any real honest statictician would have a hard time using any of this data, because it violates basic rules of sample selection bias. There are ways to correct for that, but nothing that could render anything worthwhile from these self-selected tests.

The FCC should take a cue from Offcom, and do a SamKnows style testing, which corrects for selection bias as well as all sorts of other intervening factors.

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Re: The test is inaccurate...

said by Bill Dollar:

The FCC should take a cue from Offcom, and do a SamKnows style testing, which corrects for selection bias as well as all sorts of other intervening factors.
I agree that something like this is necessary to get an accurate picture. Whether we'll get there sooner or later is an open question. In either case, what we did yesterday is a start.
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The M-Labs version is trash. The Ookla version tested three different lines in three different locations accurately and more consistently than the tests from this site do.

The speedtest.net site seems to do the best of all, though, since it looks for the best server for your location.

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Way off here also, my home DS3 test is way lower then what it should be. Of course I suppose I should have entered an accurate address, as usual government fail.

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Pointless

So now ISPs will simply optimize connections to that site so they can show higher speeds.

Meanwhile, things like unfees continue unabated.
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Bill Dollar

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FCC's Obsession w Web2.0 continues

Wow. /s/ It is so awesome that the FCC has now decided instead of going out and collecting useful information in a scientific manner, and instead of forcing carriers to hand over good data, that they've now decided to crowdsource data collection. Man, if only the Census Bureau would follow their lead, we could ditch the whole program and put up a website instead. /s/

Another tools is great I guess, for those who for some reason are unable to locate any one of the hundreds of other similar tools. But this "data" won't provide much useful information, because it is flawed in numerous ways (i.e. powerboost, wifi interference, multiple users on a single line), and the sample is user self-selected. If the FCC actually tries to make policy based on this lazy data collection method, then they'll end up getting sued under the Data Quality Act.

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Dot gov?

I smell IP harvest.
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Re: Dot gov?

Even if they were, to what end? They're just IPs of ISPs in the US. I'm sure if they wanted, they could get that list other ways.
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Re: Dot gov?

Like »arin.net?

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Amen! The FCC does not need to harvest or share personal information.
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Who is taking notes?

Ok call me paranoid , in the tool the first question is "Where are you accessing the internet? followed by "Current address where you are accessing the internet"??? Who is housing that information?

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Its a bit slow..

Tested here at my place of work and its a bit slow. They need to beef up their servers a bit more. Dual fiber lines with a total speed of 750Mbps.

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RX300

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FCC Still Defines Broadband As - Faster Than Dialup

I've got DSL and I don't have broadband. It is a 300k connection. Several years ago that was not bad. Now it sux. Forget about streaming anything. Even utube videos have to be paused. It takes over a minute to load the HBO page.
Like the title says, they still think broadband is anything faster than dialup and that's wrong.
I have done many speed tests and never gotten over 300. Tested at the FCC site just now. Guess my connection got 10% faster because they are telling me it is 330k now. WooHoo
This is as good as it gets because my IP says there are no plans to increase the bandwidth. Little Texas town with an independent telco that serves a population of less than 3000. There is no hope for anything faster.

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Android App

I downloaded the mobile app for Android on my Moto Droid. The speeds are not accurate. Every time I run a test with the FCC app I then immediately run a test to the same server using the Speedtest.net app and it is slower. I've tried different servers and have ran the Speedtest.net app first and FCC second and FCC speeds are always higher.
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Doesn't finish

It stalls at 50% for me, must be overloaded. Last night when it worked it said I had 7mbit up, when I have 25 up. It also gave me the choice of m-labs at the end, but when I clicked begin on that test is redirected me back to the main test.

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Re: Doesn't finish

said by xirian:

It stalls at 50% for me, must be overloaded. Last night when it worked it said I had 7mbit up, when I have 25 up. It also gave me the choice of m-labs at the end, but when I clicked begin on that test is redirected me back to the main test.
You are either using Safari, Chrome, or don't have Java installed?
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Re: Doesn't finish

it was safari. Of course both tests are wrong, one shows as 25/1, the other 5/5.

noworit

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another test they can manipulate

i just went to the site and tried the test and it would not work for me wonder, if verizon had anything to do with that,i tried 3 times.

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Re: another test they can manipulate

said by noworit :

i just went to the site and tried the test and it would not work for me wonder, if verizon had anything to do with that,i tried 3 times.
What, if any, error msgs are you getting?
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said by noworit :

if verizon had anything to do with that,i tried 3 times.
Seems unlikely, since the way a telco would want to fudge the test would be to give test traffic a higher-than-usual priority, thus making themselves look better.

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Unable to execute test....

The site must be overloaded. Took minutes to navigate to the Java test screen and was never presented any option to execute the test. Clearly still "Beta"
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aciddrink

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Boost

Comcast and Time warner Boost are going to screw up the results quite a bit. Lets see if they find a way to overcome this.
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Re: Boost

said by aciddrink:

Comcast and Time warner Boost are going to screw up the results quite a bit. Lets see if they find a way to overcome this.
Perhaps check out nano agent »www.gtnoise.net/nano/ and if you have a linux box install it and contribute data. The project seems ultimately goaled towards detecting such network neutrality violations and deceptions. Hopefully in the future they get a windows client going so more can help and test.

With proper research and implementation ISPs will have have a very difficult time getting around such tools and will not be able to escape detection.
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Site is down

All it took was a couple of FIOS users to try the test to bring it down, First try I got to the part it was loading the java app and stalled/hung, now the entire site is down ... Our Tax dollars at work!

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FCC using to build own broadband maps

The FCC admits that the speeds collected are ballpark speeds. But then that isn't the main point of the data collection. The main point is they now have 1 more way to map broadband in the US and a way to help verify any map info they get elsewhere. They get an address(if you don't lie, but even that can be verified by IP location tools), an ISP vendor, and generally available speeds by location.

So, IMHO, they found a way to collect and or enhance broadband mapping data at low cost. This is something they should have initiated a long time ago. There are many that will criticize the effort for various reasons(most of which are invalid for the purpose the data is being collected). Exact accuracy of speeds is NOT the point.

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Re: FCC using to build own broadband maps

said by Linklist:

Exact accuracy of speeds is NOT the point.
That is true but an accurate test will encourage more folks to participate. Having an inaccurate test report just fans the flames of FCC incompetent and bias.

/tom

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Nope

No chance I would do this. They already duped people into going to a website only to turn around and spam them. Might as well just publish your social security number. Amazing how in just a year how some people who screeched about governmental intrusion are now hawking for it.
bn1221

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Yup it lies

Say I have 6Mbit up 4 Mbit down. I have a locked 5 Mbit metroE segment. PERFECT would be at best 5/5....6 is too high
jbrewno

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HEY FCC

Why not get some cable or DSL out my way? WTF

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Re: HEY FCC

said by jbrewno:

Why not get some cable or DSL out my way?
Not to sound like an apologist for the FCC, but wouldn't one of the first steps be mapping what and where it is available?

/tom
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They should partner with someone on this for servers

Not sure where the Ookla server is, but unfortunately M-Lab appears to be on a not-so-fast network. If that's Google's, that sort of explains it (GOOG isn't known for excellent connectivity with everyone under the sun). On the Ookla side my test originated from their DFW server and gave me very similar results to what I'd get on Speedtest/PingTest; Ookla has good connectivity there.

Of course the problem here is that the test isn't long enough to negate PowerBoost...see below for my most recent test results (keep in mind that I'm on Comcast 12/2):

Ookla
Download: 20826 kbps
Upload: 3451 kbps
Latency: 34 ms
Jitter: 3 ms (cable connection + wireless to my computer)

M-Lab
Download: 8502 kbps
Upload: 3520 kbps
Latency: 56 ms
Jitter: 39 ms (looks like there's a problem with the speedtest server)

So one test gets things totally wrong, and the other test includes PowerBoost.

It's not like there aren't tools out there to accurately measure after-boost speeds:

»www.cc.gatech.edu/~partha/diffpr···obe.html

That gives me the correct speed info...

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