ssavoyPremium
join:2007-08-16
Dallas, PA Reviews:
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| Wilkes-Barre I live 10 minutes from Wilkes-Barre. Yeah, it's definitely not the nicest place in the world, but it shouldn't be that hard to wire. Anyone want to elaborate?
Verizon provides service to most of Wilkes-Barre. Otherwise, it's Frontier. And Frontier...well, they're just Frontier...failure all around.
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 LinklistPremium
join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | Will LTE be pitched for fixed wireless to the home? Some questions that need to be answered are:
Will Verizon pitch LTE as a product for fixed wireless to the home and not just a mobile wireless service? Will their be an LTE/WiFi router for home service?
And will there be external antennas offered to get the best bandwidth speeds possible inside the house?
If they are serious about competing against landline DSL or cable services by their competitors, this would make sense. Especially in areas where they don't offer Fios.
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Re: Wilkes-Barre I grew up an hour north. I agree, it's not heaven, but it's not Antarctica.
Wasn't there a guy with big hopes of running fiber throughout sewer lines in Wilkes Barre? |
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ssavoyPremium
join:2007-08-16
Dallas, PA Reviews:
·Comcast
| I did hear that somewhere. Wilkes-Barre wanted to do their own WiFi network, but Pennsylvania doesn't allow municipalities to do it themselves anymore (surprise!), so Frontier does it now. Regardless, Comcast is really the only good provider of service around here.
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Re: Will LTE be pitched for fixed wireless to the home? I was thinking along the same lines. I can imagine some sort of GPS receiver on the modem (much like their femcells have now) that verifies the location of the modem operation. That or tie the mac address into the tower that the modem will be used at so that it can only send/receive data from one source.
I used to live in a semi-rural town that wasn't hard wired for HSI, so a local business operator put wi-fi antennas on top of a water tower, and then distributed outdoor antennas to all of their customers to be mounted and pointed to said tower. Worked well, except for ridiculously high latency in rain storms. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | reply to Linklist
Sounds like this is their strategy actually. SOrt of similar to what Sprint is working on with WiMAX, except theoretically faster and with better coverage... |
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join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1
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I'm not sure Verizon has enough spectrum capacity to really deploy this as a home broadband replacement for most of the country. Clearwire definitely benefits from it's large holdings (~120mhz nationwide) in the 2.5ghz range. 2.5ghz also allows for more capacity than 700mhz. And Verizon only has about 34mhz of 700mhz holdings in most major markets. Couple the smaller spectrum holding with the lower capacity of 700mhz, and I just don't see how VZW can offer a home broadband replacement via LTE like Clearwire can via WiMax... At least not without destroying that CDMA map they're so proud of.
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mobbo
join:2005-04-13
Denton, TX | reply to Linklist
If they do, they MUST do better than Clear has done. Their signal cannot penetrate walls very well and flat-out does not work in houses with energy-efficient windows. Plus, the Motorola modem has no external antenna capabilities. |
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 SabreDi relung hatiku bernyanyi bidadari
join:2005-05-17 | reply to tiger72
For home broadband, I don't think they're offering a replacement so much as an option.
As previously pointed out, a lot of those rural customers (of which I may soon be one) don't have options. Cable HSI is spotty if they choose not to wire your street, satellite is a non-starter, and for those poor Fairpoint/etc. people, DSL lacks appeal if provided by a company that's buried under debt.
That's the market this would be aimed at. Fixed wireless via LTE probably wouldn't fly in cities, for precisely the reasons you raise. But out in Appalachia and the like (which isn't always as poor/hickish as stereotypes make it out to be) it would be a very appealing option, if decently reliable.
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I have a zyxel worldwide wimax modem with external antenna panels for each area of the world.
It works indoors very well around here , not exactly a great broadband option compared to comcast but i works well behind all my energy efficient windows .
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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Actually, 700MHz propagates MUCH farther than the 850/1900 EvDO that Verizon is using right now.
Also, if Verizon wants to do high-capacity (versus long-reach, which seems to be the focus with LTE-700) they can turn the pwoer on their transmitters down (way down) and deploy towers closer together. |
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 Matt3All noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | reply to mobbo
said by mobbo:If they do, they MUST do better than Clear has done. Their signal cannot penetrate walls very well and flat-out does not work in houses with energy-efficient windows. Plus, the Motorola modem has no external antenna capabilities. 700Mhz for LTE vs 2.x GHz (anyone know for sure?) for Clear. World of difference. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | reply to mobbo
External antenna is TBA, but 700MHz penetrates where 2500MHz doesn't. It's just plain RF stuff. If Clear deployed WiMAX on 700MHz they wouldn't have those problems. |
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| wooing them "potential DSL converts won't be lured by LTE if caps are too low, and monthly rate and overage pricing is too high"
If it's a broadband duopoly then they won't really have a choice will then? Their DSL provider will likely have caps by then, too. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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Re: Will LTE be pitched for fixed wireless to the home? True. 5-12/2-5 Mbps could probably be sold for $50 by Verizon, plus VoIP of some sort (maybe another $40 for unlimited local and long distance). Wouldn't be FiOS, but would beat DSL more often than not on speed and the price is about what people will pay for service in those areas. |
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Matt3All noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | said by iansltx:True. 5-12/2-5 Mbps could probably be sold for $50 by Verizon, plus VoIP of some sort (maybe another $40 for unlimited local and long distance). Wouldn't be FiOS, but would beat DSL more often than not on speed and the price is about what people will pay for service in those areas. Hell, that would beat Road Runner in most areas too. |
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mobbo
join:2005-04-13
Denton, TX
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I've seen some pretty ambitious amateur rigs for outside solutions... including a guy putting the Motorola modem in a big plastic trash can on a pole above his house  I wouldn't do that but I would consider it if my only other option was dialup.
Edit: BTW... its not just the horrible signal, their coverage maps are total BS. Despite the big green SOLID blob of coverage on their website for DFW, I have attempted to get Clear service on 5 (not kidding) different locations all over metro DFW for various construction jobsites and NONE had coverage. The coverage is full of holes. I'm batting 0 for 5 in attempts to get coverage in a supposed "covered" region. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | reply to Matt3
True, though it looks like TWC is slooowly rolling out 15/2 as their highest tier across all markets. Or 15/1 anyway. |
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Matt3All noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | said by iansltx:True, though it looks like TWC is slooowly rolling out 15/2 as their highest tier across all markets. Or 15/1 anyway. They need to hurry the hell up here, we're still 7Mbps/384Kbps or 10Mbps/512Kbps. |
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| Meh at least they dont claim up to 80mbps at launch.. Rogers, Bell and Telus all launched HSPA+ networks in Canada last year and they all claim up to 21mbps.
Actual throughput is not even 7mbps.
Its all well and good to upgrade your up-to's, but if the consumer will never get to use it, was it really worth it? |
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