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buzz_4_20 join:2003-09-20 Presque Isle, ME	Hollywood yet again shoots themselves in the foot How will this entice consumers to not pirate movies even more now.
	permalink · 2010-01-07 13:20:36 · ·

woody7 Premium join:2000-10-13 Torrance, CA	Re: Hollywood yet again shoots themselves in the foot Hollywood is like old politicians, set in their ways, until they retire nothing is going to change -- BlooMe
	permalink · 2010-01-07 13:39:39 · ·

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said by buzz_4_20:

How will this entice consumers to not pirate movies even more now.

Because copyright infringement makes it illegal. There's no "out" clause that says movie studios owe you a cheap movie right off the bat and if they don't its OK to infringe on their copyrights.

Get over your sense of entitlement. If you want their entertainment, then you play by the rules. If its too expensive, seek other, cheaper entertainment. Its not like they're selling air or water. You don't need brand new movies to live.

You have legal choices in a free society.

permalink · 2010-01-07 13:56:08 · Print ·

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Re: Hollywood yet again shoots themselves in the foot

said by ScottMo:

said by buzz_4_20:

How will this entice consumers to not pirate movies even more now.

You are correct, but you are missing the point.

There will always be some that do bad things like piracy just because they can. But the movie industry is alienating it's core customers. The target audience for this industry is getting more and more fed up with their foolishness and that leads to more and more people saying "Screw them, I'll just download it".

You can rant about it being wrong but that doesn't change the way the market is reacting.
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permalink · 2010-01-07 14:07:24 · Print ·

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said by ScottMo:

said by buzz_4_20:

How will this entice consumers to not pirate movies even more now.

You totally missed his point, and gave the exact response that feeds piracy more. The point is... Hollywood would slow or stop piracy but using modern methods of delivery rather then a loose money to it.
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permalink · 2010-01-07 14:47:26 · Print ·

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said by ScottMo:

said by buzz_4_20:

How will this entice consumers to not pirate movies even more now.

great theory in practice, but I somehow think those pissed off customers won't see things that way and just download illegally. Actual pirate who will always pirate and don't care are bad enouhg. Turning normal decent people into pirates who wouldn't pirate under NORMAL circumstances well that's stupid.

permalink · 2010-01-07 15:05:28 · Print ·

ScottMo
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Re: Hollywood yet again shoots themselves in the foot

But "normal decent people" aren't going to turn to legally downloading a film just because - oh my gawd! - they have to wait 4 weeks before they can see it on Netflix. The movie will eventually become available for streaming or download on Netflix or Amazon. Its not like it never will. Just because, in the grand scheme of things, you have to wait 4 weeks, doesn't turn "normal decent people" into wanton copyright infringers.

There seems to be a view that there are only two choices: get the movie right now in legal means or right now illegally. There are other choices. No one is "forcing" people to download to watch a movie. They're just forcing you to wait 4 weeks.

permalink · 2010-01-07 16:08:38 · Print ·

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Re: Hollywood yet again shoots themselves in the foot

said by ScottMo:

But "normal decent people" aren't going to turn to legally downloading a film just because - oh my gawd! - they have to wait 4 weeks before they can see it on Netflix.

People that feel "fucked over" whether rightly or wrongly can do things you don't expect.

The fact is if Hollywood was samrt they would have same days release for ALL meida. And you would basically kill piracy. Now those that pirate for profit will still do so but I'm not talking about that.

If you release movie in theaters, DVD, blu-ray, video rental, PPV and online rental all on the same day you've given people that are interested in that movie a plethora of chocies to obtain the movie legally. Since most people are decent and are in fact willing to pay for product there is ZERO incentive to torrent.

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Re: Hollywood yet again shoots themselves in the foot

I'm going to have to support Warner Brothers here. From reading what was posted it sounds like they were willing to offer their movies to be rented through Netflix on the day they are released on DVD. They just wanted a large sum of money in order to do that.
That's just good business. After all same day rental is available via Pay Per View. That will just cost you more money if you want to watch multiple movies even at 99 cents per movie.

While I like the idea of getting cheap movies which is what Netflix offers I can't blame WB for wanting to maximize their profits in a way that offers the customer what they want (same day rental) in a manner that sees the studio get paid for each rental.

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It's only a good business move if you support corporate greed and monopolistic practices. The entertainment industry has shown time and time again that they are willing to collude with each other to screw the American public out of as much money as they can. And then there are their actions to extend copyrights into the realm of "forever"... just so they can continue to profit from one single idea in perpetuity...

In a competitive market, the far better business move would be for them to innovate and provide their customers with the choices they want. Hollywood and the music industry have demonstrated a continued reluctance toward doing this, and obviously show no signs of stopping any time soon. Unfortunately they have also bought enough politicians to extend copyrights, make movie "piracy" a "crime" (in quotes because there really isn't a victim), and control what we can do with the entertainment media we buy-- all with the average person having little to no say in any of it.
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Simba7 I Void Warranties join:2003-03-24 Billings, MT	Re: Hollywood yet again shoots themselves in the foot It's not just Americans, it's the entire world. Look at Europe.
	permalink · 2010-01-08 11:13:55 · ·

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said by nanoflower:

I'm going to have to support Warner Brothers here. From reading what was posted it sounds like they were willing to offer their movies to be rented through Netflix on the day they are released on DVD. They just wanted a large sum of money in order to do that.

Here's something for you to chew on: If you buy a DVD, you can lend (or rent) that DVD to anyone you choose at any time you choose. WB is using streaming rights as a bludgeon to keep Netflix from exercising their rights under federal law. That doesn't sit well with me.
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said by ScottMo:

But "normal decent people" aren't going to turn to legally downloading a film just because - oh my gawd! - they have to wait 4 weeks before they can see it on Netflix. The movie will eventually become available for streaming or download on Netflix or Amazon. Its not like it never will. Just because, in the grand scheme of things, you have to wait 4 weeks, doesn't turn "normal decent people" into wanton copyright infringers.

There seems to be a view that there are only two choices: get the movie right now in legal means or right now illegally. There are other choices. No one is "forcing" people to download to watch a movie. They're just forcing you to wait 4 weeks.

The fact is I am the customer filling the pockets of those bastards! I should be given the choice as to how MY selection is presented.. I am fed up with people like this who believe if Im told to wait well I'll just wait.. How about you grow a sack and make them provide the entertainment we desire in a format we want!

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bwl4art @comcast.net	It's either buy the disk or wait 4 weeks........ why should I have to wait 4 weeks? Of course it turns "normal" people in pirates and those numbers will continue to increase exponentially as long as the copyright holders try to squeeze every last cent from the public.
	permalink · 2010-01-07 19:33:13 · ·

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said by ScottMo:

But "normal decent people" aren't going to turn to legally downloading a film just because - oh my gawd!

Actually, they do. I've had many people wonder to me how it is they might acquire movies, tv, and software without paying for it. They pretty much universally do whatever is most convenient, whether that be paying for the content or making an unauthorized copy. They just want their stuff quick and easy.

People, almost universally, do whatever is easiest, nothing more, nothing less.
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imanogre join:2005-11-29 Mcdonough, GA	News Flash, most of Americans are not 'normal decent people'. Hell, I see fellow Baptist at the liquor store hiding behind shelves so I dont see them doing something 'wrong'.
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russotto join:2000-10-05 West Orange, NJ	said by ScottMo: You have legal choices in a free society. What free society? Those laws you speak of? Hollywood is writing them.
	permalink · 2010-01-07 15:30:09 · ·

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Re: Hollywood yet again shoots themselves in the foot

said by russotto:

said by ScottMo:

You have legal choices in a free society.

What free society? Those laws you speak of? Hollywood is writing them.

Correct.
Originally, copyright laws lasted only 20 years.
Disney (amongst others, im sure) has paid off those necessary to extend the copyright laws to an almost infinite stage.
Imagine Star Wars would be public domain by now.

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said by ImBatman:

said by russotto:

said by ScottMo:

You have legal choices in a free society.

What free society? Those laws you speak of? Hollywood is writing them.

Actually it was 14 years. And even in the mid 70's it was a max of 56 years. It was 28 years then you had to ask for renewal for another 28. If you didn't request a renewal your stuff became public domain.

And yep Disney is behind new copyright law. The Sony Bono act in 1998 extended copyright form 75 years to 95 years for companies and from 50 years to 70 years after the death of a private creator for works made after 1923. So for example an Irving Berlin song from 1924 is protected by copyright until 2059 because he managed to live to be 101 and didn't die until 1989. But hey a reasonable person can see that 135 years clearly falls under the Constitution's "limited times" clause for copyright.

Coincidentally the copyright on the first Disney cartoons was to expire in 2001 before this act. Now they expire in 2021 so expect an extension of copyright to be passed in the next few years. Which by the way ALL of these extensions violate the constitution.

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BF69 Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN	said by ImBatman: Imagine Star Wars would be public domain by now. at the time of it's release Star War was protected until 2033. which I think is fair enough. God forbid in 23 years someone uses Star Wars without paying George Lucas or his heirs on his nearly 60 year old movie.
	permalink · 2010-01-07 16:55:16 · ·

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said by ScottMo:

Because copyright infringement makes it illegal. There's no "out" clause that says movie studios owe you a cheap movie right off the bat and if they don't its OK to infringe on their copyrights.

Get over your sense of entitlement. If you want their entertainment, then you play by the rules. If its too expensive, seek other, cheaper entertainment. Its not like they're selling air or water. You don't need brand new movies to live.

You have legal choices in a free society.

There's the law, and then there's reality. The reality is: digital content can be copied. People want this digital content. People are going to get it.

Law enforcement's fundamental assumption is that there are always more enforcement resources than individuals violating the law.

When millions of individuals decide they're not going to take it up the behind, pay again and again for the same content to run on different platforms, don't even own what they paid for in the first place, they're going to find easier ways to get it.

And 'legal' enforcement is always going to be inundated under the flood.

On the bright side: it's job security for generations of lawyers to come. Maybe that's why the old system's still in place.

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said by tmh :

There's the law, and then there's reality. The reality is: digital content can be copied. People want this digital content. People are going to get it.

Digital or Analog, they both can be copied.

I remember going to Thailand and getting a copy of "The Matrix" on VCD months before it came out on Video (this was in 1999).. It even had the banner on the bottom that it was property of some company.

I have a Professional S-VHS Deck, a Beta Hi-Fi Deck, and a LaserDisc player attached to my computer. Most of our tapes and LDs are on the home network now and the media is in storage.
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said by Simba7:

I remember going to Thailand and getting a copy of "The Matrix" on VCD months before it came out on Video (this was in 1999).. It even had the banner on the bottom that it was property of some company.

Ah yes! Good old VCD. Constant bitrate MPEG1 video and MP3 audio. About equivalent to VHS quality, although I can't recall offhand what the bitrate was.

While it never really caught on Stateside, it was wildly popular in SE Asia. What's more interesting is that most DVD players can still play VCDs, and some even the more stringent SVCD format.

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said by tmh :

Ah yes! Good old VCD. Constant bitrate MPEG1 video and MP3 audio. About equivalent to VHS quality, although I can't recall offhand what the bitrate was.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_CD

Video Bitrate is 1150kbps MPEG1 @ 352x240 Resolution
Audio Bitrate is 224kbps MPEG1 Layer 2 @ 44.1khz.
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said by ScottMo:

said by buzz_4_20:

How will this entice consumers to not pirate movies even more now.

Of course, but if everybody thought like that, there would be no rapists, bank robbers and shoplifters.

The point: The more of a pain in the ass Hollywood is, the more their movies ARE going to be pirated.

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Its a Secret Please speak into the microphone Premium join:2008-02-23 Da wet coast kudos:3	Please remind me how this circumvents going down to the video store and rent that movie?
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Simba7 I Void Warranties join:2003-03-24 Billings, MT	Re: Hollywood yet again shoots themselves in the foot Thanks to Redbox and Netflix, most of the Video Stores are going out of business. Both Blockbusters here in Billings went under.
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and that is a problem how? its the digital age.... everyone wants it NOW and as easy/convient as it can be had... and it's not just Netflix that has killed the brick and mortar stores... its Cable/Satellite PPV too... and as soon as the media conglomerates come through with a PPV tv and movie system that they have promised/waxed poetically for YEARS to be able to pick up your remote and choose a show to watch when YOU want to watch it, they'll kill off Netflix too... and make a boatload of money while they're at it. Hell.... why do you think there's 8 different HBO channels now? cuz when I want to watch something on HBO, I want to watch it when I WANT to watch it... THAT is why Tivo became so popular, and the VCR before it (creating the phenomenon of time-shifting)
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said by ScottMo:

said by buzz_4_20:

How will this entice consumers to not pirate movies even more now.

so then we should apply that same idea to car making and let the employees get for life residuals for things made ONCE.
neat thing about movies and media is the ease and cheapness of copying yes yes. so dont give me the bullshit mister that they dont owe us cheap movies
perhaps paying arnold 20 million for anohter film is the way to cheap right?

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Since when does something being illegal stop someone from doing it? Crimes are committed in society every day.

The OP's point is that some customers who were using NetFlix to get new releases might be tempted to seek alternatives to NetFlix (i.e. piracy) to get those new releases now that they will have to wait an additional month to see them.

Does it make it right to do so? No. Do people have a right to do so? No. But will it happen in some cases? Yes. This is simply another case of Hollywood not recognizing their customers' wants and needs, or simply not caring about them. (I'd say it was more the latter of the two.)

Personally I've given up on Hollywood. I don't buy DVDs, CDs, etc. anymore unless it comes from a used bookstore type of place. This has nothing to do with not having a desire to see some of the more recent movies-- it is simply because the RIAA/MPAA doesn't make a dime off of used DVDs/CDs, and I refuse to feed those demons though buying things that provide them with profit. Until they adopt business models that fit their customers' desires and get their butts out of politics, they can all burn in hell.
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what you are failing to recognize, as is teh film industry, is that the core/target audience wants to get their new releases and have them in a digital format to view on their ipod/zune/netbook when it is released. thay want to rent it when its released to view on their flat screens, they DON"T want to be dictated to how/when they can view it. what benefit is there REALLY to purchasing a movie over renting? you get a pretty box to sit on your shelf. and a large library takes up an entire wall. I prefer to have them saved to a HDD/server and take up 1/100th the space. and that is becoming the norm as more viewers become tech savvy, and more desktops are built to serve as an entertainment system and laptops can output SVideo/HDMI. all the music/movie industry is doing is being obstinate as they look out their front door looking at the giant glacier inch closer to whiping their house off the countryside... and one of these days there may be a tremor that will start an avalanche to boot!
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said by bear73:

I prefer to have them saved to a HDD/server and take up 1/100th the space. and that is becoming the norm as more viewers become tech savvy, and more desktops are built to serve as an entertainment system and laptops can output SVideo/HDMI.

I have several old Softmodded Xboxes (XBMC) that do this task easily. Don't even need the DVD-ROM drive, just tie them to the home network and pick a file to play.

..that plus a 14TB array (8x2TB RAID5).. You'll be set for awhile.
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yes, I have a similar gig (old desktop outputted to my TV and stereo/home theatre) with a 1TB storage in-board and another 500GB (currently) in external drive cases. Next upgrade will be to build a similar rig, but with "green" drives and inboard space of several TB drives.... or maybe I'll just flip to a home server from one of the box makers. I hear WinHomeServer is pretty good. More interested in making a system that consumes as little power as possible now.
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said by buzz_4_20:

How will this entice consumers to not pirate movies even more now.

The "entertainment" industry just doesn't get it.

I'll bet that Netflix actually decreases movie copyright infringement. Two major reasons why folks download copies of movies off the web are:

1) it's effortless
2) it's cost is trivial

Netflix is both effortless and has a trivial cost, thereby negating the two major reasons why someone would download a movie. I, personally, would rather queue up a dvd in Netflix and wait a couple days then DL the same movie.

It's almost like Hollywood *wants* folks to download their movies for free.

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said by badtrip:

said by buzz_4_20:

How will this entice consumers to not pirate movies even more now.

3 no drm
4 no spyware
5 i get what i want how i want when i want
6 it is far form effortless thanks to the EFFORTS of hackers and coders, go look at a trackers code and then surce code of say rtorrent and all the libs and stuff required FAR from EFFORTLESS just that you perceive it such is the key. AND when you make people WANT to do this kinda a level a work YOU KNOW YOU DID SOMETHING TOTALLY WRONG IN YOUR BUSINESS

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said by badtrip:

The "entertainment" industry just doesn't get it.

I'll bet that Netflix actually decreases movie copyright infringement. Two major reasons why folks download copies of movies off the web are:

1) it's effortless
2) it's cost is trivial

Netflix is both effortless and has a trivial cost, thereby negating the two major reasons why someone would download a movie. I, personally, would rather queue up a dvd in Netflix and wait a couple days then DL the same movie.

It's almost like Hollywood *wants* folks to download their movies for free.

I was the same way when I had netflixs. I lust wished that the on-demand catalog had a few more in it.
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CuriousJorge @cox.net	My big question is: did this just save Blockbuster? If Netflix can't stream new movies for 28 days, are they still able to ship them out for rentals? Cause the wording of the articale seems to imply they won't ship them either, which means your local video rental store could have just been saved if the rest of the deals Netflix has to make are this bad.
	permalink · 2010-01-07 16:07:03 · ·

eco Premium join:2001-11-28 Wilmington, DE	Re: Hollywood yet again shoots themselves in the foot Nope, in the location based rental business redbox is going to be the final nail in the Blockbuster coffin. And good riddance.
	permalink · 2010-01-07 16:29:31 · ·

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said by eco:

Nope, in the location based rental business redbox is going to be the final nail in the Blockbuster coffin. And good riddance.

Yeah, I'll be so happy to see my only source for local Blu-Ray rentals go away.

Even if RedBox does manage to get Blu-Rays in their kiosks here eventually, the selection still blows. There's well over a hundred Blu-Ray titles available for me to rent at my local store. The RedBox at the Walgreen's next door has 15 or 20 SD DVD options. And this is supposed to be progress?
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bear73 Metnav... Fly The Unfriendly Skies Premium join:2001-06-09 Grand Forks Afb, ND	Under the plan, new DVD releases would be available on a purchase-only basis for a few weeks, after which time companies such as Blockbuster and Netflix would be allowed to rent the DVDs to their customers. (from the Seattle Times) -- If ya gotta go, Go with a SMILE! »www.thereligionofpeace.com/
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bear73 Metnav... Fly The Unfriendly Skies Premium join:2001-06-09 Grand Forks Afb, ND	Re: Hollywood yet again shoots themselves in the foot this is PURELY to drive sales of DVDs and hinder the rentals
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gorehound join:2009-06-19 Portland, ME	I refuse to buy any new movies from Hollywood as I am on a personal boycott.join me if you want to and head over to the used section where you buy your movies and Hollywood does not get a dime from it.
	permalink · 2010-01-07 18:10:50 · ·

deadzoned Premium join:2005-04-13 Baton Rouge, LA	:( This is just sad. Have they learned nothing at all from history or are they just being deliberately obtuse at this point?
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I'd be willing to wait 28 days if new releases could be streamed or if Netflix would get rid of the stupid Blu-Ray surcharge. Somehow I don't think either of those things are going to happen.

Personally I decide if I'm going to purchase a DVD/BR before it even comes out so the 28 day delay won't make a difference. It could even prevent purchases since sometimes I'll a movie I've watched on Netflix if I really like it.
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xenophon

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I'm OK with it but it depends on what movies they get. If they could get the entire WB library that is over 1-2 years old then it is worth it.

Would be interesting to see the terms of what they have access to. I'd guess WB set some threshold that if a movie isn't selling X many units, it's thrown to streaming, which would mean good movies that are a few years old may not be available.

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BF69
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said by xenophon:

I'm OK with it but it depends on what movies they get. If they could get the entire WB library that is over 1-2 years old then it is worth it.

The agreement with New York-based Time Warner allows Netflix to add movies including “All the Presidents Men,” “Caddyshack” and the “Matrix” series, to its digital library, Sarandos said

I hope it's worth it to you.

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Beemer5770 @genscape.com	Wow - what an ignorant idea I mean, really? By postponing Netflix rentals by 28 days, they'll also be postponing at least some portion of sales as well. For myself, if it's a Waner Bros. movie, I'll wait 29 days after it's release before buying/renting.
	permalink · 2010-01-07 13:30:57 · ·

DaveDude No Fear join:1999-09-01 New Jersey kudos:1 Reviews: ·ViaTalk ·Vonage	Re: Wow - what an ignorant idea I agree, Hollywood doesnt think Netflix is a preview service. I have bought stuff because i was able to watch it on netflix first. Second the later window doesnt bother me, because i refuse to go to a theater. So basicly their just delaying there own sales further. Hollywood always does whats worse for it.
	permalink · 2010-01-07 14:42:39 · ·

SharkT @204.75.125.x	Good for Netflix/bad for Hollywood Most Netflix customers I know are thrilled. They're more than happy to make the trade for a lot more streaming movies. The typical "I have to have it immediately" fan is going to either buy or grab a torrent anyway, not wait for the mail.
	permalink · 2010-01-07 13:32:37 · ·

dellsweig Extreme Aerobatics Premium,MVM join:2003-12-10 Campbell Hall, NY kudos:1	A different take on this »forums.roku.com/viewtopic.php?t=25188
	permalink · 2010-01-07 13:35:06 · ·

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Re: A different take on this

I would rather have a bigger selection of streaming movies than to be able to watch new releases as soon as they come out.

I do think Netflix should offer a premium service that allows people that want to watch the newest release as soon as they come out to pay extra. Or offer the option on an account to either have streaming videos or new releases without delay but not both for the current price.

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bfreese join:2003-08-18 Wadsworth, IL	Re: A different take on this I agree - I have NetFlix simply for the streaming capabilities. An increase in the streaming catalog [of existing titles] is more important to me than having the DVD immediately available.
	permalink · 2010-01-07 13:53:12 · ·

Rickez Goinginsane join:2000-09-02 Three Rivers, MA Reviews: ·Comcast	Re: A different take on this stream stream stream! It seems good to me. Takes 28 days to get a new release from my Queue anyway... -- Got a one way ticket, going the wrong way....
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Pathfinder Dazed Confused Premium join:2000-03-26 Mount Vernon, NY	I agree. Give me access to older streamed movies and I will be very happy.
	permalink · 2010-01-07 13:51:52 · ·

bngdup

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Pointless move, bound to fail

The way I see it this is far worse for Warner Brothers than it is for netflix. If anything it will encourage people to watch a new release from a competing studio.

If someone was going to buy the DVD from the store they would have done so with or without the 28 day netflix delay. Just because someone may have watched / copied the movie during that period does not mean they would have bought it from a store.

Netflix users will still get their movies, and more from streaming whilst Warner Brothers will most likely see continued decline in DVD sales

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watts3000 join:2002-01-21	Re: Pointless move, bound to fail This is a lame move thanks for increasing torrent downloads
	permalink · 2010-01-07 13:41:46 · ·

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Exactly. This helps Netflix more than it hurts them. Netflix could add movies to their listings early with a "Save" button. They do this now for some titles which will be out soon. Clicking on the "Save" button adds the movie to your Saved Queue. When the movie comes out on Netflix, it automatically moves to your normal Queue and will be mailed in order.

I'll gladly wait 28 days on a bunch of movies that, chances are, I'm in no real hurry to see in exchange for 1) Netflix paying less money (translation: less price increases for me) and 2) more streamed movies.
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What is so stupid, is over in R5s region of the world, they get new movies out on DVD much much faster than we get them here in R1.

Reason? Because piracy is so bad over there.

Answer? I guess we need to pirate more?

Who is this really helping? Making me wait 28 more days, isn't going to make me go out and buy a movie.

We already wait way to long, what is 28 more days?

Stupid stupid stupid...
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Jeffrey Connoisseur of leisurely things Premium join:2002-12-24 Long Island kudos:3 Reviews: ·Verizon FiOS ·Vonage 1 edit	Re: R5 DVSs I agree. Stupid idea, that is just going to piss off customers. I'm not going out and buying the movie. I'll wait, or may be won't even watch at all. Edit: The agreement to have more, older movies/TV streaming is an attractive alternative, but it remains to be seen just how much more will be made available.
	permalink · 2010-01-07 13:57:11 · ·

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We have our answer. I guess America just doesn't pirate enough stuff yet. Perhaps if we started moving toward making piracy as rampant as it is in places like China, we would begin to have the power to bring the entertainment industry to its knees. One can only dream of such things...
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gatorkram
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Re: R5 DVSs

said by NOVA_Guy:

We have our answer. I guess America just doesn't pirate enough stuff yet. Perhaps if we started moving toward making piracy as rampant as it is in places like China, we would begin to have the power to bring the entertainment industry to its knees. One can only dream of such things...

Yeah, over in those places, people don't just download movies to share, they burn DVDs and sell them retail, and make them look as good or better than the real thing.

Get to it everyone

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fooo join:2007-06-28 Spring Hill, TN	they asked for it. i've just canceled my service with them. idiots.
	permalink · 2010-01-07 13:55:38 · ·

xenophon join:2007-09-17	Re: they asked for it. Do you stream? Anyone who doesn't stream will probably leave. I rely more on streaming than recent releases. There is far more interesting content released on streaming each month than in new releases.
	permalink · 2010-01-07 14:07:07 · ·

jmt380

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Re: they asked for it.

You basically hit the nail on the head. Every other forum carrying this story has comments from 2 types of Netflix subscribers. Those who stream, and those who don't.

If you stream, you'll probably think this is a great idea.

If you get the physical discs, you'll probably think this is a terrible idea.

Either way, the guy above makes a great point. All this does is give people more reasons to pirate new movies (I'm not saying piracy is right, just stating what I believe will happen)....

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bionicRod
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Re: they asked for it.

I stream quite a bit and often want a better movie selection.
On the other hand, I rely on the DVDs Netflix ships almost exclusively for new releases (I saw Paranormal Activity and Inglorious Basterds earlier this week), so I'm up in the air on this. I'd really like to see a list of movies they'll be releasing for Netflix so I can decide if I'm pissed or not.

One thing though, for the Hollywood execs: I don't buy movies I haven't seen. If I bought it, I either saw it at the theater or via Netflix. You do the math on how that affects DVD sales.

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fooo join:2007-06-28 Spring Hill, TN	Re: they asked for it. nope. i don't steam, which is why i told them to go off
	permalink · 2010-01-08 07:37:15 · ·

optemino join:2009-10-13 Patterson, CA	Heck nO Stupid hollywood! I don't buy DVD's and I WONT. It's all about broadband streaming now
	permalink · 2010-01-07 13:56:32 · ·

gball Master Yoda Premium join:2000-11-28 South Bend, IN	dang now I gotta add Warner Bro. movies to my 'don't ever buy' list now..I sure hope Avatar isn't a Warner Bro. movie..
	permalink · 2010-01-07 13:58:57 · ·

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Jason Levine
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Not Bad For Netflix

When there's a movie we want to see, we add it to our already long Netflix DVD queue. Let's say I want to see Sherlock Holmes when it comes out on DVD. I add it to my queue either on the release date, prior using the "Save" feature (which adds it to the queue for me upon release), or whenever I think of it.

Even if I added Sherlock Holmes on the exact day it was released for DVD sales, I wouldn't get to it for many weeks since there are so many other titles in my queue. There aren't many movies that are that important to me that I *must* get them *now* or else!

Meanwhile, Netflix will be able to stream many more Warner Brothers titles. This is huge to me since I use Streaming on my Roku much more than I use Mailed DVDs. So even if I'm waiting 28 days for Sherlock Holmes to arrive, perhaps I'll be able to stream all the Batman movies (well, except for Batman and Robin which I wouldn't subject myself to.

) and animated series's to my Roku.
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AstroBoy join:2008-08-08 Parkville, MD	For some movies, I won't wait 28 days! Torrents will fill that 28 day gap!
	permalink · 2010-01-07 14:20:41 · ·

BK

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calculated risk..

I see Netflix doing this because its a calculated risk. The risk they will lose some amount of customers that want these new releases immediately but gain some by having more streaming content.

Its hard to say how this will play out, because lots of people have very large queues that this will basically have no effect on. Those who don't have the large queues will be pissed though.

Without any real data, just by Netflix doing this move, I think its safe to assume the majority of netflix users have large queues that this will have no effect on.
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David Now accepting new patients Premium,VIP join:2002-05-30 Granite City, IL kudos:78	They did this to redbox too. Except you can't see say "Harry potter" movies for about a week after it's available in stores.
	permalink · 2010-01-07 14:36:14 · ·

NOCMan MacChatter Premium join:2004-09-30 Colorado Springs, CO	What pisses me off Is that if a movie was good enough that I watched it in the theater I'm already likely to buy it. What I do not consider worth 10 dollars for a ticket and another 20 dollars for a popcorn and coke, I want to rent. So all they're doing is increasing the chance I'll just forget about it being released and not doing either.
	permalink · 2010-01-07 14:39:57 · ·

fifty nine join:2002-09-25 Sussex, NJ kudos:2	Re: What pisses me off I am just the opposite. If I saw a movie somewhere else I'm less likely to buy it. I have tons of movies I watched once and then they live out the rest of the days on the shelf gathering dust.
	permalink · 2010-01-07 15:44:45 · ·

pog Premium join:2004-06-03 Kihei, HI	waiting an extra 28 days for DVDs? okay! I really don't care about the extra wait for DVDs. If a movie was any good, I probably already saw it in the theater. If not, an extra wait is not going to do me any harm. LOL! OTOH, beefing up the online catalog? I'm all for that. -- My Site
	permalink · 2010-01-07 14:41:19 · ·

jus10

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Well, I no longer go to the movie theater ...

And now that Bluray wants me to replace all of my DVDs I don't buy movies anymore. (Since there will always be something better, I just stick with renting). Netflix is the only source of discs these days. So the 28 day delay doesn't really matter all that much to me. I don't consider a movie "released" until I get get it in a happy red envelope.

Hollywood should tread lightly around Netflix. If you lose your business with the rental masters, I won't see your products at all. That's something I'm sure your buddies in advertising think about quite a bit.

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Capn @charter.com	Netflix One thing netflix needs to approve upon is the QUALITY of the instant streaming movies!
	permalink · 2010-01-07 14:45:41 · ·

haqtiq Premium join:2001-06-06 Saginaw, MI	Re: Netflix Not sure where you get this, I've seen Netflix movies on a 52" plasma, streaming in HD and it looked beautiful. I have a 32" 720p and they look fine with a 1.8Mbps connection. Now unless you have a 50"+ TV and less than 1.0Mbps then Netflix will look horrible cause you'lll probably only get 1 bar.
	permalink · 2010-01-07 15:33:06 · ·

BF69
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Re: Netflix

said by haqtiq:

Not sure where you get this, I've seen Netflix movies on a 52" plasma, streaming in HD and it looked beautiful. I have a 32" 720p and they look fine with a 1.8Mbps connection. Now unless you have a 50"+ TV and less than 1.0Mbps then Netflix will look horrible cause you'lll probably only get 1 bar.

The fact is a so called HD stream can not compare to blu-ray. 720p 3.8 Mbps bitrate can't compare to 1080p 40 Mbps bitrate.

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fifty nine join:2002-09-25 Sussex, NJ kudos:2	Re: Netflix I agree about the bitrate but beyond a certain distance you can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p.
	permalink · 2010-01-08 09:27:22 · ·

fifty nine join:2002-09-25 Sussex, NJ kudos:2	said by haqtiq: Not sure where you get this, I've seen Netflix movies on a 52" plasma, streaming in HD and it looked beautiful. I have a 32" 720p and they look fine with a 1.8Mbps connection. Now unless you have a 50"+ TV and less than 1.0Mbps then Netflix will look horrible cause you'lll probably only get 1 bar. What's the difference between 50" and 52"? Almost nothing.
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chazpaw Premium join:2007-03-28 Terrell, TX	said by Capn : One thing netflix needs to approve upon is the QUALITY of the instant streaming movies! I am fortunate enough to be able to stream two at once with four dot quality.
	permalink · 2010-01-07 15:52:27 · ·

Sodoshi join:2009-04-27 Canton, OH	Amazed I am amazed that no one has made an allusion to the film title "28 Days Later", considering it's theme of Rage (customers) and Zombies (Hollywood)
	permalink · 2010-01-07 14:54:10 · ·

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Good for Netflix/bad for Hollywood

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Pointless move, bound to fail

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R5 DVSs

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Heck nO

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Not Bad For Netflix

For some movies, I won't wait 28 days!

calculated risk..

They did this to redbox too.

What pisses me off

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waiting an extra 28 days for DVDs? okay!

Well, I no longer go to the movie theater ...

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