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Comments on news posted 2010-01-05 13:27:41: The new Google phone (the Nexus One) received lots and lots of hype, most of it focusing on how the device was supposed to revolutionize the US subsidized handset pricing model. ..

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toddbs98

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Same as always from Google

What more do you expect from Google, lots of hype and media frenzy but nothing really new or exciting.
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Re: Same as always from Google

said by toddbs98:

What more do you expect from Google, lots of hype and media frenzy but nothing really new or exciting.
That is not always true. The Android 2.0 OS is stunning, especially considering the fact that it's newly released. Most of what this phone can do is simply because of the Android 2.1 OS, which can be hacked onto any other Android phone and will be offically released for them soon.

Couple all that with the fact that it's on T-Mobile, it wasn't cheaper than many other Android phones, and the Snapdragon 1GHz processor, while fast, isn't by any means the fastest out, and you get this type of response.
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Re: Same as always from Google

said by Matt3:

said by toddbs98:

What more do you expect from Google, lots of hype and media frenzy but nothing really new or exciting.
That is not always true. The Android 2.0 OS is stunning, especially considering the fact that it's newly released. Most of what this phone can do is simply because of the Android 2.1 OS, which can be hacked onto any other Android phone and will be offically released for them soon.

Couple all that with the fact that it's on T-Mobile, it wasn't cheaper than many other Android phones, and the Snapdragon 1GHz processor, while fast, isn't by any means the fastest out, and you get this type of response.
What really irks me, is that my Moment came with 1.5, I know there is a 1.6 and 2.0. And who knows when it will be available

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Re: Same as always from Google

said by Cheese:

said by Matt3:

said by toddbs98:

What more do you expect from Google, lots of hype and media frenzy but nothing really new or exciting.
That is not always true. The Android 2.0 OS is stunning, especially considering the fact that it's newly released. Most of what this phone can do is simply because of the Android 2.1 OS, which can be hacked onto any other Android phone and will be offically released for them soon.

Couple all that with the fact that it's on T-Mobile, it wasn't cheaper than many other Android phones, and the Snapdragon 1GHz processor, while fast, isn't by any means the fastest out, and you get this type of response.
What really irks me, is that my Moment came with 1.5, I know there is a 1.6 and 2.0. And who knows when it will be available
I'm not saying it will work, but if your Moment isn't heavily customized by Samsung, you *may* be able to just dump the Android release on it directly from Google. That is how I upgraded my Droid. It even kept the VCast apps store in the Android Market.

Have you looked for an enthusiast forum for the Moment? Ah ha, here you go: »androidforums.com/samsung-moment/
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Re: Same as always from Google

said by Matt3:

I'm not saying it will work, but if your Moment isn't heavily customized by Samsung, you *may* be able to just dump the Android release on it directly from Google. That is how I upgraded my Droid. It even kept the VCast apps store in the Android Market.

Have you looked for an enthusiast forum for the Moment? Ah ha, here you go: »androidforums.com/samsung-moment/
thanks!

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You actually bought the Motorola Droid?

My sympathies. I took one look at the keyboard on it and said hell no--there's a reason they don't make calculators with keypads like that anymore. If Motorola cheaped out on that, what else might they have cheaped out on? No thanks.
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Re: Same as always from Google

said by sivran:

You actually bought the Motorola Droid?

My sympathies. I took one look at the keyboard on it and said hell no--there's a reason they don't make calculators with keypads like that anymore. If Motorola cheaped out on that, what else might they have cheaped out on? No thanks.
I actually thought it felt heavy and cheap.

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Re: Same as always from Google

I don't remember how it felt weight-wise, but considering I'm used to a Sidekick 3 (what can I say, great keyboard, great prepaid rate for mobile net access)....yeah, anything feels light to me.
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definitely not cheap, hardware specs to die for, and its one of the lightest phones out there even lighter and thinner than the iphone 3gs.

it is the best phone running android right now.

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said by sivran:

You actually bought the Motorola Droid?

My sympathies. I took one look at the keyboard on it and said hell no--there's a reason they don't make calculators with keypads like that anymore. If Motorola cheaped out on that, what else might they have cheaped out on? No thanks.
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Re: Same as always from Google

So you tried every phone you've ever even considered? You never judge anything just from a look and feel? Motorola cheaped out in an obvious way on one of the most important parts of the phone. I'm sure that didn't raise any red flags for you since you bought it, but it sure as hell did for me.
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said by sivran:

You actually bought the Motorola Droid?

My sympathies. I took one look at the keyboard on it and said hell no--there's a reason they don't make calculators with keypads like that anymore. If Motorola cheaped out on that, what else might they have cheaped out on? No thanks.
I figured the Droid would have had a good keyboard like other phones these days. It was missing a row of keys and very hard to press...felt like a keyboard from 3+ yrs ago. Horrible...
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Re: Same as always from Google

said by digiblur:

said by sivran:

You actually bought the Motorola Droid?

My sympathies. I took one look at the keyboard on it and said hell no--there's a reason they don't make calculators with keypads like that anymore. If Motorola cheaped out on that, what else might they have cheaped out on? No thanks.
I figured the Droid would have had a good keyboard like other phones these days. It was missing a row of keys and very hard to press...felt like a keyboard from 3+ yrs ago. Horrible...
It just takes a few days to get used to. What throws everyone off is the placement of the button on the right. Once you figure out that you have to shift your left thumb over one column of keys, you're good.
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Yeah, I have a Droid as does myfriend next to me. No problems here with the keyboard. I type over 30WPM on it and play NES SNES games with it.

Caution: Review by an actual owner for over a month, not a speculator based on appearance or quick usage.
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Re: Same as always from Google

anyone who complains about the keyboard is never happy with anything in my opinion. wah! it offset to the right. wah the modem is blue. yes those are actual complaints i have had in the sales field. cry about something else! wah its black and not pink, yellow, blue, green. cry all you want. anyone who complains so much is in most cases very upset with life it self. nothing will ever be as you want it, deal with it, cry about it. we DONT care. the product sells and it makes money. if your so un happy dont buy it and certainly dont complain about it on here about how it doesnt fit your style of life style. go cry to someone else. we dont care.
chaosdude

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Having owned the Droid a month I will admit that the keypad is not the best out there, but .... It's not a case of "cheaping out" the phone seems to be well made (of metal, why its so heavy). I think its more of a case of keeping the phone reasonably thin while providing a usable keyboard with decent ergonomics if not key travel / feel. I personally will always slide the keypad out over using the on-screen keyboard.

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cheese its okay. just remember that android phones have a very good resale value.
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Re: Same as always from Google

said by ArrayList:

cheese its okay. just remember that android phones have a very good resale value.
I plan on keeping this a while
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said by Cheese:

said by Matt3:

said by toddbs98:

What more do you expect from Google, lots of hype and media frenzy but nothing really new or exciting.
That is not always true. The Android 2.0 OS is stunning, especially considering the fact that it's newly released. Most of what this phone can do is simply because of the Android 2.1 OS, which can be hacked onto any other Android phone and will be offically released for them soon.

Couple all that with the fact that it's on T-Mobile, it wasn't cheaper than many other Android phones, and the Snapdragon 1GHz processor, while fast, isn't by any means the fastest out, and you get this type of response.
What really irks me, is that my Moment came with 1.5, I know there is a 1.6 and 2.0. And who knows when it will be available
Samsung/Sprint have already announced that 2.1 is coming to the Moment "first half 2010", though it realistically shouldn't take them that long, especially since the Moment is running stock 1.5. The Moment has already been rooted and flashed with custom kernels, so I'm sure our own hacked ROMs aren't too far away.
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Re: Same as always from Google

said by ydoucare:

Samsung/Sprint have already announced that 2.1 is coming to the Moment "first half 2010", though it realistically shouldn't take them that long, especially since the Moment is running stock 1.5. The Moment has already been rooted and flashed with custom kernels, so I'm sure our own hacked ROMs aren't too far away.
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I heard the same thing for HTC Hero as well...which is running v1.5 currently...I'm looking forward to 2.1 OTA release.

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what phone has a better processor than the 1ghz snapdragon?

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Re: Same as always from Google

said by tiger72:

what phone has a better processor than the 1ghz snapdragon?
Better is subjective, but the Cortex A8 (at only 550MHz) in the Droid is very, very close to the same speed. There are benchmarks where the A8 @ 550MHz has been show to be much faster than the Snapdragon at 800Mhz. People were drooling over the 1GHz claim, without taking into account instructions per clock cycle. The Snapdragon is ARM, the A8 is ARM, only the Cortex A8 is a later generation of ARM. Think of it like the difference in a Core 2 and the i7. Clock for clock, the i7 is faster.

What will REALLY muddy the water latter, is when the Snapdragon product line migrates fully to the A8 core, rather than implementing Qualcomm's subset of the A8.
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Re: Same as always from Google

said by Matt3:

said by tiger72:

what phone has a better processor than the 1ghz snapdragon?
Better is subjective, but the Cortex A8 (at only 550MHz) in the Droid is very, very close to the same speed. There are benchmarks where the A8 @ 550MHz has been show to be much faster than the Snapdragon at 800Mhz. People were drooling over the 1GHz claim, without taking into account instructions per clock cycle. The Snapdragon is ARM, the A8 is ARM, only the Cortex A8 is a later generation of ARM. Think of it like the difference in a Core 2 and the i7. Clock for clock, the i7 is faster.

What will REALLY muddy the water latter, is when the Snapdragon product line migrates fully to the A8 core, rather than implementing Qualcomm's subset of the A8.
But you agree that the Snapdragon is currently still a faster processor. The droid and iphone may "come close", but the snapdragon still wins.
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Re: Same as always from Google

said by tiger72:

said by Matt3:

said by tiger72:

what phone has a better processor than the 1ghz snapdragon?
Better is subjective, but the Cortex A8 (at only 550MHz) in the Droid is very, very close to the same speed. There are benchmarks where the A8 @ 550MHz has been show to be much faster than the Snapdragon at 800Mhz. People were drooling over the 1GHz claim, without taking into account instructions per clock cycle. The Snapdragon is ARM, the A8 is ARM, only the Cortex A8 is a later generation of ARM. Think of it like the difference in a Core 2 and the i7. Clock for clock, the i7 is faster.

What will REALLY muddy the water latter, is when the Snapdragon product line migrates fully to the A8 core, rather than implementing Qualcomm's subset of the A8.
But you agree that the Snapdragon is currently still a faster processor. The droid and iphone may "come close", but the snapdragon still wins.
The Snapdragon at 1GHz "should" be. No one has one to compare yet and to make matters worse, the Nexus One is running Android 2.1 and the Droid is running 2.0.1. Just watching a Youtube video of the Droid with 2.1, the first thing you notice is how much quicker it is. It looks just as fast as the videos I've seen of the Nexus One running 2.1.

For example:

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ypkGi9Hxt4
Note at :56, "Everything is just super fast, I'm amazed."

Regardless, you can't generalize and say the "Snapdragon" is faster, because the Snapdragon is the processor name. The A8 @ 550MHz is faster than a Snapdragon at 800MHz, we know this, so the "Snapdragon" is not faster. At 1GHz it *may* be faster than the A8 at 550Mhz. The Cortex A8 is already available in 800Mhz variants however ...
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Re: Same as always from Google

Hell, my Moment looks as fast as that thing
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Very interesting read but I can't help pointing out the following:
Contrary to Matt the snapdragon is not a subset of the Cortex A8 it is an evolution of the ARM A8 specification.

"Although Scorpion and Cortex-A8 have many similarities, based on the information released by Qualcomm, the two cores differ in a number of interesting ways. For example, while the Scorpion and Cortex-A8 NEON implementations execute the same SIMD-style instructions, Scorpion’s implementation can process128 bits of data in parallel, compared to 64 bits on Cortex-A8. Half of Scorpion’s SIMD data path can be shut down to conserve power. Scorpion’s pipeline is deeper: It has a 13-stage load/store pipeline and two integer pipelines—one of which is 10 stages and can perform simple arithmetic operations (such as adds and subtracts) while the other is 12 stages and can perform both simple and more complex arithmetic, like MACs. Scorpion also has a 23-stage floating-point/SIMD pipeline, and unlike on Cortex-A8, VFPv3 operations are pipelined. Scorpion uses a number of other microarchitectural tweaks that are intended to either boost speed or reduce power consumption. (Scorpion’s architects previously designed low-power, high-performance processors for IBM.) The core supports multiple clock and voltage domains to enable additional power savings."

Reference site :
»www.insidedsp.com/tabid/64/artic···ore.aspx

Based on the above information and specs I'm inclined to go with the Nexus One as opposed to the Droid or even the Asus Liquid (which also run a snapdragon). My choice falls down to the fact the Nexus One has 512 mb RAM compared to the 256 in the droid and the liquid

Here's hoping the Nexus one will appear in europe shortly ...

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Isn't that the truth. Google seems to be trying to figure out how to make money outside of search(advertising).

Youtube, they bought it but still can make any money from it. Google docs......thud. Chrome browser....thud.
Now the nexus one looks nice, but I'm thinking they are going to have a tough time making any significant money from it.

Next up Chrome OS......? I'm thinking thud here as well.

I love the fact they are trying but outside of search, Google is having a hard time playing in everyone else sandbox.
They are keeping everyone else on there toes which is a good thing.
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Re: Same as always from Google

How is the Chrome browser "thud"? It may be nowhere near the penetration of Firefox, or of the combined IE penetration (IE6 through IE8), but it's steadily gaining market share.

It may not have been a home run type of success, but it's hardly a "thud" either.

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Re: Same as always from Google

said by bt:

How is the Chrome browser "thud"? It may be nowhere near the penetration of Firefox, or of the combined IE penetration (IE6 through IE8), but it's steadily gaining market share.

It may not have been a home run type of success, but it's hardly a "thud" either.
I'm wondering this too. Chrome browser just passed Safari in user numbers...
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said by aximr:

Isn't that the truth. Google seems to be trying to figure out how to make money outside of search(advertising).

Youtube, they bought it but still can make any money from it. Google docs......thud. Chrome browser....thud.
Now the nexus one looks nice, but I'm thinking they are going to have a tough time making any significant money from it.

Next up Chrome OS......? I'm thinking thud here as well.

I love the fact they are trying but outside of search, Google is having a hard time playing in everyone else sandbox.
They are keeping everyone else on there toes which is a good thing.
No. They've realized something that you obviously haven't.

Google benefits from people being on the internet. Period. They have such a large market presence in online advertising that their only job right now is to get more eyes on the internet. Hence Gmail. Hence Youtube. Hence Android. Hence ChromeOS.

They're using some products as testing grounds for other things. Google Voice voicemail was a testbed for their voice recognition software which is now a selling point in their Android OS. Google Chrome was a testbed for minimalism + webapps. Now they're moving forward with ChromeOS.
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Android? Non-thud.

Google Voice? Non-thud.

Google Apps for Domains? Non-thud.

I actually like Chrome as well-- far superior to IE (which I'm forced to use on work machines).

Google Docs seems like a nice product too; I just haven't really integrated its use into my daily routine yet.

There are a number of good things that Google has put out for people to use. Heck, they've done enough that there may even be a market for integrators and third party enhancements for their stuff... Wait, there is... »www.google.com/apps/intl/en/busi···dex.html
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Not released yet...

The phone is not released yet. How can you make such a claim when nothing has been confirmed. Don't over reach.

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Nexus One

Where have you been? It isn't restricted to T-Mobile at all. The specs that have been released so far indicate the Nexus One will work on all 4 of the existing networks.

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Actually...

Google has been helping with the development of android and revolutionizing pretty much everything on the net...for those who don't see it, maybe your blind or not really a net guru. They have been driving the development of lots of open source projects, and even paying people without getting anything back. They have put alot of work into android as well...which im sure most of the corporate whores dont reallly like to much considering it IS a iphone killer, i dont care if you're an apple affiliate losing money thats the truth. Its sad that people still bash them just because they are afraid of new ideas and losing out on money to there new competition....

Ive been following the development of android since it was announced and have told everyone i know to invest in the manufactures who are developing the phones...give it another year for everyone to realize the potential of android. I would easily shell out $500 for the nexus one considering how badass it is, and im a developer.

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Do G1 owners get a bigger discount?

We were the first adopters of the Google Smart phone and now we are left with is a forked never to be updated again phone.

I know the saying early adopters always get burned and what not but seriiously we took a gamble with the Android platform and now we have to upgrde and spend more money just to get the latest features.

I think that is unfair of Google to do the one thing about the iPhone is their OS isn't forked every iPhone can use the latest OS stuff some better than others of course but atleast there are new OS features being added and what not from Apple. Can't say the same for Google.
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Thank You!

I just wanted to thank Karl for posting the first reasonable assessment of this phone that I have seen.
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Did anybody actually expect a phone

that took the world by storm?
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Re: Did anybody actually expect a phone

Well there is always hope. And people put a lot of hope in Google. Unfortunately this is nothing special. I expect Android's lukewarm reception to continue.

Disappointing, but since most of this info had already leaked out, expected.

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Americans don't understand unsubsidized phone prices

It's amazing how many people are shocked by the price of the phone here especially the unsubsidized version. The status quo is exactly what they priced it at, anybody who has traveled the world understands the full pricing aspect of phones and how it works so I don't understand why Google wouldn't price it on the same level and why people think Google would just sell this loaded phone for dirt cheap.

I don't think Google ever positioned themselves in saying that this device would change handset pricing models or even effect them. I think they are jumping into their own version of the phone to have a space to create and not be having to run through hoops that cell phone providers make them in order to push out releases of Android.

For me i think this is a good entry for google and the relevantly young Android. The phone has a lot of good solid features and shouldn't be forgotten when looking back at this release.
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Re: Americans don't understand unsubsidized phone prices

Really? So you are more than happy paying an artificial price for a non subsidized phone?

How can a cell phone cost so much when laptops cost so little in comparison? You can't argue scaled since millions of phones are sold.

A smartphone should not cost more than a high-end netbook.

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cool

" IPHONE KILLER?!?!? ZOMG. "

cool phone. wish it would come to Verizon

edit: nvm. they just announced it will be on Verizon in spring 2010

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According to this...

They will be releasing a version for Verizon and Vodafone as well.

»www.google.com/phone/choose?loca···_US&s7e=

Edit: This also means that the Vodafone version should work with AT&T's 3G network.

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Re: According to this...

ya, watching live blog too
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I always thought that Vodafone had nothing to do with ATT's 3G frequencies :\

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Get your Nexus One here, $529 or $179 with T-Mobile


www.google.com/phone
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Choices...

Unfortunately, Google has marketed this as giving consumers more choices for purchasing phones. The irony is there really is no new choice other than purchasing through Google so they can make a bit of profit. The actual number of consumer purchasing options is extremely limited by this sales model - in other words, its actual a step backwards for how a phone can be sold to the consumer. Hopefully they will fix this.

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$529 is not cheap

but then again people send well over $100/month on their cable bills and don't complain so i'm lost in the logic.

at least for $529 you can actually get something.

i'm just going to wait it out and watch for sales. I picked up my g1 in the first 3 months for $99 new from amazon.

i'd be shocked to not see something like that eventually.
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why so hard for both AWS and cellular/pcs ?

I dont get why manufactures, cant release phones with both aws, and cellular/ pcs. Considering AWS is already part of gsm 1800 ?

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Re: why so hard for both AWS and cellular/pcs ?


Maybe you should hurry up and beat Moto to selling the chipset that allows for that.

Things like this need to be developed, tested and then sold to the manufacturers before it gets approved for new phones.

So you know it's in the works as we speak. Just not available on mainstream phones yet.
cajun4x4

join:2000-10-02
Rayne, LA

What a waste of hype

Google does it again. Move on... Just another driod with nothing to see.
steve19726
bum
Premium
join:2002-01-17
Chicago, IL

Another HTC phone with Google OS..

What's with all the hype? It's another HTC phone with updated Android OS! Am I missing something here?
jdir

join:2001-05-04
Santa Clara, CA

I'm disapointed

I though the phone boot up and just have a blank screen with the word "Google"

and cost $9.95

NOCMan
MacChatter
Premium
join:2004-09-30
Colorado Springs, CO

If they wanted to change the phone landscape

They could of spent a extra 5 dollars per phone and made them CDMA/GSM compatible. A phone that can go to any carrier is a powerful thing.

elgooG

@comcast.net

That N.O. is one hot little number.

It's going to be interesting to see how long the battery holds up on the N.O. I'm betting that it won't be long before you start hearing people gripe about how poor the battery life is. Why? For starters: it has a 1Ghz processor. Faster processor=more power required=worse battery life. Then there's all those fancy little features like that "live" wallpaper. You know, wallpaper that moves. What does it take to move the wallpaper? Processing=more power. And then there's the ever-popular multi-tasking. More apps running=more power. Ah, yes. Then there's that nifty voice input feature. You know, where you talk to the machine instead of using a keyboard. Guess what that takes. You got it. Yep, it won't take long for the poor battery life gripes to bubble to the surface. Just remember that there ain't no free lunch. When you add all those golly-geewhiz little features, it sure won't extend battery life, will it?

MSauk
MSauk
Premium
join:2002-01-17
Sandy, UT

500 dollars!!!

damn over 500 dollars! I was hoping for something under 300.
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LeftyJR

join:2008-02-19
Avis, PA

Re: 500 dollars!!!

said by MSauk:

damn over 500 dollars! I was hoping for something under 300.
Most phones cost at least $400 w/o a contract.

MSauk
MSauk
Premium
join:2002-01-17
Sandy, UT

Re: 500 dollars!!!

that is the problem, they is no way in hell they should be costing that much.

They all should be at or below 300.
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