skyfreedomdo
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if Verizon get the iphone I will have to wait a few months after the iphone is on Verizon and see how much they will cripple it. Verizon's Vcrap is a sad attempt at providing what users are used to today.
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DaveNJ
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| Will there be an Iphone war
Att i dont think will let the Iphone go easily, and if Verizon wants it , it going to have be a big deal for apple. By why would apple, want to support another platform ? Cdma/LTE, versus, the new standard of Gsm/umts/lte. By default the GSM family is cheaper and has more saleability. |
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Matt
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Re: if...
said by skyfreedomdo  :if Verizon get the iphone I will have to wait a few months after the iphone is on Verizon and see how much they will cripple it. Verizon's Vcrap is a sad attempt at providing what users are used to today. Verizon typically only cripples GPS on smartphones. I doubt Apple would allow them to do that however. |
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Matt
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Re: Will there be an Iphone war
said by DaveNJ :Att i dont think will let the Iphone go easily, and if Verizon wants it , it going to have be a big deal for apple. By why would apple, want to support another platform ? Cdma/LTE, versus, the new standard of Gsm/umts/lte. By default the GSM family is cheaper and has more saleability. I can give you 100 million reasons - or the entire userbase of CDMA - which is the dominate technology in North America. Remember, Apple gets a cut of the monthly bill from each user. I'm sure they'd love to add $30 million dollars or more a month to their bottom line. |
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Frink
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Scotch Plains, NJ | reply to DaveNJ
...because AT&T's network has, and will most likely continue, to suck. It is the joke of the iPhone, not a day goes by where someone says how "great the iPhone is, but it's too bad it's on a crappy network..." or something to that effect. |
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Eat Me
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Re: if...
said by Matt :said by skyfreedomdo :if Verizon get the iphone I will have to wait a few months after the iphone is on Verizon and see how much they will cripple it. Verizon's Vcrap is a sad attempt at providing what users are used to today. Verizon typically only cripples GPS on smartphones. I doubt Apple would allow them to do that however. Verizon cripples everything. Ask any Verizon user about OBEX bluetooth profile on any Verizon bluetooth enabled phone. |
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Matt
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Re: Will there be an Iphone war
said by Frink :...because AT&T's network has, and will most likely continue, to suck. It is the joke of the iPhone, not a day goes by where someone says how "great the iPhone is, but it's too bad it's on a crappy network..." or something to that effect. I agree. A funny anecdote, but my daughter didn't want an iPhone due to the lack of a real keyboard so she got an LG Shine and even she posted the other day on Facebook, "how come i'll keep my phone in the same exact place and one minute, i'll have nooo service, and the next i'll have really good service? annoying."
I see the same behavior on my iPhone. |
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bnceo
join:2007-10-11
West Orange, NJ | Guess no unlock and making it for Sprint?
I guess since VZ is moving to LTE and so is the iPhone, does that mean I can't unlock and make it for Sprint? I prefer my lovely Sprint network here in the Tri-State. |
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Matt
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said by Eat Me :said by Matt :said by skyfreedomdo :if Verizon get the iphone I will have to wait a few months after the iphone is on Verizon and see how much they will cripple it. Verizon's Vcrap is a sad attempt at providing what users are used to today. Verizon typically only cripples GPS on smartphones. I doubt Apple would allow them to do that however. Verizon cripples everything. Ask any Verizon user about OBEX bluetooth profile on any Verizon bluetooth enabled phone. I had Verizon for 3+ years and had 3-4 smartphones. They cripple only when they can install their BREW software. They don't do this on WinMo nor Blackberry phones as they would have to replace the entire WinMo or BB OS. I used OBEX file transfer across BT all the time on my XV6700 and Q9c. |
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Matt
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1 edit |  Interesting Quote from CEO
A lot of folks on these forums have been claiming that LTE would need CDMA or GSM on the backend for voice. However, the CEO, (around 4:23 of the interview) says that is not the case, that LTE is a global standard and "one standard can be used for all phones to be built to."
I think that's a pretty good sign that Apple won't face the conundrum of whether to include a CDMA or GSM legacy chip for voice in an LTE version of the iPhone. Which means if the AT&T exclusivity agreement isn't renewed, Apple will be free to sell the iPhone on any LTE network. |
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Frink
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Re: Will there be an Iphone war
It is really embarrassing. Apple's sales are amazing, yes, but they take a character hit each time someone associates their name to their exclusive craptacular network. |
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spamd
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Re: if...
Verizon has crippled GPS and WiFi for Blackberries until recently. Wifi does not work on all bb's. GPS on the Storm now works with 3rd party apps. All other bb's can only use the gps with bb maps or vz nav.
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jimk
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Apple cripples the iPhone, along with AT&T to a lesser extent. The application store is basically their version of Get It Now, but it is somehow OK when Apple does it. Sure, Apple's store is more open and better... but it is aimed at a different market - Get It Now is for regular phones, not smart phones. The iPhone only recently started supporting MMS and voice command.
Verizon's smart phones let you install anything. I can run Sling over 3G on my Verizon phone. I can download large files over 3G. Only the regular phones have limitations on VZW. To be fair, almost every other smart phone on every other carrier is also just as open.
Verizon allows tethering. There is a fee, but it is still cheaper than a separate 3G card. |
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Matt
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| said by jimk :Verizon's smart phones let you install anything. I can run Sling over 3G on my Verizon phone. I can download large files over 3G. Only the regular phones have limitations on VZW. To be fair, almost every other smart phone on every other carrier is also just as open. Verizon allows tethering. There is a fee, but it is still cheaper than a separate 3G card. Sure, you can install anything. But the selection is pathetic at best.
Also, Verizon does allow tethering but the price is MORE than a separate 3G card when you add in the $15 tethering fee. It's $60 (Smartphone Unlimited Package + Broadband Connect) to tether officially on Verizon, but $45 for a separate 3G card. |
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jimk
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| said by Matt :Sure, you can install anything. But the selection is pathetic at best. Also, Verizon does allow tethering but the price is MORE than a separate 3G card when you add in the $15 tethering fee. It's $60 (Smartphone Unlimited Package + Broadband Connect) to tether officially on Verizon, but $45 for a separate 3G card. Selection is pathetic... that would depend on what applications you use.
Tethering: cheaper than having a smart phone and a data card. |
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60529262
join:2007-01-11
Chicago, IL
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Selection is pathetic? Well, once you weed out all of the bubble wrap, farting and baby shaking apps the selection of actual, useful business-oriented apps is about the same. And VZW's tethering beats the snot out of Apple/ATTW's nonexistent offering, right? |
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tiger72
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Re: Will there be an Iphone war
With Verizon pushing LTE out next year, selling a CDMA iPhone would be downright stupid. They'll want device to be their flagship LTE device to give people a "reason" to switch to VZW's 4g network. They'll also want a flagship LTE device to make investors happy that they spent all that money on LTE.
The CDMA userbase argument is moot, since everyone (save for Sprint) will be using LTE.
Apple stuck with GSM, and then UMTS because it's the worldwide standard. They'll likely do the same thing with LTE. It doesn't make sense for them to sell a CDMA phone *right* as everyone (and most notably the largest CDMA operator) is moving to the new world standard LTE.
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en102
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The difference between 'north America' and 'globally' is nearly a killer for a second physical build.
- GSM/UMTS/LTE base = +3.8 billion
- CDMA 1x/EVDO base = 480 million
China Mobile has +457 million GSM subscribers alone.
This, on a global scale would be the equivalent of Sprint deploying a Palm Pre on its Nextel iDEN network.
From a business perspective:
- Apple builds/supports 1 physical model on 1 platform GLOBALLY
- RIM/Palm/Motorola, etc. Are all large manufacturers, and have been building various models for YEARS. Apple built 1 physical model, and doesn't offer different flavors (outside of memory, and shell color).
I would actually say that Apple did want too much from Verizon Wireless to deploy a CDMA iPhone, as Apple would probably require more $$$ to make a CDMA exclusive line _just_ for Verizon/Bell, and a GSM based one for the rest of the world.
Also, I thought Apple stopped receiving data subsidies on the iPhone when the 3G version was deployed.
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60529262
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Re: Interesting Quote from CEO
GSM is a global standard too, but the frequency bands it operates are not (nor are those for LTE). You still have to get past the multiple band radio issue, which in some cases would only enable one or two smallish networks. Not worth it. |
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obeythelaw
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on att when it was cingular and never had a problem with network. When i switched to verizon, i noticed my call quality was not as good in the NY/NY area. For me, ATT's network is better than Verizon. Call quality is louder and clearer for me. Not to mention I can use all kinds of unlocked gsm phones on att. Right now, i'm still on the first generation iphone but will be upgrading soon and hope that apple keeps the iphone an att exclusive. |
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