r81984
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| How can you patent something you did not invent???
Why wouldn't these companies just make their own DVRs?
Tivo sucks and likes to pretend they invented the DVR, but everyone knows they did not.
The Echo Star case was about this: "TiVo's patent for "Time Warp" software, which allows users to record one TV program while watching another." (this patent was from 2001, way after people have already been doing what the patent claims)
I do not see how you can patent such a broad thing like this when computer software and hardware has been doing this before Tivo was invented. Also, I am sure there are 1000 of ways to accomplish this task so if Tivo patented one why not just use one of the other 999 ways?
If this patent is continued to be viewed as valid then Tivo owns the rights to all DVRs, even the ones that existed before Tivo got their patent in 2001. It just does not make sense.
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I'll take my regular Motorola DVR anyday, thanks. Since I "rent" from Cox, it already defeats the purpose of buying a DVR (tivo) and then still having to pay a monthly (un)fee. I don't care how shiny, happy, or glorious a Tivo is in comparison - my DVR does what I want it to, no more, no less. Oh, and they don't insert ads when I fast forward...
Dear Tivo - I don't care, and I don't like you. Don't want anything to do with your business or its model of operation. Never have, and now I really really really doubt I ever will.
I think I'll buy a cable-card tuner, plug it into a media center PC and be done with it. Would rather go ahead and rent just the card if that's what I absolutely have to submit to. Less money, esp. that ends up in Tivo's pockets.
On top of all that, I still think "expanded" basic channels should be delivered in CLEAR QAM so that a standard tuner can decode the signal - FORCING people to rent a box, or even the card, to decode SD or HD content that you already pay for, is wrong. It is a huge step backwards from the "cable ready" analog tuners that can legally tune the full range of available and paid for channels while still protecting "premium" content. I have no problem with HBO etc. needing some kind of descrambler that is purchased/rented, but forcing rental of decoding technology (for channels already delivered in the clear via analog - NOT just broadcast network stations) ought to be illegal, and I hope the class action suits against the cable companies address this issue and win. |
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1 edit | The glory of gaming our horribly flawed patent system
This is what happens when a company is granted a patent for obvious prior art. Now the company that didn't actually invent anything gets to extort millions from others.
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icp1
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What's with all the tivo hate?
Sheesh, I love my tivo. |
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Re: How can you patent something you did not invent???
said by r81984  :Why wouldn't these companies just make their own DVRs? Tivo sucks and likes to pretend they invented the DVR, but everyone knows they did not. The Echo Star case was about this: "TiVo's patent for "Time Warp" software, which allows users to record one TV program while watching another." (this patent was from 2001, way after people have already been doing what the patent claims) I do not see how you can patent such a broad thing like this when computer software and hardware has been doing this before Tivo was invented. Also, I am sure there are 1000 of ways to accomplish this task so if Tivo patented one why not just use one of the other 999 ways? If this patent is continued to be viewed as valid then Tivo owns the rights to all DVRs, even the ones that existed before Tivo got their patent in 2001. It just does not make sense. You can have a DVR. Just not one that lets you record one show while watching another. In other words, you can single tuner your DVR action all you want. Just don't try to watch while recording. 
Many courts have upheld the patent. So just give in an buy a TIVO like everyone else. I did and now I am a very happy person. |
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DataDoc
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Me, too. |
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Re: How can you patent something you did not invent???
said by r81984 :If this patent is continued to be viewed as valid then Tivo owns the rights to all DVRs, even the ones that existed before Tivo got their patent in 2001. It just does not make sense. It's been argued that Tivo's patent is an obvious extension of previous patents. The US Patent Office is currently investigating that:
»www.broadcastingcable.com/articl···pute.php |
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r81984
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I do not see the point of a DVR that you need a monthly subscription for or why you have to pay so much for a cheap computer with a harddrive and dual tv tuners.
Also, why is Tivo ignoring all the computer software that does dual tuners and everything a TIVO does + more. It seems like they are not really enforcing what they like to pretend they invented with a vague patent in 2001 (years after the technology was really invented).
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Me, three Tivo provides great service and quality. |
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viperlmw
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I am anxiously awaiting TIVO's Hi-def DVR for DirecTV. My wife loves the SD R-10, and how it records stuff for her that she she likes without having to set it up. And anything that makes the wife happy makes ME happy! |
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said by icp1 :What's with all the tivo hate? Sheesh, I love my tivo. tivo can't do half the stuff cable dvr's do.
1. SDV without the need for more hardware
2. Two way services. cable cards weren't needed with the older style boxes till the FCC sold out to tivo and required the cable companies to provide cable cards.. |
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said by viperlmw :And anything that makes the wife happy makes ME happy! rarely are truer words ever uttered on this site...
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Re: knew this one was coming...
i have Tivo3 and Charter. I pay my monthly fee to Tivo for dvr service and zero to Charter for cable card. For many people, Tivo at 12.95 a month or less than $9 for prepaid makes more sense than $15 a month to the cable company. less money and more service. |
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said by ajwees41 :said by icp1 :What's with all the tivo hate? Sheesh, I love my tivo. tivo can't do half the stuff cable dvr's do. it's the other way around: cable dvr's can do about half what a Tivo can do.
plus, SDV / on demand is complete garbage. it's filler designed to look like something useful but it never was to me. |
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said by ajwees41 :said by icp1 :What's with all the tivo hate? Sheesh, I love my tivo. tivo can't do half the stuff cable dvr's do. 1. SDV without the need for more hardware 2. Two way services. cable cards weren't needed with the older style boxes till the FCC sold out to tivo and required the cable companies to provide cable cards.. I don't have cable  |
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axiomatic
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Actually this is wrong.
You can do SDV and two way services... its just that AGAIN CableLabs and pretty much everyone cable co. involved is taking their sweet ass time with the USB adaptor to make this all work properly. |
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said by axiomatic :Actually this is wrong. You can do SDV and two way services... its just that AGAIN CableLabs and pretty much everyone cable co. involved is taking their sweet ass time with the USB adaptor to make this all work properly. the sdv adapter is out, but it only does sdv not 2way communications no odemand, or other two way services. |
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ajwees41
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said by morbo :said by ajwees41 :said by icp1 :What's with all the tivo hate? Sheesh, I love my tivo. tivo can't do half the stuff cable dvr's do. it's the other way around: cable dvr's can do about half what a Tivo can do. plus, SDV / on demand is complete garbage. it's filler designed to look like something useful but it never was to me. sdv is not complete garbage if your favorite channel is moved there since you are the only to watch it. |
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