S_engineer
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Chicago, IL | Excellent.....
Its a start....this will be interesting to see who opposes this besides the usual suspects!
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en102
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1 edit | Botched analogy
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"Free Press prefers that grandma - who simply wants to download their grandchildren's online photos a few times a month - to pay for the heavy-using teenager who is downloading HD movies."
Grandma that wants to download online photos a few times / month should probably pay ~ $10-$15/month, and 'high' end users should be in the $40-$100/month (6Mbps -> 50Mbps).
The 'caps' on grandma's usage would be a paltry 5GB - not even enough to download typical service pack upgrades without overages.
While I don't like caps, at least Comcast has set a 'usable' 250GB cap. Just because I don't need high speed, doesn't mean I don't want to 'use' the Internet.
I'd almost laugh at this part... I see a BIG shell game here:
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Only affects internet providers with 2 million or more subscribers
AT&T of Santa Clarita, AT&T of San Fernando Valley, AT&T of Burbank....
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4 edits | Sensible regulation
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• Requires internet service providers (ISPs) to submit plans to the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), in consultation with the FCC if they plan to move to a usage-based plan;
• Prohibits volume usage plans if the FTC determines that these plans are imposing rates, terms, and conditions that are unreasonable or discriminatory;
• Sets up public hearings for plans submitted to the FTC for public review and input;
• Only affects internet providers with 2 million or more subscribers;
• Imposes penalties for broadband ISPs that ignore these rules;
I read the bill »massa.house.gov/uploads/Broadban···sAct.pdf and it is completely sensible, forcing larger providers to justify their prices. And when justified by any number of reasons outlined, they get their pricing schedule approved. But if the effect of the price schedule adversely impacts competition or is not justified by the costs of deploying and providing the service, they don't get to gouge their customers.
Simply put, like utilities, these providers need only justify their gouging. So if they are being beaten by bandwidth or upgrade costs to the point they can't be profitable, let them prove it. But if they are shown to be full of crap like Bell Canada was, they'll get laughed out of the room (at least until their checks to Congress clear and pressure is put on the FTC to let cable and telcos abuse their market position to defend video revenues).
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Tails
join:2007-09-25
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| Like I said in a previous thread...
...the only way to change things is to get the people educated and show them that this is a problem: that carriers who wish to impliment such rediculous pricing models (aka TWC) are only doing this for the reason Karl states above.
The people have to start caring and start doing something, or nothing will be done.
People really have forgotten how much power they hold vs the government/corporations.
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BigMac777
join:2001-07-21
Green Valley, AZ | Politician For The People
Finally a politician stepping up and doing the right thing for the people. |
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TKJunkMail
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|  This bill will never make it thru Congress
This bill is populist nonsense by a Congressman peeved at TWC and their metered billing plans.
If you go to his web site, one argument he uses for having this bill is pure BS. Does he think the voters and his fellow congresscritters are ALL idiots?
»massa.house.gov/?sectionid=24&pa···emid=316
In April, when Time Warner Cable in Rochester announced that they would begin overcharging customers based on their bandwidth usage, a group of doctors approached Congressman Massa and informed him that if the proposal was enacted, they would be forced to raise rates on their patients. Time Warner's new program would have raised the cost of their current unlimited internet plan from $50 per month to $150 per month
LOL. Right - $100 more per month for internet access would cause doctors to raise their patient charges. Who is he kidding. Like they need an excuse to do that anyway.
Karl calls it right on this bill:
it's hard to think this (or any legislation mandating how ISPs price services) will make it through a heavily lobbied Congress.
Expect Massa to lose this particular fight, barring some kind of K-Street miracle.
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
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Re: Botched analogy
"Grandma that wants to download online photos a few times / month should probably pay ~ $10-$15/month, and 'high' end users should be in the $40-$100/month (6Mbps -> 50Mbps).
The 'caps' on grandma's usage would be a paltry 5GB - not even enough to download typical service pack upgrades without overages."
I agree, if they want 'grandma' to pay less charge her like $10 for a 768-ish connection. If I want a 100m connection so I can and most likely will do more then I do not mind paying more. But make it reasonable. |
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
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Re: This bill will never make it thru Congress
But at least it looks like some1 may actually be listening to us for a change.
Maybe this will get the cap into the main stream view and people will learn what it is and how it works ect. And it if does get into the main stream the ISPs should NOT be the only ones who can educate the people, groups like stop the cap consumer advocates and people who want to say why caps are bad should be able to speak up. |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL | reply to TKJunkMail
Come on tk, you can't possibly be on the side of TW are you?
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Mr Matt
join:2008-01-29
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|  Lack of Oxygen causes Brain Damage.
 The lack of Oxygen at the top of the ivory towers have caused the ISP Executives brain damage and lack of logic. They forget that most local telephone service is flat rate and unlimited. Unlike a switched connection a TCP/IP connection does not tie up a path through the network. Those executives need to get their screws tightened. Give Eric Massa a thumbs up for me. |
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hayabusa3303
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Re: This bill will never make it thru Congress
said by TKJunkMail  :If you go to his web site, one argument he uses for having this bill is pure BS. But arent most bills BS anyway and they pass with flying colors.  |
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Bit
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Shocking...isn't it.
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hayabusa3303
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said by S_engineer :Come on tk, you can't possibly be on the side of TW are you? He has stock in TW whats why he says that.
Be funny as hell if this takes place and the stock takes a big dump. No golf today there TK. All your money just went down the tubes just to make a buck. |
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TKJunkMail
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said by S_engineer :Come on tk, you can't possibly be on the side of TW are you? If I was CEO of TWC I wouldn't be pricing the way they planned on doing it. It was a supremely stupid move on their part. Their CEO should be summarily fired. I've posted here before on how I would structure prices.
But I do believe that as a private corporation that TWC should be able to decide on how to price their services. What we don't need is more meddling in the decisions of individual corporations by the government. There is already too much of that now.
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TKJunkMail
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said by hayabusa3303 :said by S_engineer :Come on tk, you can't possibly be on the side of TW are you? He has stock in TW whats why he says that. I have stock in 100's of corporations around the globe. I have no special interest in TWC and I couldn't even tell you exactly how much I have invested there. But it would be much less than 1% of my portfolio. So that has no part in my feelings about this bill submitted by a brain dead populist idiot of a congresscritter.
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | 2 million or more subscribers?
Once again, the democrats only care about people living in large urban areas.
PenTeleData will continue to screw us out with their low caps and lack of competition out here.  |
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Wizeguy
join:2008-08-23
Safety Harbor, FL
1 edit | Unlimted Broadband
I want low cost unlimited wireless and broadband and be able to watch live TV on the internet anyplace in the world. Is that too much to ask for? Geesh people throw me a bone here!!! |
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Bit
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Re: This bill will never make it thru Congress
said by TKJunkMail :But I do believe that as a private corporation that TWC should be able to decide on how to price their services. What we don't need is more meddling in the decisions of individual corporations by the government. There is already too much of that now. Sure because corporations can be trusted not to abuse their market position (in data services) when competing with one another (in per-view video services). Because they can't be trusted is why we have an FTC in the first place.
If they aren't lying sacks of crap (like Bell Canada) they'll get their 'needed' price schedule. But they can not be permitted to raise HSI rates in defense of video revenues.
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major marco
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Too bad if it's even taken to committee that the paid corporate whores lobbyists will ensure that it will be watered down/loopholed/ reversed to the extent where it will be completely and utterly ::WORTHLESS:: as most bills of this nature tend to be reduced to. |
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baineschile
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Sterling Heights, MI | reply to S_engineer
Re: Excellent.....
There is a difference between metering and caps.
No law should tell an ISP how to manage their network. As long as the cap is fair, it should be enforced. |
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