sonicmerlin
join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
| DOCSIS 3
Sigh...where's my DOCSIS 3 tech? It's 2009 and TWC hasn't made any plans to employ the technology anywhere.
Anyways, monopolies and incumbents always exhibit self-destructive behavior. They become become so fattened off the profitable rewards of their non-competitive market they have no idea how to react when things start to change. |
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baineschile
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join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI
 ·Comcast
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| They are right...kinda
Most people (at this day and age) dont notice the difference between a 3Mb and a 12Mb connection for their general web browsing/email experience.
This isnt true for everyone of course, gamers and people that do a lot of D/U.
I suppose it matters more that they are showing no interest at all at upgrading their infastructure, like Fios and Comcast have been doing the last few months. |
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cferra
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join:2005-01-31
Valley Stream, NY | They need to invest in their network to remain competitive. Its companies like that that stifle the growth of the internet. just thing about all the things that could be done with faster network speeds.. |
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tubbynet
reminds me of the danse russe
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join:2008-01-16
Chandler, AZ
·Cox HSI
·Callcentric
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| qwest could stay relevant if...
qwest could remain relevant and alive if they choose to compete on price rather than speed. when they roll out vdsl, they will remain somewhat on par with d3 speeds, but until then, they have nothing going for them at this point.
i was looking the other day at getting dry-loop dsl to replace my cable line. for their "fast" tier of 1.5meg, they wanted nearly $50 from me (granted this was no pots, no contract). if i was in a place where i thought i would be staying for a bit and already had qwest pots, the deal might be considered, but at $50 for 1.5meg dry-loop, i'll keep funneling my money to the local mso where i pay 59.99 for 15/1.5meg.
q.
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sonicmerlin
join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH | They'll be to D3 what DSL is to cable now.
I wonder why they couldn't build the nodes closer to achieve the maximum speeds VDSL is capable of. |
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spewak
R.I.P Dadkins
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join:2001-08-07
Elk Grove, CA
·SureWest Internet
·FrontierNet Intern..
| reply to sonicmerlin
Re: DOCSIS 3
said by sonicmerlin  :Anyways, monopolies and incumbents always exhibit self-destructive behavior. They become become so fattened off the profitable rewards of their non-competitive market they have no idea how to react when things start to change. A good case to back up your point: Look no further than Frontier here in Elk Grove, Ca. They are generally lost as to how react to competition. They took the low road as far as download speeds, and they plan on staying there as long as they can. 
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| reply to sonicmerlin
Re: qwest could stay relevant if...
said by sonicmerlin :..... I wonder why they couldn't build the nodes closer to achieve the maximum speeds VDSL is capable of. $$$$$$ |
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SuperWISP
join:2007-04-17
Laramie, WY
3 edits | 768K of upstream speed is enough for residential service.
You don't need more unless you're hosting a server locally, which is a business activity. Residential connections are asymmetrical for good reason: it satisfies the needs of residential users.
The only users who are likely to be dissatisfied with the upstream bandwidth that Qwest provides are the P2Pers. If a user is doing P2P, he isn't making ordinary residential use of the connection. He's engaged in a business -- the illegal business of distributing pirated copies of intellectual property. Qwest shouldn't be catering to him. |
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axiomatic
join:2006-08-23
Tomball, TX
| 768K of upstream speed is enough for residential service. NOT!
You comment is so naive I don't even know where to start. I'm not a Quest user, but many of my wife's colleagues are and they are definitely not gamers but web developers who work from home for a large PC manufacturer. They constantly complain about their VPN speeds to the corporate network. They see all of their other colleagues getting a nice 2Mbps up and a chipper 6Mbps down and as it turns out the employees NOT on Quest are more productive because they are not always waiting for their uploads/downloads to finish.
How about you open your eyes to a much bigger world SuperWISP and stop trying to rationalize something you really don't understand.
And your comments on P2P are laughable. You do realize that there are loads of legal valid uses for P2P don't you? My company uses P2P for software and driver updates. Its far more efficient and less taxing to our public software offerings than FTP is. |
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giansky
@comcast.net
| Qwest
Let's face it, Qwest is winding down its business!
They're trying to sell long distance. They have a ever diminishing land line business. And, the slowest Internet service!
I just wish Verizon would buy them so, in my area, we'd have a FIOS option.
RIP Qwest |
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WiseOldNerd
De gustibus non est disputandum
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join:2001-11-25
Phoenix, AZ
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| Qwest Move Headquarters out of Denver
Obviously the altitude in Denver has reduced the intellectual capacity of all Qwest management down to the idiot level. They seem to have completely missed the point that their infrastructure needs to be upgraded so that they can deliver fast downloads in all metropolitan areas. 1.5 just doesn't cut it and 3.0 is really no better. If they can't provide at least 10 down in every city they serve they should just sell it and let someone capable take over. And the service needs to be everywhere in every city, not just a few isolated areas that some idiot bean counter feels will pay off. I personally left Qwest for cable in two different cities because the service sucked and they had no plans to improve the infrastructure to do better.
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no_one
@qwest.net
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Re: 768K of upstream speed is enough for residential service.
I love photography and video. I shoot raw on the photos. I just love to send tiny low quality jpgs because of slow upload.
I also do work etc. from home. Love to share those big files across a slow connection.
No I do not need 10 meg upload. A couple would do nicely. If I wanted to run a real server have it hosted. There is no way to get that nice close connection to fat pipes without hosting. |
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no_one
@qwest.net | reply to WiseOldNerd
Re: Qwest Move Headquarters out of Denver
They have plans to make the infrastructure better. Blame and fire the employees. The employees are the cause of slow speeds and bad plant. |
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SuperWISP
join:2007-04-17
Laramie, WY
4 edits | reply to axiomatic
Re: 768K of upstream speed is enough for residential service. NO
said by axiomatic :They constantly complain about their VPN speeds to the corporate network. That's business use. No surprise that it requires a business class connection. That's not a problem for any ISP to provide, but you should expect to pay a fair price for the larger amount of resources you are consuming and the greater cost of providing them.
said by axiomatic :How about you open your eyes to a much bigger world SuperWISP and stop trying to rationalize something you really don't understand. How about you open your eyes to the real world, where bandwidth costs money and can't just be given away for free?
said by axiomatic :You do realize that there are loads of legal valid uses for P2P don't you? When you signed up for a residential class connection, you agreed not to run a server -- and P2P turns computers into servers. So, P2P is not legal or valid in this situation, even if it is one of the tiny fraction of a percent of cases where P2P is not being used for piracy. Again, you should not expect to use an ISP's resources without paying at least as much as they cost. That's just fair. |
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SuperWISP
join:2007-04-17
Laramie, WY
1 edit | reply to no_one
Re: 768K of upstream speed is enough for residential service.
said by no_one :
No I do not need 10 meg upload. A couple would do nicely.
Then buy that much. Any ISP will gladly sell it to you. You might even want to try using a WISP.  |
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Kfedka
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join:2005-05-06
Spokane, WA | Stuck at 1.5mb/s
For Qwest business we are stuck at 1.5mb/s since we got to the location in 2004. Now its the middle of 2009 and still stuck at 1.5mb/s. Lame if you ask me. Updates and backups take forever!
Would be at least happy with at least 7mb. |
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no way dude
@qwest.net | reply to no_one
Re: Qwest Move Headquarters out of Denver
why did dsl reports put up this info qwest is working on adsl2+ from what I have herd witch will have upto a 40mb upload speed and 80mb down I hear they will ever have a 12 down 5 up |
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viperlmw
Premium
join:2005-01-25 | reply to Kfedka
Re: Stuck at 1.5mb/s
Depending on where in Spocompton you are, you may be able to get up to 20M soon as that area is a FTTN project for 2009. |
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mossland
@iauq.com |  reply to SuperWISP
Re: 768K of upstream speed is enough for residential service.
It took me hours to download Windows 7. But I guess that is ok since my speed is "enough" and I can let my computer run all night. :-P |
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BBBanditRuR
join:2009-06-02
Parachute, CO | reply to SuperWISP
I don't like long times uploading/saturating bandwidth/ and that crap interleaving +15MS U/D on ping. So your argument is valid for grandma, not for people who need to do ANY telecommuting/file uploads etc... |
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