flycuban
join:2005-04-25
Homestead, FL
| Funny
Funny that at the end of the day - consumers still have the option of choosing whomever they want as their ISP, etc. Comcast can compete just as any other provider in the area. Consumers are NOT being forced to purchase services from any one company, unless there isn't any other company to choose from.
I wish we had some type of fiber to the home, instead of at&t's u-verse crap down here in Miami. Florida Power & Light tested BPL technology a few years ago, found out that providing internet access to residential customers would open a whole new can of worms. FPL is in the business of energy not being an ISP. Which is what most large energy companies don't want to get into. |
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jarrodholder
join:2002-07-22
Rossville, GA
clubs:
|  North Georgia EPB Customers?
Every story I've seen about this doesn't say if the North Georgia customers will be included in the "...by 2010" time frame. I know they are having to do separate state approval for the Georgia customers, but that's really all that has been said. No updates.
I don't care so much about the TV and Phone products (not that I wouldn't mind switching) but I REALLY want the Fiber Internet! |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
 ·Comcast
| More Misplaced Priorities
»www.timesfreepress.com/news/2008···d-crime/
»chattanooga.areaconnect.com/crime1.htm
»www.neighborhoodscout.com/tn/cha···a/crime/
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With a crime rate of 107 per one thousand residents, Chattanooga has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 9. Within Tennessee, more than 90% of the communities have a lower crime rate than Chattanooga.
Glad to see the local government has such a "take charge" attitide towards real problems. A quick glance at Google shows that the public school system doesn't seem to be that great either.
But I guess fiber optic internet on the taxpayer dime is more important than having safe streets and good schools, right?
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flycuban
join:2005-04-25
Homestead, FL | reply to jarrodholder
Re: North Georgia EPB Customers?
Same here - I think a 10/10 internet connection would be fine with me.  |
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jarrodholder
join:2002-07-22
Rossville, GA
clubs:
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Re: More Misplaced Priorities
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But I guess fiber optic internet on the taxpayer dime is more important than having safe streets and good schools, right?
YEP! |
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jarrodholder
join:2002-07-22
Rossville, GA
clubs: | reply to flycuban
Re: North Georgia EPB Customers?
Agreed. 8/8 or even 6/6 would make me happy considering what I have now (dual 3MB dsl load-balanced). |
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Killa200
Premium
join:2005-12-02
Spring City, TN | reply to pnh102
Re: More Misplaced Priorities
those statistics are really localized to certain neighborhoods in that area. A very large part of Chattanooga is much safer than most other mid sized cities i have been to. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| I just have a problem with a government uses an entity it controls, in this case, the local electric utility, to gain a competitive advantage over private companies when the same government doesn't use an entity it controls, in the other case, law enforcement, to deal with real problems that are more pertinent.
The problem with high rates of crime in localized areas is that it makes the entire city look bad.
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Neyland
join:2003-02-04
USA | reply to pnh102
Guess that's up to the citizens of the city. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
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Re: Funny
said by flycuban  :Funny that at the end of the day - consumers still have the option of choosing whomever they want as their ISP, etc. Comcast can compete just as any other provider in the area. Consumers are NOT being forced to purchase services from any one company, unless there isn't any other company to choose from. They are forced to take services from the electric utilty, which may be forced to subsidize the ISP services if that venture proves unprofitable. Then those electric customers could see higher rates to cover the ISP losses.
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Vertickle
join:2003-08-05
Madison, AL
·Knology
| reply to pnh102
Re: More Misplaced Priorities
said by pnh102 :» www.timesfreepress.com/news/2008···d-crime/» chattanooga.areaconnect.com/crime1.htm» www.neighborhoodscout.com/tn/cha···a/crime/ quote:
With a crime rate of 107 per one thousand residents, Chattanooga has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 9. Within Tennessee, more than 90% of the communities have a lower crime rate than Chattanooga.
Glad to see the local government has such a "take charge" attitide towards real problems. A quick glance at Google shows that the public school system doesn't seem to be that great either. But I guess fiber optic internet on the taxpayer dime is more important than having safe streets and good schools, right? I fail to see what the EPB of Chattanooga has to do with local crime rates... |
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Noah Vail
Premium
join:2004-12-10
Lorton, VA
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Funny
Out of curiosity, would you detail a publicly funded ISP Scenario that you WOULD be in favor of?
I'm just trying to figure out if (such as an O'Bama supporter would do) your conclusions are pre-determined with the supporting facts filled in later.
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Noah Vail
Premium
join:2004-12-10
Lorton, VA
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to Vertickle
Re: More Misplaced Priorities
said by Vertickle :I fail to see what the EPB of Chattanooga has to do with local crime rates... I was thinking the same thing.
Why are we holding the electric utility management responsible for the isolated high crime rate spots in the city?
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Neyland
join:2003-02-04
USA
| said by Noah Vail :said by Vertickle :I fail to see what the EPB of Chattanooga has to do with local crime rates... I was thinking the same thing. Why are we holding the electric utility management responsible for the isolated high crime rate spots in the city? NV He's trying to say the gov shouldn't have let the electric company (which it owns) take out bonds to perform these upgrades.
Instead they should have figured out a way to allow the electric company to take out bonds to donate to the schools or fund police officers.
See how all that makes sense? |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| reply to Vertickle
said by Vertickle :I fail to see what the EPB of Chattanooga has to do with local crime rates... According to the EPB's website it is a government agency. This means it is exempted from many of the rules and taxes that a company like Comcast would have to pay.
The only grounds under which a plan like this could be challenged by Comcast or another competitor is that this is the government trying to muscle in on a what should be a task left to private industry. I only posted the crime and schools info because I believe that the government in general should be more focused on these issues than the niche of fiber optic internet.
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jkeelsnc
join:2008-08-22
Boone, NC
| Very interesting indeed
Lately it seems that a number of cities and towns across the US are rolling their own Fiber systems. I think its great. It is not as if it is a socialized system. Well, the installation of the system is yes and its run by a city. However, customers still pay a subscription fee.
The only people who are afraid of this are the cable companies and the incumbent telephone companies. They whine and try to use litigation to tie up the courts and waste taxpayer dollars on court costs to try to get protection from competition. This is nothing more than corporate welfare.
NC has two cities that are rolling out their own muni fiber systems. One is the greenlight system in Wilson and then Salisbury is rolling one out as well. The incumbents have tried on several occasions to get the general assembly to pass bills preventing municipalities from competing in the local arena. Fortunately, right now we have a sensible general assembly that just about refuses to hear this nonsense. Every time they have shelved the bills that incumbents have introduced (and don't think for a minute that the bill wasn't written or at least heavily influenced by the incumbents).
I am glad to see that Chattanooga is willing to deliver and is able to do so where either the incumbents cannot (sometimes they can't realistically) or where in some cases they refuse to do it. Hopefully, the legislature in Nashville has as much sense as the NC General Assembly in Raleigh to laugh off any kind of nonsense bills introduced by the incumbents.
Have a nice day. Thanks. |
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jarrodholder
join:2002-07-22
Rossville, GA
clubs: |  Very well said! |
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jkeelsnc
join:2008-08-22
Boone, NC
| Off topic but brief
Law enforcement is important. However, instead of cordoning off a section of a city and then locking everyone up inside it you don't like why not try to reach to those communities to influence them. For instance, the US has the largest inmate population in the world.
Some crimes like murder, rape, grand theft auto, bank robbery, and other violent and serious crimes are legit for jail sentences. But is it really to your benefit to crack heads on every person who has an ounce of marijuana. How much petty nonsense is created in departments in cities trying to enforce unenforceable laws. On the other hand, I would say the same is true of hand guns. OHHH, thats contradictory some would say on both sides of the fence. I support legalization of marijuana and also the right to own hand guns.
I suppose that makes me an enemy on both side of the fence. As a democrat, I still don't always agree with everything the party says.
My point is. Some things cannot be enforced. For instance, some in the left extreme would love to disarm everyone. Is that really enforceable when it is a constitutional right and many would just as well shoot someone before they'd let them take away their arms. By the same token, is it really worthwhile to try to lock up and punish everyone who smokes pot or grows it, etc when it is a much less harmful drug than alcohol? Not to mention the expense to enforce it in courts, jails, law enforcement etc.
Also, if you don't fix the problem of the source of the crimes which starts with parents in the home then you have little chance of really solving the problem. Jail for some smaller crimes is a bandaid solution and tougher sentencing has not helped except to cost taxpayers a crap load of money.
Thank you. Have a nice day. |
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sturmvogel
Obama '08
join:2008-02-07
Houston, TX
| reply to pnh102
Re: More Misplaced Priorities
said by pnh102 :I just have a problem with a government uses an entity it controls, in this case, the local electric utility, to gain a competitive advantage over private companies when the same government doesn't use an entity it controls, in the other case, law enforcement, to deal with real problems that are more pertinent. Funny how you do not have a problem with a government propping a business with no compete franchises so that tax payers have less choice in service providers and pay more.
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sturmvogel
Obama '08
join:2008-02-07
Houston, TX | reply to jkeelsnc
Re: Very interesting indeed
Well said ! |
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