Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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Mullica Hill, NJ
| profits
DPI and other packet scanning for the sake if enforcing RIAA agenda isnt profitable.
ISPs are more likely to go with caps and overage fees then booting the said people for pirating movies and music. and until the law changes it will be the angle investors seek. as playing Enforcer for the RIAA/MAFIAA isnt profitable.
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baineschile
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| The industry
If the industry wasnt so greedy for so many years (18.99 for a 9 track CD at Harmony House!?!?!?) people wouldnt pirate so much. They have pushed and pushed to hold their own business model, and now its too late. They tried having DRM MP3s, which was also another gigantic failure.
They should have embraced Napster when they had the chance; and opportunity for their music to be heard on every channel available.
Up next, in about 4 years, is the MPAA.
I hope the ISPs never have to play cops. They should be the pipe, not the police of all content over it. |
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working
@spcsdns.net | the guy from metallica started all this crap. |
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knightmb
Everybody Lies
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN
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Re: profits
said by Kearnstd  :DPI and other packet scanning for the sake if enforcing RIAA agenda isnt profitable. ISPs are more likely to go with caps and overage fees then booting the said people for pirating movies and music. and until the law changes it will be the angle investors seek. as playing Enforcer for the RIAA/MAFIAA isnt profitable. I think they are targeting more of the casual pirate person than the heavy users because if my ISP had a 200GB cap, that would be tons of music and hundreds of movies, so how much good would either really do?
I agree though, the packet scanning software is useless in the century of high powered encryption and software available for all platforms that support encryption from point to point.
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Transmaster
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join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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Re: The industry
said by working :
the guy from metallica started all this crap.
I have always wondered how many people, because of what Metallica did, P2P'ed their music just to poke them in the eyes, and Na-Na-Nee-Na-Na.
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CO_Chris
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Broomfield, CO | reply to working
said by working :
the guy from metallica started all this crap.
That dude is an @ss Hole. The ORG napster was da $hit.. |
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funchords
Hello
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Washington, DC
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|  DMCA letters aren't ignored
quotes from the lead-in:
Executives at several ISPs we've spoken to like citing a UK study that claims 72% of P2P users would stop with just a warning. Cox Communications is the only major ISP we know of that terminates repeat P2P violators -- but only after repeat notifications. Cox says they've actually only had to terminate the service of one-tenth of 1% of all users. The Cox experience tends to show the effectiveness of the current notifications against those that would be the most egregious copyrighted-material file-sharers.
In a world where anyone with free software and free websites can record, master, promote and distribute their own music, who needs a record company? But as long as file sharing is around, the RIAA members will have a scapegoat to blame for everything that ails the industry. Everything, that is, except for themselves.
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Mr Matt
join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
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| Music Industry mad can no longer overcharge consumers.
 The music industry is angry because they can no longer overcharge consumers.
1) Before the commercial release of the first Compact Disc in 1983, several record labels announced the price for a Premium Digitally Mastered CD would be $12.98. A Philips representative I spoke to stated that the hardware side of the music industry believed that the cost of Compact Discs would decrease as manufacturing techniques improved to increase yield. In the early days of CD production 50% of CD's had to be discarded because of manufacturing defects.
2) In early 1983 the first Compact Discs were released.
3) By the middle of 1983, because of the tremendous demand, record stores placed a $4.00 Premium on Compact Discs. Compact Discs that had a catalog price of $12.95 now sold for $16.95. Record stores even charged $16.95 for Compact Discs that were intended to be sold for the budget price of $7.95 for $16.95. Who kept the extra profits? Non other than the record store owners.
4) In 1984 performers sued the RIAA because they were receiving copyright fees based on an MSRP of $12.95 when the record stores were actually selling the product of their work for $16.95. Performers prevailed and the list price of Compact Discs were raised to $16.95.
5) Unfortunately for consumers there were enough customers still buying Compact Discs at inflated prices to continue to support the inflated prices.
6) By the mid 1990's most record collectors had replaced their record collections with Compact Discs. The outrageous price for Compact Discs could no longer be supported.
7) Rather than lowering prices the record labels raised prices further cutting demand.
8) Fortunately for the RIAA the Internet and Computer CD Drives became available to be used as a scape goat for a decrease in Compact Disc sales. |
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funchords
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Re: The industry
said by baineschile :Up next, in about 4 years, is the MPAA. I agree, but it sure would be nice to dissuade the MPAA from heading down that road farther than they have to. Leaks haven't harmed opening box offices, and I can attest via my 25-year-old tech-savvy daughter that DVD sales still happen in a world where file-sharing is easy.
Hollywood can be so low-tech sometimes.
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Pv8man
join:2008-07-24
Hammond, IN | reply to Transmaster
LOL, Metalica was the first thing I ever downloaded,
back in the days of Napster.
And I did it purely out of spite
(Even though I already had two of their albums) |
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mrchris
We don't miss you Bush
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join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY | reply to working
said by working :
the guy from metallica started all this crap.
Lars Ulrich (the drummer) is the asshole you are speaking of. |
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Jigsaw
Stardust We Are
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join:2000-10-21
Cleveland, OH | reply to Mr Matt
Re: Music Industry mad can no longer overcharge consumers.
Sounds like they dint think there Evil Plan all the way thou.. |
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winsyrstrife
River City Bounce
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join:2002-04-30
Brooklyn, NY
clubs: | reply to Mr Matt
I really think you should have labeled this post: "Rise and Fall of the RIAA" |
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axiomatic
join:2006-08-23
Tomball, TX
| Good luck cox
Good luck with those dwindling profits there Cox. When you alienate one customer you can guarantee that word of mouth from the "canned" customer will loose you a few more.
You can only keep this up for so long. "I'm game, we'll see who blinks first." |
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TheWickerMan
join:2002-04-09
Enola, PA
| reply to Transmaster
Re: The industry
said by Transmaster : I have always wondered how many people, because of what Metallica did, P2P'ed their music just to poke them in the eyes, and Na-Na-Nee-Na-Na. Not me, I already had all their albums that were worth having. Everything from that horrible "Black" album on sucked, and I wouldn't have wasted the time it took to download any of it. |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| riaa should surrender old bus. model
Honestly.. an 75-800mb file transfers in just minutes with today's broadband connections.. so the RIAA is on the wrong side of history.. IF they were smart (which they're not) they'd evolve the business model to get corporate sponsors of artists instead of trying to drag every last cent out of the public.. they're not that stupid anymore and most won't pay a lawsuit judgement (on principle) even if they had the money to burn.
So what's left? Sure, still sell a legal digital product & physical ones, if they must.. but leave the consumer alone (YOU'D SELL MORE PRODUCT WITH HONEY, THAN TAR). Unless someone stands on the corner in front of the RIAA office selling pre-releases. LEAVE THEM THE "F" ALONE!!! |
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cornelius785
join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA
| reply to baineschile
Re: The industry
I also really hope the the ISPs don't become the internet police. I'm sort of suprised that some police organization/union hasn't gotten into this mad brawl of the MAFIAA, piraters, regular internet users, ISPs, and artists. I suppose the 'ISP police' could fall under citizen's arrest laws, but the liability seems too much to risk as the ISP as the ISP would be the one to get charged with whatever, not the MAFIAA. |
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fonzbear2000
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join:2005-08-09
Saint Paul, MN
|  Good for the ISP's!
If you buy a car, the dealership isn't responsible if you speed. If you buy a gun, the place you buy it from isn't responsible if you use it illegally. So ISP's shouldn't be responsible for what you download or share.
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robl27
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Mary Esther, FL | reply to funchords
Re: DMCA letters aren't ignored
peer guarian works - trust me:»phoenixlabs.org/pg2/ |
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sivran
Long Live The Suite
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Re: Good for the ISP's!
The ISPs would also be setting a precedent dangerous both for themselves and their customers. If they agreed to filter now, they could easily have put themselves in position to be pushed into even more costly filtering later on.
Any ISP implementing filters would also be at a competitive disadvantage with ISPs who don't. Kinda like the whole cap 'n meter thing. The other ISPs are perfectly content to wait and see whether TWC-RR throws itself off a cliff or cracks open a goldmine. True, AT&T's experimenting with the same, but doing it much more quietly, and only in places where TWC-RR's already doing it.
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