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join:2003-02-13
Stepford, CA
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Frontier tells locals they may upgrade the area with broadband "within three to four years," after the eight to twelve months the deal is expected to take to complete.
And in the meantime, even if the local municipality wanted to provide highspeed Internet services to its residents, it couldn't because of this kind of bullshit. The area is only "unprofitable" unless and until the local muni steps in.
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Metatron2008
join:2008-09-02
Stockbridge, GA | Yeah, until Telcos and cablecos sue them for trying muni broadband. |
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Hazy Arc
join:2006-04-10
Greenwood, SC | Laughable
Simpsonville and Woodruff are not rural by any stretch of the imagination...hell, they are within 10-15 miles of downtown Greenville. Why Verizon dropped the ball on this is beyond me. |
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kontos
xyzzy
join:2001-10-04
West Henrietta, NY |  It's called a "business opportunity"
All you need to do is to convince some investors that the Big (Bad) ISPs are wrong.
There's nothing stopping you from building out service to these areas. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| said by kontos  :All you need to do is to convince some investors that the Big (Bad) ISPs are wrong. There's nothing stopping you from building out service to these areas. Apparently you can't read. ISPs spend a lot of money suing cities and towns that want to build out their own networks. they claim those are THEIR territories and having the local government build out is "unfair" competition. Of course the ISP don't have nay plans to build out themselves but just say that SOMEDAY they MIGHT consider it. So people are suppsoed to wait for this mythical "someday" that never gets here. |
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kontos
xyzzy
join:2001-10-04
West Henrietta, NY
| said by BF69 :said by kontos :All you need to do is to convince some investors that the Big (Bad) ISPs are wrong. There's nothing stopping you from building out service to these areas. Apparently you can't read. ISPs spend a lot of money suing cities and towns that want to build out their own networks. Mr. Gooder Reading-oligist,
I never said anything about the government going into business. I was mentioning that a private entrepreneur could start an ISP and (allegedly) make a killing serving these areas. |
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trish2
join:2008-03-24
Laurens, SC
| stuck in broadband no man's land
This very thing is why the citizens of South Carolina need to wire themselves with municipal fiber (www.greenlightnc.com is a great example of what we must do in South Carolina) instead of waiting for AT&T, Charter, and Verizon to do it for them. I am sick of being abandoned by the big ISP's!! It is time we took our future into our own hands. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
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| reply to BF69
Re: It's called a "business opportunity"
Grab some investors and make your own private entity. Might be doing that myself in a similar situation...town of 10k and TWC is the only decent broadband here. Verizon never bothered to roll out DSL since their lines are pretty screwy; a telephone company ~40 miles over put in a DSLAM awhile back but it can't service most of the town and speeds and prices are uncompetitive (1.5/512 for $50) unless you're a business within range. |
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Frontier blows
@verizon.net
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I live in rochester new york, where Frontier has a pretty good stake in the area..... Here is my advice for those in South Carolina.... When Frontier tells you that they will upgrade the area in 3 to 4 years after the purchase goes through, don't hold your breath you will drop dead in 60 seconds!
I have lived in Rochester for 35 years, and was told 10 years ago they were upgrading the area.... My speeds are now half what they were when I got it 4 years ago.
When will Frontier wake up and realize there is NO MONEY in landline! Give it up, you are not going to recover your losses by taking on more copper.... get out, just get out its over! |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
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Re: Laughable
said by Hazy Arc :Simpsonville and Woodruff are not rural by any stretch of the imagination...hell, they are within 10-15 miles of downtown Greenville. Why Verizon dropped the ball on this is beyond me. 20,000 lines is simply not worth it to Verizon. That is (in their eyes) as rural as it gets unfortunately. |
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO
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Re: It's called a "business opportunity"
"I was mentioning that a private entrepreneur could start an ISP and (allegedly) make a killing serving these areas."
Private small(but still kick butt) business FTW! Well small compared to the big ISPs.
There is a lot of rural towns in the KC area(both sides of the state line. and kc area= places that get the kc OTA tv channels) and even some places in the heart of KC[down town] that have NO wired internet, other than Tx. the WISP I subscribe to serves most of said areas on both sides of the state line. You think he would do that is he was not making money? I don't. So so there is some money in the areas, just not enough for the big ISPs to take them seriously. |
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SuperJoker
join:2005-11-21
Yermo, CA
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Re: Laughable
said by Matt :said by Hazy Arc :Simpsonville and Woodruff are not rural by any stretch of the imagination...hell, they are within 10-15 miles of downtown Greenville. Why Verizon dropped the ball on this is beyond me. 20,000 lines is simply not worth it to Verizon. That is (in their eyes) as rural as it gets unfortunately. As rural as It gets, I live in Yermo CA, the population here is about 4200 and so We have maybe 2100 lines and then there's Barstow CA nearby they have a population of about 20,000 and maybe 10,000 lines, So rural can get pretty small and Yes We have DSL here. And We might be one of the communities in So Cal that Verizon wants to sell off and had no real intention of serving just so they could acquire the GTE wireless network. |
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kontos
xyzzy
join:2001-10-04
West Henrietta, NY
| reply to me1212
Re: It's called a "business opportunity"
So we agree that the private marketplace should be able to take care of this problem on its own (without gov't help)
'Course I wonder how much the potential for government intervention keeps private industry out of the marketplace.
It would really suck to spend your own money to build out a network just before some form of government aided broadband stimulus goes through. All of a sudden you could be competing with other business that got their start-up costs covered in one form or another. Ouch. |
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO
·VOIPo
| That would kinda suck, but some entrepreneurs will not wait for the Gov they will get it done. They see a way to make money, give the people there a much needed product, and make something of himself. And you would have no tie to the Gov, as far as start up is concerned.. Plus there is a chance that the one that did not get money from the Gov is the better WISP. The WISP I have treats is costumers almost like family. And if the WISP that did not get the Gov money dies in the end it was just not meant to be. Also competition is a good thing, maybe it will make the WISPs increase speed and or lower prices. |
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CookevilleDSL
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On a positive note, a city of 27k in tennessee now has 6mbit dsl, up from the 3mbit frontier used to offer. Its still 49.99/m compared to charter's 5mbit service which they offer in all of their locations for 29.99/m with a two year agreement that has a pro-rated $75 ETF. You can get 10mbit for the standard increase, I think its $10 more a month.
Frontier also offers citywide wifi access for 29.99/m if you don't have any other service with them. I've tested it to be 1.5mbit symmetrical. I don't think Frontier neglects rural customers as much as verizon. Bellsouth was pretty good too when they were around, slow to upgrade the rural areas but they at least offered something. |
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elray
join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
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| reply to iansltx
Re: It's called a "business opportunity"
said by iansltx :Grab some investors and make your own private entity. Might be doing that myself in a similar situation...town of 10k and TWC is the only decent broadband here. Verizon never bothered to roll out DSL since their lines are pretty screwy; a telephone company ~40 miles over put in a DSLAM awhile back but it can't service most of the town and speeds and prices are uncompetitive (1.5/512 for $50) unless you're a business within range. What he said, except the pricing. If there truly is demand for broadband in Podunk, then someone will roll up their sleeves and provide it. But the citizens of Podunk have to be willing to pay the fare. And that ain't $25 a month. Wisp service is going to start at $60-75/month for very basic speeds of 512kb, if it is to remain in business. Its not clear that rural folk are willing to commit to such rate plans.
If the ISP is expected to deliver rural service for $20/month, just because urban ILECs do, well, no one is going to bother, except the most civic-minded volunteer groups, and those are very hard to maintain. |
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kingofdsl
join:2002-12-11
Afton, OK | Disgusting - All Americans should be ashamed and outraged
We used to believe we can do better.
Now we accept sucking at everything. |
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jkeelsnc
join:2008-08-22
Boone, NC
| DSL, etc
Yeah, that is silly. Simpsonville and Woodruff are very close to Greenville. For that matter most towns the size of those places have DSL and cable. Charter is not so hot though.
Fortunately, NC has a few cities that have rolled out their own Muni fiber networks because the incumbents sat on their laurels for too long. Fortunately, the general assembly in NC has quelled any attempts by the telecoms and cable companies to prevent muni networks.
And as a reminder to the incumbents. The next time you guys try to slip another "bill" through the general assembly the same people including myself will be watching again and then writing our representatives again. We will not tolerate the duopoly telling cities what to do through legislation meant to protect the incumbents. |
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w4ncr
join:2000-10-27
| This is a prime example look at AT&T not upgrading network customers that are being served by IFITL other areas where being served by DSL being overcharged compared to non Bellsouth states by AT&T
»www.att.com/gen/general?pid=6431
»www.bellsouth.com/consumer/inets···dex.html |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
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| reply to elray
Re: It's called a "business opportunity"
It's not broadband, but 128/64 DSL is provided by the neighboring telephone co-op for $17.95 per month plus a phone line (maybe $15 for that), and they're highly rural.
20k in a town on the other hand is NOT rural. Granted, it may not be MDU city, but there are plenty of paying customers there.
Additionally, WISP service tends to be in the $40-$50 range for a low-end plan. Probably cheaper than non-triple-play cable internet in fact, albeit for MUCH slower speeds. The local WISP here has charged $41.95 per month for their basic service for several years now, even when they had decent quality, albeit on a 384/128 connection (but hey, you got a static IP, which is freaking awesome).
Bottom line: if your area is truly underserved, there is a market for an additional internet pipe. If there's no DSL in an area, only one cable company and no fiber, you're underserved and could probably make a buck off of people wanting better service.
elray, don't know where you got the $60-$75 number from. Even satellite internet starts off cheaper than that, so no WISP in their right mind catering to residences would decide not to parovide a $50 plan...if WIldBlue is cheaper by $10/mo than decent broadband, some people won't switch, and WISPs generally need all the customers they can get to try for economies of scale. |
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