KrK
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|  Assumptions....
"We assume slinging will be ok over 3G when AT&T ultimately releases an application that place shifts AT&T U-Verse content to iPhones using the exact same network."
You know what happens when you ASSUME.... 
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Morac
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1 edit | Stupid
AT&T's statement is just stupid for a number of reasons:
1. Bandwidth is bandwidth. It doesn't matter if you are streaming from Hulu or a Slingbox, especially since the Slingbox app is limits its stream to 500 kbps.
2. Other AT&T supported devices, like the BlackBerry, allow Slingbox to stream via 3G. Also ORB works on the iPhone via 3G.
3. The iPhone works on other networks besides AT&T's. AT&T shouldn't care what anyone does on other networks.
So basically AT&T seems to be discriminating specifically against the iPhone for some reason. I can't figure out why exactly though. Even if AT&T wanted to sell their own video service, that doesn't explain why they allow Sling on Blackberry's.
Note, I don't have an iPhone, I just think it's a dumb move on AT&T's part.
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Matt
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Re: Assumptions....
said by KrK  :"We assume slinging will be ok over 3G when AT&T ultimately releases an application that place shifts AT&T U-Verse content to iPhones using the exact same network."You know what happens when you ASSUME.... You know what though, I bet Karl's 100% right. I hate dragging out this term, but this is what Net Neutrality advocates need to stay focused on. If AT&T prohibits me from "slinging" my TV signal over 3G, but allows their U-Verse service to work over it, we have a huge problem. After all, I'm not even in an AT&T U-Verse (or DSL, or anything) service area and neither are millions of people.
I'll be interested to see how this plays out or if they change their tune when they migrate to LTE. |
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KrK
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| Absolutely, I agree... but I wouldn't go so far as assuming it will be so.... I'm betting someone will have to call them on it, and then they will have to face the fear of regulation, before they cave.
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LBDSL
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| What about a web based work around
I don't have a slingbox, nor know how it technically works, but would it be possible to develop a web based "player" Where a user goes to a website, and then able to enter in whatever info slingbox needs to connect to your home box, and then view via a browser. Which in at&t's own words would be allowed. Just a thought.
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Matt
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Re: Stupid
Well, to address your points:
1) You can't watch Hulu on an iPhone. There is supposedly an app in the works, but I am guessing it will be limited too. Of course, Fox/NBC have their weight to throw behind it. Sling doesn't have 1% of their clout or muscle.
2) You have a 100% valid point here. I'm guessing the amount of data usage for those users is low compared to the average iPhone users though. They likely have research somewhere that iPhone users would actually watch it. After all, TV/Video on a 1" screen is awful.
3) The iPhone isn't supposed to run on other networks. You have to unlock it, so this isn't even a consideration.
As to your final point, I agree. It's a dumb, dumb move for AT&T. |
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Morac
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Re: What about a web based work around
said by LBDSL :I don't have a slingbox, nor know how it technically works, but would it be possible to develop a web based "player" Where a user goes to a website, and then able to enter in whatever info slingbox needs to connect to your home box, and then view via a browser. Which in at&t's own words would be allowed. Just a thought. Sling already has a web based player. It utilizes Flash, but I don't know if it works on the iPhone.
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KrK
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Yes, I believe such options already exist. Although not officially supported by Slingbox, my understanding is you can use Windows Media Encoder, or other 3rd party apps, to do what you are suggesting--- ie sling content to a website when you can then access and view. One at a time.
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Matt
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said by LBDSL :I don't have a slingbox, nor know how it technically works, but would it be possible to develop a web based "player" Where a user goes to a website, and then able to enter in whatever info slingbox needs to connect to your home box, and then view via a browser. Which in at&t's own words would be allowed. Just a thought. You would have to transcode the video in real-time, which requires a fairly powerful CPU and typically results in awful quality. The iPhone doesn't support any popular streaming formats. Just a bunch of Apple proprietary crap and h.264 MP4, which is god-awfully taxing to transcode. |
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LBDSL
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That would be the problem then, iPhone doesn't support flash.
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|  A new form of virus.
 AT&T has created a new disease to disappoint their customers. Customers that have just paid big bucks for an iPhoney. They are now finding that the control voice at AT&T is limiting how they can use their new iPhoney.
The name of the new disease by the way is the iPhoney Sling Box Pox. |
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jhboricua
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| Maybe they should worry more about their moldy fridges
Yuck! 7 hospitalized after office fridge cleanup
SAN JOSE, Calif. - An office worker cleaning a fridge full of rotten food created a smell so noxious that it sent seven co-workers to the hospital and made many others ill.
Firefighters had to evacuate the AT&T building in downtown San Jose on Tuesday after the fumes led someone to call 911. A hazmat team was called in.
What crews found was an unplugged refrigerator crammed with moldy food.
Authorities say an enterprising office worker had decided to clean it out, placing the food in a conference room while using two cleaning chemicals to scrub down the mess.
The mixture of old lunches and disinfectant caused 28 people to need treatment for vomiting and nausea.
Authorities say the worker who cleaned the fridge didn't need treatment — she can't smell because of allergies.
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Morac
join:2001-08-30
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1 edit | reply to Matt
Re: Stupid
1) I didn't know you can't watch Hulu since I don't have an iPhone. I do know you can watch YouTube, so I'll substitute YouTube for Hulu. I've read that Flash support is coming to the iPhone so when that happens, I'm guessing Hulu will work as well.
3) Not in the U.S., but in other countries AT&T isn't used.
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Morac
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Re: What about a web based work around
said by LBDSL :That would be the problem then, iPhone doesn't support flash. Not yet. |
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Matt
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Re: Stupid
said by Morac :1) I didn't know you can't watch Hulu since I don't have an iPhone. I do know you can watch YouTube, so I'll substitute YouTube for Hulu. I've read that Flash support is coming to the iPhone so when that happens, I'm guessing Hulu will work as well. You have to watch YouTube through an application and yes, Flash has been "coming" to the iPhone since version 1.0. I'm not holding my breath. 
Also, don't be surprised if Hulu switches to Silverlight ... |
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tiger72
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said by Morac :AT&T's statement is just stupid for a number of reasons: 1. Bandwidth is bandwidth. It doesn't matter if you are streaming from Hulu or a Slingbox, especially since the Slingbox app is limits its stream to 500 kbps. 2. Other AT&T supported devices, like the BlackBerry, allow Slingbox to stream via 3G. Also ORB works on the iPhone via 3G. 3. The iPhone works on other networks besides AT&T's. AT&T shouldn't care what anyone does on other networks. So basically AT&T seems to be discriminating specifically against the iPhone for some reason. I can't figure out why exactly though. Even if AT&T wanted to sell their own video service, that doesn't explain why they allow Sling on Blackberry's. Note, I don't have an iPhone, I just think it's a dumb move on AT&T's part. They're not discriminating against the iphone. They're discriminating against slingbox. Unlike ORB, Slingbox is basically plug-and-play, so it's far more likely to get used by a wider audience than ORB does.
ATT's 3g network is already strained. Adding more load to it for something high demand like streaming TV isn't in their interests. Especially since people would notice how oversaturated ATT's network is and call in to complain.
ATT sells TV services, and they're working on their own video system that would work with uverse to compete with slingbox. Has nothing to do with the iphone. If the blackberry app store had a slingbox app, they'd not allow that over 3g either.
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atuarre
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Re: Maybe they should worry more about their moldy fridges
Don't blame AT&T, blame the nasty employees who left the food in the refrigerator. |
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atuarre
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These same people complaining about the Slingbox App would be the same people complaining if everyone was using the app, and the network grinded to a halt because of it. i find it interesting that people cannot make an attempt to fix their own country and the corrupt officials in power, and the bleeding of jobs in the economy, but they are more concerned about an iPhone app. That is when you know some peoples priorities are really skewed. |
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Morac
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Re: Stupid
said by tiger72 :They're not discriminating against the iphone. ... If the blackberry app store had a slingbox app, they'd not allow that over 3g either. There is a blackberry Sling app and it does support 3G. My brother has a BlackBerry Bold and it works on his phone. So AT&T is definitely discriminating against the iPhone here. My only guess as to why is that the iPhone is more popular and that AT&T has more leverage over Apple than Blackberry. |
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Matt
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| said by Morac :said by tiger72 :They're not discriminating against the iphone. ... If the blackberry app store had a slingbox app, they'd not allow that over 3g either. There is a blackberry Sling app and it does support 3G. My brother has a BlackBerry Bold and it works on his phone. So AT&T is definitely discriminating against the iPhone here. My only guess as to why is that the iPhone is more popular and that AT&T has more leverage over Apple than Blackberry. I'm also guessing that not as many BB users would care to watch video on a 1.5" screen at a crappy resolution. Most BB users are business-types also who don't care for such things. |
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