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Comments on news posted 2009-05-12 11:26:04: Last month, the four founders of popular BitTorrent portal Pirate Bay were found guilty of enabling copyright infringement in Sweden, each of them sentenced to a year in prison and a $905,000 fine each they say they won't pay. ..


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This is kind of lame. I'm all for the Pirate Bay, but I think they should focus on their appeal.

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Who said anything this is about Pirate Bay? The news title says Pirate Pay.

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Who said anything this is about Pirate Bay? The news title says Pirate Pay.
Not anymore it doesn't
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Maybe GLAD should be implicated in America's war on drugs too, since so much weed is stored, transported, and sold in their plastic bags.

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Maybe GLAD should be implicated in America's war on drugs too, since so much weed is stored, transported, and sold in their plastic bags.
You would have a point if the primary purpose of the product was to promote illegal drug use....but it isn't, so you don't.

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The primary idea of TPB is to promote file sharing; which is what they do. They do not exercise control over content, just as glad doesnt tell me what I can and cant put in my baggie

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The primary idea of TPB is to promote file sharing; which is what they do. They do not exercise control over content, just as glad doesnt tell me what I can and cant put in my baggie
But the have that ability, unlike GLAD. They can easily control content, but CHOOSE not to.

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They can easily control content, but CHOOSE not to.
Nonsense. They cannot control the content of the torrents without downloading and verifying them all personally first---- not only impossible, but illegal as well.

This is like saying "Google can control all the content their search engine provides." Sure, they can attempt to block content via certain filters, but it no way could they ever block all of it.
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They can easily control content, but CHOOSE not to.
Nonsense. They cannot control the content of the torrents without downloading and verifying them all personally first---- not only impossible, but illegal as well.

This is like saying "Google can control all the content their search engine provides." Sure, they can attempt to block content via certain filters, but it no way could they ever block all of it.
They can ABSOLUTELY attempt to control the content that is uploaded to their site. A torrent download named " X-Men.Origins.Wolverine.REAL.PROPER.DVD.WORKPRINT.XviD-iLG wwwzi" is NOT going to be legitimate, public use content. To believe so is a blatant display or ignorance.

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Oh... so if I were to upload say.... Adobe CS3, but name the torrent "Ubuntu 9.04 Alternate.iso, it'd be Kosher with you? I see how this works now.....=\

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It would cause complete and utter confusion. No one would want to thumb through all of the torrents to find the 'real' content that they are looking for.

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It would also require authorities/ TPB to actually download all torrents to find out their ACTUAL content. This would be complex, time-consuming, and definitely, as others have put it, illegal.

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They can ABSOLUTELY attempt to control the content that is uploaded to their site.
Sigh. Here we go again. Nothing is uploaded to their site. The torrent tracker software is automatic search engine and data miner. No way they could successfully judge what's legal and what's not. Even with filters, they'd only catch part of it and screw up their functionality.
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They can ABSOLUTELY attempt to control the content that is uploaded to their site.
Sigh. Here we go again. Nothing is uploaded to their site. The torrent tracker software is automatic search engine and data miner. No way they could successfully judge what's legal and what's not. Even with filters, they'd only catch part of it and screw up their functionality.
Are you saying that TBP does not host trackers that point to copyrighted material? How exactly does that file get posted to TPB? AGAIN, their sole existence is to facilitate pirating IP. AGAIN, look at their Top 100 list and find ONE legitimate GNU/Public torrent.

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Are you saying that TBP does not host trackers that point to copyrighted material?
They host trackers that point to torrents. Nobody uploads them, they are gathered automatically. It has not been required under any law yet to verify that any search or tracker you point to is not copyrighted, although that may soon change.... and would be unworkable.

Their sole existence is to allow bit torrent users to find files and data they are looking for. The USER determines what they provide or download from the torrent network, not TPB.
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said by manfmmd See Profile :

Are you saying that TBP does not host trackers that point to copyrighted material?
They host trackers that point to torrents. Nobody uploads them, they are gathered automatically. It has not been required under any law yet to verify that any search or tracker you point to is not copyrighted, although that may soon change.... and would be unworkable.

Their sole existence is to allow bit torrent users to find files and data they are looking for. The USER determines what they provide or download from the torrent network, not TPB.
So TPB doesn't have the ability to de-list trackers? I think not. They choose to host these trackers. They choose to ignore take down requests. They must now live with these 'choices'.

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You're deliberately being obtuse. Sure, could they manually de-list a tracker. Yes. They could even apply filters to do so, which would also be inaccurate, and filter unintended trackers, but so what.

The point being is why should they bother, they aren't required to do so (well under previous law, anyway) nor do they care to spend the manpower and money to do so. (Unworkable.)
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You're deliberately being obtuse. Sure, could they manually de-list a tracker. Yes. They could even apply filters to do so, which would also be inaccurate, and filter unintended trackers, but so what.

The point being is why should they bother, they aren't required to do so (well under previous law, anyway) nor do they care to spend the manpower and money to do so. (Unworkable.)
But they care enough to move their servers into strategic datacenters that are, so far, untouchable. They care enough to willingly accept 'donations'...hmmmm.

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But they care enough to move their servers into strategic datacenters that are, so far, untouchable. They care enough to willingly accept 'donations'...hmmmm.
Just to fill the home audience in,
do you have an interest in upholding laws and ethics in general, or just the ones that benefit the entertainment industries?

Please indicate by either disavowing or ignoring the improprieties by anti-tPB interests.

Anyway,

tPB moved their servers because their other servers were confiscated by order of a certain judge who happened to be a member of Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO); a group that is funded by the folks who oppose tPB.

By bizarre coincidence, he is the same judge who presided over the most recent anti-tPB case.

WHAT are the odds?

This judge Tomas Norström belongs to...

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Swedish Association of Copyright (SFU) - The judge Tomas Norström is a member of this discussion forum that holds seminars, debates and releases the Nordic Intellectual Property Law Review. Other members of this outfit? Henrik Pontén (Swedish Anti-Piracy Bureau), Monique Wadsted (movie industry lawyer) and Peter Danowsky (IFPI) - the latter is also a member of the board of the association.

Swedish Association for the Protection of Industrial Property (SFIR) - The judge Tomas Norström sits on the board of this association that works for stronger copyright laws. Last year they held the Nordic Championships in Intellectual Property Rights Process Strategies.

.SE (The Internet Infrastructure Foundation) - Tomas Norström works for the foundation that oversees the .se name domain and advises on domain name disputes. His colleague at the foundation? Monique Wadsted. Wadsted says she's never met Norström although they have worked together.
Monique Wadsted was the attorney representing Warner Bros., MGM, Columbia Pictures, 20th Century Fox, Mars Media, Blizzard Entertainment, Sierra Entertainment and Activision Publishing against tPB.

(She also represented the Scientology movement in their copyright case against Zenon Panoussis.)

It seems to me that Judge Tomas Norström had the same power to recuse himself from the case that tPB had to filter torrents.

We'll all just hang out here and wait for your passion against this highly unethical bit of jurisprudence.

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TPB 4 are brazen criminals that deserve prison

Just more proof that the Pirate Bay Four are nothing but brazen criminals that deserve any justice meted out to them. If they ever end up in prison as they deserve, that is the day I will raise a beer celebrating their downfall.
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Just more proof that the Pirate Bay Four are nothing but brazen criminals that deserve any justice meted out to them. If they ever end up in prison as they deserve, that is the day I will raise a beer celebrating their downfall.
As someone who approves of protecting copyright, I agree with you. They do deserve punishment of some kind. It could be monetary or prison time, but they deserve something. I do believe it should be something thats fair to the market though.
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Aye, tis be a crime to point someone to a book and say, she be thar... go get matey.

That is all TPB was doing, showing someone WHERE the book was BUT did not participate in its downloading. Heavens to betsy, guess I'll go to jail for posting on a website the ISBN number of a book at your local library.

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Aye, tis be a crime to point someone to a book and say, she be thar... go get matey.

That is all TPB was doing, showing someone WHERE the book was BUT did not participate in its downloading. Heavens to betsy, guess I'll go to jail for posting on a website the ISBN number of a book at your local library.
Right. You sue the library, not the person that gave you directions to the library.
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Aye, tis be a crime to point someone to a book and say, she be thar... go get matey.

That is all TPB was doing, showing someone WHERE the book was BUT did not participate in its downloading. Heavens to betsy, guess I'll go to jail for posting on a website the ISBN number of a book at your local library.
Its still an offense. Its called being an accessory. I admit its a grey area offense, but its one the courts ruled on and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out its not right.

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said by Stumbles See Profile :

Aye, tis be a crime to point someone to a book and say, she be thar... go get matey.

That is all TPB was doing, showing someone WHERE the book was BUT did not participate in its downloading. Heavens to betsy, guess I'll go to jail for posting on a website the ISBN number of a book at your local library.
Its still an offense. Its called being an accessory. I admit its a grey area offense, but its one the courts ruled on and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out its not right.
The problem is that the corrupt judge allowed this accessory "crime" to be used when it was not part of the initial charges listed when the trial started.

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well then the industry should sue google also...

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well then the industry should sue google also...
Viacom is suing Google over this very problem.

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said by Nightfall See Profile :

said by Stumbles See Profile :

Aye, tis be a crime to point someone to a book and say, she be thar... go get matey.

That is all TPB was doing, showing someone WHERE the book was BUT did not participate in its downloading. Heavens to betsy, guess I'll go to jail for posting on a website the ISBN number of a book at your local library.
Its still an offense. Its called being an accessory. I admit its a grey area offense, but its one the courts ruled on and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out its not right.
Its an offence if your country's law says it IS an offence, in Sweden however it is not. Just like a guy in Nevada can screw a 14 year old and 100 miles more west in California he goes to prison for 20 years for doing the same thing. Think before you speak, laws are not the same everywhere. And before you come back with some super logic reply that they were found guilty, look by WHOM they were found guilty, a Judge who is on the payroll of the studios.

The Pirate Bay did nothing different than Google does. And if you don't believe me, go to Google and type in the search bar: "filetype:torrent Wolverine" (without the quotes) and see what happens. Google will point you right to the merchandise. Based on your specious argument Google is guilty of being an accessory to copy right infringement.

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Aye, tis be a crime to point someone to a book and say, she be thar...
Agree. This is a bullshit issue. The "yellow pages", published by your local telco, is rife with "escort Services" and "massage parlor" listings. All of which are pointers to prostitution. Is the phone book publisher guilty of prostitution? No!

What TPB is doing is no different. If let stand, this conviction would set a horrible precedent, and could stifle information of all kinds.

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Re: TPB 4 are brazen criminals that deserve prison

The entire reason for the conviction was that they sell merchandise on their website. Swedish law says you can not profit from sharing copyrighted files. The law didn't condemn the technology, it merely says if you are profiting from, encouraging or participating in copyright infringement you are breaking the law. The Pirate Bay says they were using the proceeds to support the site, the court thought otherwise.

That being said, it's a BS case. First, there was nothing inherently illegal about the site itself, even if you could find copyrighted content by using it. I can accomplish exactly the same thing using Google or Yahoo, but the **AA's haven't rushed to take legal action against either company (they tend to stick to people that don't have the resources to defend themselves). Second, the judge was wrong for not recusing himself from the case given his involvement with anti-piracy groups. Even if his ruling was not biased he should have recused himself to avoid any appearance of impropriety.

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How Long Can You Go Without Infringing On Copyright?

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How Long Can You Go Without Infringing On Copyright?

»www.techdirt.com/articles/200905···39.shtml
There's going to an extreme, then there that article... pfffft

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Just more proof that the Pirate Bay Four are nothing but brazen criminals that deserve any justice meted out to them. If they ever end up in prison as they deserve, that is the day I will raise a beer celebrating their downfall.
Like your tainted opinion means anything around here!

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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Just more proof that the Pirate Bay Four are nothing but brazen criminals that deserve any justice meted out to them. If they ever end up in prison as they deserve, that is the day I will raise a beer celebrating their downfall.
How do you figure? They host no copyrighted files on their site. They simply host links (no different then Google or any other search engine) to torrents allowing you to get content from a number of different people all over the world.

The entertainment industry is going after the wrong people.
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Just more proof that the Pirate Bay Four are nothing but brazen criminals that deserve any justice meted out to them. If they ever end up in prison as they deserve, that is the day I will raise a beer celebrating their downfall.
I have to agree. I fully supported them until a court of law found them guilty. Now they are simply acting as criminals -- and childish criminals at that. The issues around the judge need to be addressed, but if the defense knew about it pre-trial and didn't have a problem with it, that's their fault.

They need to act like grown-ups and face the fact that stunts like this HURT the cause they are championing and only provide fuel for the prosecution.

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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Just more proof that the Pirate Bay Four are nothing but brazen criminals that deserve any justice meted out to them. If they ever end up in prison as they deserve, that is the day I will raise a beer celebrating their downfall.
same holds true for google and yahoo employees SEND THEM ALL TO JAIL....

umm you do know you can get direct links to torrents using google and yahoo too...

oh and the appeal will be easy mode since they judge basically screwed over the proceedings

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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Just more proof that the Pirate Bay Four are nothing but brazen criminals that deserve any justice meted out to them. If they ever end up in prison as they deserve, that is the day I will raise a beer celebrating their downfall.
same holds true for google and yahoo employees SEND THEM ALL TO JAIL....

umm you do know you can get direct links to torrents using google and yahoo too...

oh and the appeal will be easy mode since they judge basically screwed over the proceedings
I believe Matt answered that line of reasoning here in his post:
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Just more proof that the Pirate Bay Four are nothing but brazen criminals that deserve any justice meted out to them. If they ever end up in prison as they deserve, that is the day I will raise a beer celebrating their downfall.
The 'Pirate Bay Four' how very dramatic.

I really fail to understand the hard-on you have for corporate interests being a private individual but I guess it's your prerogative.

Can I just take this opportunity to thank you for the endless entertainment you provide me on this site however. You remind me of how a few other countries including this one used to be and for all our faults I'm very grateful we alongside swathes of Europe left your rabid pro-corporate points of view behind many years ago

What do you care what happens to the 'Pirate Bay Four' and what on Earth are you talking about making it sound like they bombed something or killed children? Who really gives a crap what they've done to corporations, we've seen CD prices virtually half in the UK, in no small part thanks to the Internet, I would consider that a good thing though I imagine you spend your days obsessively watching your share values. How dare real human beings lower the value of your portfolio!

If you want to discuss numbers of people you might want to look into the history of the UK and the IRA attacks on the UK mainland. To imply some equality by referring to them as the 'Pirate Bay Four' is hilarious. Let's keep that kind of language for people the general public would actually find distasteful, rather than these guys who, apart from people like you, most find mildly amusing.

You have no humanity and demonstrate with virtually every post on here you're like a walking PR machine

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HAHA Great post!

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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Just more proof that the Pirate Bay Four are nothing but brazen criminals that deserve any justice meted out to them. If they ever end up in prison as they deserve, that is the day I will raise a beer celebrating their downfall.
The 'Pirate Bay Four' how very dramatic.

I really fail to understand the hard-on you have for corporate interests being a private individual but I guess it's your prerogative.

Can I just take this opportunity to thank you for the endless entertainment you provide me on this site however. You remind me of how a few other countries including this one used to be and for all our faults I'm very grateful we alongside swathes of Europe left your rabid pro-corporate points of view behind many years ago

What do you care what happens to the 'Pirate Bay Four' and what on Earth are you talking about making it sound like they bombed something or killed children? Who really gives a crap what they've done to corporations, we've seen CD prices virtually half in the UK, in no small part thanks to the Internet, I would consider that a good thing though I imagine you spend your days obsessively watching your share values. How dare real human beings lower the value of your portfolio!

If you want to discuss numbers of people you might want to look into the history of the UK and the IRA attacks on the UK mainland. To imply some equality by referring to them as the 'Pirate Bay Four' is hilarious. Let's keep that kind of language for people the general public would actually find distasteful, rather than these guys who, apart from people like you, most find mildly amusing.

You really have no humanity and demonstrate with virtually every post on here you're like a walking PR machine
He is just a greedy man hanging on to his "investments". There are a lot of those around here. Do not attribute to malice what could be attributed to.....

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If you don't like the system, change it. Don't criticize people that play the system by the rules that others have set. Plus the conviction of the operators of TPB hasn't been etched in stone yet.

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Just more proof that the Pirate Bay Four are nothing but brazen criminals....
So the phone company which publishes a Yellow Pages filled with pointers to prostitutes (Escort services and Massage parlors) is guilty of prostitution? Do you really believe there is a difference between that and what TPB is doing? I see NONE.

How about all the Internet sites promoting prostitution? Are they guilty of prostitution too?

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EDIT: Are TV Stations criminal when they run ads for known scams like Video Professor and EXTENZE?

If they know they are scams and then knowingly run them anyway, then yes they should be criminally responsible.
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How about all the Internet sites promoting prostitution?

Are they guilty of prostitution too?

What about if those internet sites are housed and operated in a country where prostitution is legal?

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I don't see anything illegal about anything they propose or do. There's no law saying "You can't send a company money".

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This reminds me of.....

I remember when I was a student in college back in 1991. There was a friend of mine who got a parking ticket. He put his flashers on to run in and drop a paper off. He was in there for 5 minutes tops. Anyway, he took that parking ticket down to the city to pay it. It was $25 at the time.

Instead of paying in cash, he got $25.25 in pennies. He unrolled them all and put them in a couple bags and dropped them off at the counter with his check. The attendant wanted him to count it, but he said that wasn't his job. That was the job of the person collecting the money.

After that incident, they had a sign put up saying that pennies were not accepted as payment for parking. I know smart ass students that used nickels too, but thats besides the point.

The pirate bay is going to be around for many years to come. This latest stunt is just that....a stunt.
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Beyond lame

No one should go to prison for pointing at an open bank vault.

The people that need to go to prison are the RIAA and MPAA racketeers regularly engaging in extortion, bribery, abuse of process, vexatious litigation and collusion. And the politicians who took their money while voting for laws that favored this industry should face life imprisonment as well. Corporate collusionists like the RIAA, MPAA along with their political whores are why government is beyond broken.

If I walked into my congressman's office with money in my hand in exchange for favors I'd go to jail but for these asswipes, it's a "contribution" and these businesses are permitted to commit felonies on a daily basis.

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Hilarious..

It's a bit lame, but still hilarious.

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Re: Hilarious..

Seems to me like a classic case of, "don't get mad, get even!"

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Owe them thanks

Slightly off topic but let me say this... we owe something to people like Pirate Bay. They helped the recording industry do the right thing and move forward from the stone age. Notice that almost all companies have now drop the terrible DRM protection? Copyrighted music is one thing but copy PROTECTION on music is (should have been) a thing of the distant past. It serves NO PURPOSE at this time and only hinders the fair use of music and penalizes people who have paid for the use of that music.

Companies like Pirate Bay have FORCED the record industry to make downloaded music easy to use. This is a GOOD thing... and let there be no mistake... the record companies would have NEVER done this if it were not for the easy to get pirated files.
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Re: Owe them thanks

But the industry doesn't want FAIR USE, they want you buy a CD or DVD for your Car, your cottage, your home stereos etc.

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Time to move?

They just need to move the site to a country that's outside the reach of US/EU laws

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said by Anonymous See Profile :

They just need to move the site to a country that's outside the reach of US/EU laws
Where do you suppose that would be? You would also have to make sure there is facilities and bandwidth in said country to make sure a busy site like the pirate bay can stay on reliably and be reachable to the rest of the world.
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Re: Time to move?

Eastern Europe?

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Re: Time to move?

Or maybe Antigua, home to Slysoft and other companies that make products that are in violation of the DMCA.

Even more so than Sweden, Antigua openly flauts US copyright laws.
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the pirate bay

They should take the punishment that the judge passed .. hands down... if they dont agree with it, appeal .. witch they have .. if they dont agree with the secound verditic appeal again .. they have the public support

but childish games wont land them anywhare .. regarlees of the judge ..

the proper mode of attach would of been to take the website offline .. after the charge/convition/apeal
and challanged it

the record industry has a right to protect the monoply they have created .. but its the write of the people to freedom of information ...

that being said .. if they took there site down during the appeal .. they likly would of won .. or got a slap on the wrist .. but they chose to ingore everthing .. and start playing childish games that will hurt everyone in the end

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misleading headline

While if found this news interesting. It has nothing to do with a Distributed Denial of Service Attack
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I Dunno...

...but I don't see anything immature in TPB's payment plan. They're following the letter of the law and they're doing so according to the financial institutions policies.

What I don't get are the folks here who scream "They should obey the law and act according to the rules of society!!" and when TPB does that the same folks respond "They're not obeying the law the RIGHT way!! They have no business trying to hurt the folks who hurt them!!"

Seems pretty straightforward to me: the court said pay the fine to the plaintiff. The plaintiff voluntarily accepts payment in a way that could be detrimental to them. TPB chose to pay according to those terms.

The plaintiff and their financial representatives will almost certainly close this loophole, but until they do it strikes me as a self-inflicted wound. Their lawsuit won them money, it didn't win them respect or fairness (two things the RIAA has no understanding of).

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Re: contribution

So we don't even get your .02 worth. Cheapskate.
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So much for The Pirate Bay not being criminals.

The Pirate Bay named their site that name, had large numbers of pirated goods and knew about it, and when punished, attacked with a highly illegal DDOS.

People congratulate them for 'standing up for your freedom', no matter what illegal thing they do.

Whats next criminals? You going to congratulate TPB when they kill the swedish judge?

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Bring 'em to America

and put 'em on an American jail for one year.
I promise these guys will never ever infringe any law.

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Re: Bring 'em to America

Yeah, because prison is so good at setting people on the straight and narrow.

Why don't you Google "recidivism" and then let us know how well that's been working out.

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and put 'em on an American jail for one year.
I promise these guys will never ever infringe any law.
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Re: Bring 'em to America

I have no sympathy for the recording industry. They're a bunch of antiquated giants trying desperately to keep their absurd marketing scheme relevant. The internet is all the PR any talented artist needs in this age and a good publicist. I also don't see why artists should only get pennies per album sale while the recording label profits the most heavily to support the talentless CEO's and marketers. Of course movies are a bit different. I'll gladly be sending in $0.13 as my part.

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screw the music industry

Remember when a struggling band would work hard, tour extensively, and build up a following? Then they would get a record deal, and if the record sucked, they wouldn't get to make another. Nowadays, you show up on a reality show, do absolutely no work, sing someone else's songs and get shoved down the throats of the sheep. You become a superstar long before you've even seen a recording studio, so therefore it's impossible for your record to suck, even though it does. These shysters have been ripping us off, I'm glad they're getting a little payback. Go See Live Music....

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Wrong plan

If RIAA wanted to stop pirated music it is easy enough. Fine the people who put the original copyrighted music/movie/video on the Internet and shut down their Internet connnection. You cannot shut down open source material. If it means blocking an ISP or a domain temporarily thats too bad.
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Pirate pursuing lawyers get DDo$ money transfer slap

P2P-ers furious over the Pirate Bay case are being asked to get back at lawyers for the entertainment industry via the counter-intuitive route of ostensibly giving them money.

By sending very small amounts of money of 1SEK ($0.13) to Danowsky & Partners, who brought the prosecution, through the Swedish web-based payment service internet-avgift, the ruse could make lawyers lose out after fees for the transaction are taken into account. The cunning so-called Distributed Denial of Dollars attack (DDo$) is apparently the brainchild of Pirate Bay founder Gottfrid Svartholm.
More >
»www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/12···os_ploy/
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What is the difference...

I buy a dvd or cd.... I give it to a friend to view or listen to. Is this not basically the same thing as allowing this friend to dl from my pc? Why can I resell this disc to a used cd/dvd store?

I buy a book... I let a friend read it... or sell them at a yard sale.

What is the difference? And why are libraries exempt, when you can borrow a movie or cd, or software, and copy it at home. Aren't libraries facilitators of pirating?
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